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From the article: "His books were written in Latin, in a simple, direct style."
That sentence surprised me. The reason I came to this article is that Reginald Foster once identified Cassianus as the most difficult Latin author he's read. Does anyone have any sources or resources about his style? I'd love a citation one way or the other. 2602:304:B094:D520:E982:BE73:11DF:960B ( talk) 16:40, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
The article as it now stands is fawning and overplays his importance. Hackwrench 03:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Given no response or much interest, I'm removing the NPOV. -- 131.146.33.206 14:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Merged article Johannes Eremita Cassianus into this one, and changed links to that old article. -- Marcusscotus1 21:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
The section, "The Spirituality of John Cassian" needs to be completely rewritten to remove the religious overtones of the original writer, such as "a period when the soul of the monk and the Spirit of God bonded together ". Clearly "was believed to" is needed in that sentence.
The article states that Cassian was a Universalist. That is disputable, and the article needs to be edited so that it indicates where this opinion comes from, and that it is not universally accepted. -- Marcusscotus1 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 06:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Cassian the Ascetic is about the same person as the subject of this article. This article ( John Cassian) has more information. The duplication has been noticed on the talk page of the other article, but apparently nothing was done about it. 152.65.133.89 ( talk) 17:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I notice that the article consistently refers to Cassian using both names, whereas books I'm familiar with refer to him simply as Cassian. Is there a reason why we need to add "John" every time we use his name? Just curious. Thanks, Aristophanes68 ( talk) 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I perceive this as improper use of terminology, mainly because there is no such thing as "Egyptian monasticism". Monasticism has always been defined by associated religion, and never through country or region of land. But also because the history of Monasticism itself has nothing to do with the ancient Egyptian empire of pharaohs, which is what the term may suggest to some readers. 76.90.115.62 ( talk) 20:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
The sections entitled Doctrinal controversy and Alleged Seimpelagianism are highly redundant, and the article would probably benefit from merging them. I came to learn, so lack the knowledge to do it. 68.163.225.17 ( talk) 03:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Is John Cassian's feast day in the Episcopal church USA really February 29? Calendar_of_saints_(Episcopal_Church) says it is July 23, and this page does too: https://www.lectionarypage.net/LesserFF/Jul/Cassian.html 121.121.60.25 ( talk) 05:21, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
We're having a dispute over exactly what nationality John Cassian should be listed. For now I've placed him in a container cat for the duration of the discussion. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 00:28, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Whiteguru ( talk) 23:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
To bring others into the discussion, I am copying here a conversation on my Talk page:
If he's not French, then what would you prefer? I just finished diffusing the category. He's not going to stay without a nationality. Given that he spent significant time ministering in Marseilles, that is why I chose French to drop him in. Plus the fact that he is part of the 'French Wikiproject'. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 07:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the closest characterization that would fit him would be this, and even that does not fit, given that he was far, far from French, not in any way Greek, etc. He was "sent" to what became France later, he was not from there, etc. He is as French as Chris Columbus (who has a feast in NY city) was American. All you could say is "eastern European" at best. History2007 ( talk) 20:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
1.
1.
1.
Those are your options. Pick one, two or all three if you want. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 15:46, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/icons/Icons-Cassian-Roman.htm
Here are some good shots of his Icons and the Monastery in Marseilles. Do note that he's considered the Father of the Gaul Monasteries. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 15:54, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry Benkenobi18 but I think you are far off the track.
I don't see a strong need to label him with a "nationality" but, if we have to have such a label, I vote for "Roman" or "Scythian". I vote strenuously against "French", "Greek" or "Egyptian".
-- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 04:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
== Moving to newly created, "Latin Roman Catholic saints". Should solve all the problems. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 18:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
With regard to Casssian, show cause how or why his nationality is relevant to reception of his spiritual teachings today. Else, the RFC is pointless. Whiteguru ( talk) 23:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
And Esoglou's contention that John Cassian was a Italian Roman Catholic Saint was also supported by no editors. Hence there is no consensus. John Cassian's notability is tied to the fact that he founded an order in what is now Marseilles, France. He had a cult develop there, and was venerated by the French people of Marseilles. His cult is why he is considered to be a Saint, and why he has an article here on the Wikipedia. Ergo, yes, he is a French saint because the French honour him. He is considered relevant to the French wikiproject here at the top of the page. Ergo, he should be tagged a French saint, because he is honoured by the French.
Does anyone, including you, contest any of these facts Esoglou? The complaint is not that he has the wrong nationality, but that he has a nationality at all. That's like being asked the question, "why is the sky blue", and being told that "no, it's actually Orange". Benkenobi18 ( talk) 04:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
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From the article: "His books were written in Latin, in a simple, direct style."
That sentence surprised me. The reason I came to this article is that Reginald Foster once identified Cassianus as the most difficult Latin author he's read. Does anyone have any sources or resources about his style? I'd love a citation one way or the other. 2602:304:B094:D520:E982:BE73:11DF:960B ( talk) 16:40, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
The article as it now stands is fawning and overplays his importance. Hackwrench 03:36, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Given no response or much interest, I'm removing the NPOV. -- 131.146.33.206 14:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Merged article Johannes Eremita Cassianus into this one, and changed links to that old article. -- Marcusscotus1 21:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
The section, "The Spirituality of John Cassian" needs to be completely rewritten to remove the religious overtones of the original writer, such as "a period when the soul of the monk and the Spirit of God bonded together ". Clearly "was believed to" is needed in that sentence.
The article states that Cassian was a Universalist. That is disputable, and the article needs to be edited so that it indicates where this opinion comes from, and that it is not universally accepted. -- Marcusscotus1 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 06:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Cassian the Ascetic is about the same person as the subject of this article. This article ( John Cassian) has more information. The duplication has been noticed on the talk page of the other article, but apparently nothing was done about it. 152.65.133.89 ( talk) 17:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I notice that the article consistently refers to Cassian using both names, whereas books I'm familiar with refer to him simply as Cassian. Is there a reason why we need to add "John" every time we use his name? Just curious. Thanks, Aristophanes68 ( talk) 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I perceive this as improper use of terminology, mainly because there is no such thing as "Egyptian monasticism". Monasticism has always been defined by associated religion, and never through country or region of land. But also because the history of Monasticism itself has nothing to do with the ancient Egyptian empire of pharaohs, which is what the term may suggest to some readers. 76.90.115.62 ( talk) 20:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
The sections entitled Doctrinal controversy and Alleged Seimpelagianism are highly redundant, and the article would probably benefit from merging them. I came to learn, so lack the knowledge to do it. 68.163.225.17 ( talk) 03:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Is John Cassian's feast day in the Episcopal church USA really February 29? Calendar_of_saints_(Episcopal_Church) says it is July 23, and this page does too: https://www.lectionarypage.net/LesserFF/Jul/Cassian.html 121.121.60.25 ( talk) 05:21, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
We're having a dispute over exactly what nationality John Cassian should be listed. For now I've placed him in a container cat for the duration of the discussion. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 00:28, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Whiteguru ( talk) 23:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
To bring others into the discussion, I am copying here a conversation on my Talk page:
If he's not French, then what would you prefer? I just finished diffusing the category. He's not going to stay without a nationality. Given that he spent significant time ministering in Marseilles, that is why I chose French to drop him in. Plus the fact that he is part of the 'French Wikiproject'. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 07:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the closest characterization that would fit him would be this, and even that does not fit, given that he was far, far from French, not in any way Greek, etc. He was "sent" to what became France later, he was not from there, etc. He is as French as Chris Columbus (who has a feast in NY city) was American. All you could say is "eastern European" at best. History2007 ( talk) 20:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
1.
1.
1.
Those are your options. Pick one, two or all three if you want. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 15:46, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/icons/Icons-Cassian-Roman.htm
Here are some good shots of his Icons and the Monastery in Marseilles. Do note that he's considered the Father of the Gaul Monasteries. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 15:54, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry Benkenobi18 but I think you are far off the track.
I don't see a strong need to label him with a "nationality" but, if we have to have such a label, I vote for "Roman" or "Scythian". I vote strenuously against "French", "Greek" or "Egyptian".
-- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 04:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
== Moving to newly created, "Latin Roman Catholic saints". Should solve all the problems. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 18:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
With regard to Casssian, show cause how or why his nationality is relevant to reception of his spiritual teachings today. Else, the RFC is pointless. Whiteguru ( talk) 23:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
And Esoglou's contention that John Cassian was a Italian Roman Catholic Saint was also supported by no editors. Hence there is no consensus. John Cassian's notability is tied to the fact that he founded an order in what is now Marseilles, France. He had a cult develop there, and was venerated by the French people of Marseilles. His cult is why he is considered to be a Saint, and why he has an article here on the Wikipedia. Ergo, yes, he is a French saint because the French honour him. He is considered relevant to the French wikiproject here at the top of the page. Ergo, he should be tagged a French saint, because he is honoured by the French.
Does anyone, including you, contest any of these facts Esoglou? The complaint is not that he has the wrong nationality, but that he has a nationality at all. That's like being asked the question, "why is the sky blue", and being told that "no, it's actually Orange". Benkenobi18 ( talk) 04:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
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