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Nicely done, MK! Hayford Peirce 21:15, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I'm far from crazy about the article title, and would change it to John Gardner (Bond author) if the text didn't make it clear the author would be uncomfortable with that designation. But his preference is not relevant; what is relevant is whether he has succeeded in making at least as much of a name for himself in his non-Bond writing. I
I don't know whether i'm typical or not. I'm sure the author or the article is not typical, and unless there are people who could not have written the article but find "(creator of Boysie Oakes)" a useful means of dab, it's a bad title.
I assume the editor chose to append a dab qualifier to the Brit rather than the Yank bcz of the Brit's lesser serious-author rep. I'm not sure whether the Yank's serious rep is greater than the Brit's pop-culture (Bond) one. Might
John Gardner (Grendel) be the best means of dab?
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Jerzy
(t) 13:09, 2004 Sep 16 (UTC)
Gosh, i managed to be obscure, i think. The answer is "Yes, they are different people"; hence in the reference to Grendel, i was trying to imply the possibility of the Brit becoming just
John Gardner, and the Yank becoming
John Gardner (Grendel), since he is the author of
Grendel, a novel retelling
Beowulf from the PoV of the monster.
I don't claim, either, to be an average reader; i don't think Gardner's Grendel is that widely read (i.e., my doing so probably makes me odd), and i had frequent occasion for a while to walk past a display of Gardner's Bond tales (i.e., paying atttention in doing so probably makes me odd).
In any case, i'm not looking for any quick resolution, but rather just wanted to get the question down where others could put in their oar as appropriate.
Tnx --
Jerzy
(t) 07:42, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)
Looks to me as if you've done a great job on the switcheroo and all the links! It's definitely an improvement....
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This is a contentious point. The Orion 2011 edition of Licence Renewed says on the back flap that Glidrose hired Gardner in 1981. This clearly isn't so. In a piece Gardner himself wrote he says 1980: In 1980, while I was living in Ireland I received a challenge out of the blue. Would I be prepared to write a James Bond continuation novel? Glidrose, the literary copyright holders in Ian Fleming approached me... [1]. Elsewhere Gardner narrows it down to Autumn 1980: In the Autumn of 1980... [2]. This is demonstrably untrue. In October 1980, Gardner gave a syndicated interview printed in newspapers worldwide. He said that he had already finished writing the book (Meltdown) [3]. Gardner has consistently said over the years that he was approached in the autumn. If true – and he hasn't confused autumn and spring, then it must have been autumn 1979. I do remember interviews he gave in 1981 to the London Times – no link unfortunately – where he said the Fleming estate approached him in 1979. There is also this link, though I concede it's not a reliable source on its own: In 1979, Gardner, living in Ireland, received a letter from well-known crime reviewer and author HRF Keating, asking him if he would be interested in picking up where Ian Fleming had left off and continuing with the James Bond series. Supplying Glidrose with four narrative outlines, one was chosen. More reliable is the Twentieth-Century Crime and Mystery Writers ed. Lesley Henderson. Chicago and London: St. James Press. 1991 (third edition); it says on p.418, In 1979 Gardner was chosen from a secret short-list of six to continue Ian Fleming's James Bond saga[.] -- Fanthrillers ( talk) 00:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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He collapsed while shopping in Basingstoke; he was later casually driven to hospital, where he died.
Not only does it need a citation, which has already been called for, but it needs stating in better English. To me (British English) 'casually driven' suggests he was taken to hospital in a way not recommended by medical advice, or that he was taken in a sloppily crewed ambulance. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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Nicely done, MK! Hayford Peirce 21:15, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I'm far from crazy about the article title, and would change it to John Gardner (Bond author) if the text didn't make it clear the author would be uncomfortable with that designation. But his preference is not relevant; what is relevant is whether he has succeeded in making at least as much of a name for himself in his non-Bond writing. I
I don't know whether i'm typical or not. I'm sure the author or the article is not typical, and unless there are people who could not have written the article but find "(creator of Boysie Oakes)" a useful means of dab, it's a bad title.
I assume the editor chose to append a dab qualifier to the Brit rather than the Yank bcz of the Brit's lesser serious-author rep. I'm not sure whether the Yank's serious rep is greater than the Brit's pop-culture (Bond) one. Might
John Gardner (Grendel) be the best means of dab?
--
Jerzy
(t) 13:09, 2004 Sep 16 (UTC)
Gosh, i managed to be obscure, i think. The answer is "Yes, they are different people"; hence in the reference to Grendel, i was trying to imply the possibility of the Brit becoming just
John Gardner, and the Yank becoming
John Gardner (Grendel), since he is the author of
Grendel, a novel retelling
Beowulf from the PoV of the monster.
I don't claim, either, to be an average reader; i don't think Gardner's Grendel is that widely read (i.e., my doing so probably makes me odd), and i had frequent occasion for a while to walk past a display of Gardner's Bond tales (i.e., paying atttention in doing so probably makes me odd).
In any case, i'm not looking for any quick resolution, but rather just wanted to get the question down where others could put in their oar as appropriate.
Tnx --
Jerzy
(t) 07:42, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)
Looks to me as if you've done a great job on the switcheroo and all the links! It's definitely an improvement....
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This is a contentious point. The Orion 2011 edition of Licence Renewed says on the back flap that Glidrose hired Gardner in 1981. This clearly isn't so. In a piece Gardner himself wrote he says 1980: In 1980, while I was living in Ireland I received a challenge out of the blue. Would I be prepared to write a James Bond continuation novel? Glidrose, the literary copyright holders in Ian Fleming approached me... [1]. Elsewhere Gardner narrows it down to Autumn 1980: In the Autumn of 1980... [2]. This is demonstrably untrue. In October 1980, Gardner gave a syndicated interview printed in newspapers worldwide. He said that he had already finished writing the book (Meltdown) [3]. Gardner has consistently said over the years that he was approached in the autumn. If true – and he hasn't confused autumn and spring, then it must have been autumn 1979. I do remember interviews he gave in 1981 to the London Times – no link unfortunately – where he said the Fleming estate approached him in 1979. There is also this link, though I concede it's not a reliable source on its own: In 1979, Gardner, living in Ireland, received a letter from well-known crime reviewer and author HRF Keating, asking him if he would be interested in picking up where Ian Fleming had left off and continuing with the James Bond series. Supplying Glidrose with four narrative outlines, one was chosen. More reliable is the Twentieth-Century Crime and Mystery Writers ed. Lesley Henderson. Chicago and London: St. James Press. 1991 (third edition); it says on p.418, In 1979 Gardner was chosen from a secret short-list of six to continue Ian Fleming's James Bond saga[.] -- Fanthrillers ( talk) 00:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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He collapsed while shopping in Basingstoke; he was later casually driven to hospital, where he died.
Not only does it need a citation, which has already been called for, but it needs stating in better English. To me (British English) 'casually driven' suggests he was taken to hospital in a way not recommended by medical advice, or that he was taken in a sloppily crewed ambulance. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)