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The article ought to clarify what were Carroll's relations with the new Revolutionary government under Washington, and how he used those relations to get himself to the post of top American clergyman. And too, it must be specified the motives of Bishop Briand for his excommunication, which some have alleged were related to some prohibited or controversial masonic affiliation. ADM ( talk) 06:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I added a reference to the role of Benjamin Franklin in Carroll's selection as superior to the entry. That may help to address your first point. Ericstoltz ( talk) 16:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
The article text says "Carroll was the only Roman Catholic bishop in the United States who was elected rather than appointed by the Pope." I added the "rather than appointed by the Pope" because I felt it was important to explain what the norm was. I made an assumption as to what the sentence was trying to say. Please correct me if I got it wrong.
I also note that, later in the article, the text says "Among the resolutions coming out of these meetings was a request to the Holy See that future episcopal nominations be made by the U.S. hierarchy, not by European prelates." What happened to this request? Have episcopal nominations been made by the U.S. hierarchy since then? If so, then perhaps my addition of "rather than appointed by the Pope" is not appropriate. Please clarify what we should be saying in these two sections. -- Richard ( talk) 04:51, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
An edit has been made by Contaldo80 noting that Carroll owned a slave and was supportive of slavery. While there is no citation, I can certainly imagine it could be true. But I wonder if this belongs in the section describing his ministry as bishop. Maybe there should be a separate section with more information on this topic. I can see undoing/redoing already taking place on this addition, and no doubt whoever removed it also thought it just didn't belong in that section. Ericstoltz ( talk) 22:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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I plan on working on this article for awhile, with the aim of brining it up to GA status. Ergo Sum 20:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
My good foe Eccekevin seems to be up to no good with his latest revert, of an edit I made (and he initially reverted) a while ago concerning Carroll's slaves. An award-winning, century-old student newspaper at Georgetown (print and online) claims Carroll had 100 slaves, but Ecce says it's only a "blog" and not reliable. I suspect bias, as with many of his edits trailing my own across Wikipedia. natemup ( talk) 22:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus ( talk) 05:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
John Carroll (archbishop of Baltimore) → John Carroll (archbishop) – WP:OVERPRECISION. As far as I can tell, he's the only archbishop named John Carroll that is discussed on Wikipedia. Per WP:NCPDAB, we don't use "(Queen drummer)" when "(drummer)" would suffice. In this case, "of Baltimore" is also rather misleading, as his domain included much more than Baltimore. The article says that "Until 1808, Carroll administered the entire American Catholic Church." He is the only person in Category:19th-century Roman Catholic archbishops in the United States and Category:Roman Catholic archbishops of Baltimore to have the specific location of his domain identified in the article title. — BarrelProof ( talk) 23:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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The article ought to clarify what were Carroll's relations with the new Revolutionary government under Washington, and how he used those relations to get himself to the post of top American clergyman. And too, it must be specified the motives of Bishop Briand for his excommunication, which some have alleged were related to some prohibited or controversial masonic affiliation. ADM ( talk) 06:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I added a reference to the role of Benjamin Franklin in Carroll's selection as superior to the entry. That may help to address your first point. Ericstoltz ( talk) 16:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
The article text says "Carroll was the only Roman Catholic bishop in the United States who was elected rather than appointed by the Pope." I added the "rather than appointed by the Pope" because I felt it was important to explain what the norm was. I made an assumption as to what the sentence was trying to say. Please correct me if I got it wrong.
I also note that, later in the article, the text says "Among the resolutions coming out of these meetings was a request to the Holy See that future episcopal nominations be made by the U.S. hierarchy, not by European prelates." What happened to this request? Have episcopal nominations been made by the U.S. hierarchy since then? If so, then perhaps my addition of "rather than appointed by the Pope" is not appropriate. Please clarify what we should be saying in these two sections. -- Richard ( talk) 04:51, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
An edit has been made by Contaldo80 noting that Carroll owned a slave and was supportive of slavery. While there is no citation, I can certainly imagine it could be true. But I wonder if this belongs in the section describing his ministry as bishop. Maybe there should be a separate section with more information on this topic. I can see undoing/redoing already taking place on this addition, and no doubt whoever removed it also thought it just didn't belong in that section. Ericstoltz ( talk) 22:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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I plan on working on this article for awhile, with the aim of brining it up to GA status. Ergo Sum 20:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
My good foe Eccekevin seems to be up to no good with his latest revert, of an edit I made (and he initially reverted) a while ago concerning Carroll's slaves. An award-winning, century-old student newspaper at Georgetown (print and online) claims Carroll had 100 slaves, but Ecce says it's only a "blog" and not reliable. I suspect bias, as with many of his edits trailing my own across Wikipedia. natemup ( talk) 22:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus ( talk) 05:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
John Carroll (archbishop of Baltimore) → John Carroll (archbishop) – WP:OVERPRECISION. As far as I can tell, he's the only archbishop named John Carroll that is discussed on Wikipedia. Per WP:NCPDAB, we don't use "(Queen drummer)" when "(drummer)" would suffice. In this case, "of Baltimore" is also rather misleading, as his domain included much more than Baltimore. The article says that "Until 1808, Carroll administered the entire American Catholic Church." He is the only person in Category:19th-century Roman Catholic archbishops in the United States and Category:Roman Catholic archbishops of Baltimore to have the specific location of his domain identified in the article title. — BarrelProof ( talk) 23:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)