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Comment - per previous RM
Talk:Brian Murphy (Gaelic games) the nom or some other editor can add refs to the
dual player main article substantiating the claim (which I personally understand to be correct) that the term "dual player" in Ireland specifically limits to the 2 sports described, and only the 2 sports described, for men. Irish Times, Irish Independent and so on use the term this way, but the mother article needs better refs before these moves are implemented.
In ictu oculi (
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09:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)reply
Conditional oppose -
Dual player is completely unreferenced, so we have no evidence that such a term actually exists. If you can add supporting references from reliable sources I will withdraw my opposition.
Road Wizard (
talk)
10:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)reply
I see that a previous discussion at
Talk:Brian Murphy (Gaelic games) suggested an alternative disambiguation of (Gaelic footballer and hurler). That term sounds like it would be clearer to the average reader than (dual player). What are the arguments against using the first term?
Road Wizard (
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10:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose all. We should use the disambiguator that identifies the player to the greatest number of people, and if they are notable in another sport as well, then have a redirect for those people who know them only in connection with the other game. (In a disambiguation page of course a dual player needs only one link, to the article, but the line on the person should mention both sports.)
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06:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)reply
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Comment - I said above that the nom could add references to the
dual player article which has had a "no ref" tag on it since 2008. The nom evidently didn't see it. So now I've added four myself. This term is pretty common in the Irish press, as ["dual player" hurler -wikipedia] indicates, though less of those results show up in Google News for some reason. In printed sources we get less hits e.g. Declan Hassett Passing through 2004 Page 148 "I saw
Jack Lynch play at the very end of his career but cannot now recall those games too clearly. For many, Jack would be the greatest dual player of all time. For me, the greatest dualist remains
Ray Cummins." I would have thought there is a case for national varieties of
WP:ENGLISH here?
In ictu oculi (
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23:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)reply
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Comment - per previous RM
Talk:Brian Murphy (Gaelic games) the nom or some other editor can add refs to the
dual player main article substantiating the claim (which I personally understand to be correct) that the term "dual player" in Ireland specifically limits to the 2 sports described, and only the 2 sports described, for men. Irish Times, Irish Independent and so on use the term this way, but the mother article needs better refs before these moves are implemented.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
09:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)reply
Conditional oppose -
Dual player is completely unreferenced, so we have no evidence that such a term actually exists. If you can add supporting references from reliable sources I will withdraw my opposition.
Road Wizard (
talk)
10:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)reply
I see that a previous discussion at
Talk:Brian Murphy (Gaelic games) suggested an alternative disambiguation of (Gaelic footballer and hurler). That term sounds like it would be clearer to the average reader than (dual player). What are the arguments against using the first term?
Road Wizard (
talk)
10:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose all. We should use the disambiguator that identifies the player to the greatest number of people, and if they are notable in another sport as well, then have a redirect for those people who know them only in connection with the other game. (In a disambiguation page of course a dual player needs only one link, to the article, but the line on the person should mention both sports.)
Andrewa (
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06:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)reply
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Comment - I said above that the nom could add references to the
dual player article which has had a "no ref" tag on it since 2008. The nom evidently didn't see it. So now I've added four myself. This term is pretty common in the Irish press, as ["dual player" hurler -wikipedia] indicates, though less of those results show up in Google News for some reason. In printed sources we get less hits e.g. Declan Hassett Passing through 2004 Page 148 "I saw
Jack Lynch play at the very end of his career but cannot now recall those games too clearly. For many, Jack would be the greatest dual player of all time. For me, the greatest dualist remains
Ray Cummins." I would have thought there is a case for national varieties of
WP:ENGLISH here?
In ictu oculi (
talk)
23:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)reply
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