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This page contains many links twice or many times. For example, to The Sea, there are about 4-5 links. This is against Wikipedia style. Please remove every link except the first (or most relevant). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.180.148 ( talk) 20:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I thought John Banville did a spell at teacher training in the UK circa 1970 ish? Long Lankin came out of this period. As a teenager John (whom we knew as 'Jack') was an accomplished amateur cabinet maker. In the sixties Renault cars were imported into Wexford for assembly. The parts were packed in large plywood crates which were sold off to locals. They were frequesntly used for pidgeon house and furniture (shelves, cabinets etc.). The ply was top quality - no voids. Jack's mother grew the most wonderful roses. Tall, long stemmed with potent scent. He tends to use Wexford surnames in his fiction - e.g Quirke in The Sea. Where he grew up in Wexford (a council estate called Bernadette Place)once had a vista onto a large rock outcrop called Trespan which rose out a rocky bramble covered field. Behind Trespan, the country side of South Wexfrod rolled out to the sea many miles off in Rosslare. A recently built housing estate completely cut offs off any view of the rock from his old house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.37.104 ( talk) 13:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The section on John Banville as Literary Editor of the Irish times is wholly inaccurate in its dates. John was appointed Literary Editor circa 1990 when the Irish Times split the functions of Features, Arts, Literary and Weekend into four. Brian Fallon had previously been the Editor for all four. He was replaced circa 1998 by Caroline Walsh, who had previously been Features Editor as part of a re-org of the Features Dept. However he retained his salary until circa 1990 when the IT, under financial pressure, offered redundancies to reduce its headcount. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.140.142 ( talk) 16:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
It is virtually impossible for me not to recognize Banville's style in this article. So as to inaccuracies in his c.v., it seems advisable to double-check.---- Generisches Maskulinum ( talk) 12:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
John Banville is a bit of a clown; if that's the word I'm looking for. Misty sonambulism; clouds. j —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.137.0.9 ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 12 August 2005
'John' is a pretentious twat, looks up big words in a dictionary and writes paragraphs around them in the well-known -'Only "we" REALLY intelligent and sensitive people understand works such as this - "you" peasants are the illiterate unwashed not fit to comment on these great works!' Blow it out your ear - everyone in Wexford will tell you the man IS a clown, if a very successful one - but still a hoity toity clown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:6828:58C0:688E:2A99:6765:9955 ( talk) 14:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
If you wanted to condemn any author who has a richer vocabulary than the Joneses, then you better say farewell to literature.---- Generisches Maskulinum ( talk) 12:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Is this article in an appropriate style for an encyclopedia? The "reputation" and "according to his friends" sections are surely typical of the things frowned upon by any unbiased source of info. { Jiggers 22:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)}?
Yeah, it is. Bit odd to have it. Skinnyweed 15:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Totally inappropriate...but kind of entertaining...-- Staple 09:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
But seriously, the "Reputation" and "According to his Friends" sections are trivial. "Typical descriptions of his style", while well-written, seems to be based entirely on a reading of The Sea and is riddled with POVesque statements. His style is painterly (I read somewhere that he tried his hand early on as a painter, is that in the article?) but the tone of the section seems somewhat distainful--"this sort of writting might win Booker Prizes"...ect. I would add that in much of his fiction, the descriptions tend toward the grotesque or macabre. I personally don't have a problem with the quotations, although they're unusual. I feel like a killjoy complaining about such a playful article, but as we all know, humorlessness always triumphs on Wikipedia.-- Staple 06:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
In Mrs Osmond his style is definitely and intentionally Jamesian. It is Proustian only in so far as Proust was an admirer of James and has learned from him.---- Generisches Maskulinum ( talk) 12:21, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
I removed the two offending sections. If someone would like to reintroduce some of that material in a more appropriate form, by all means do. I pasted them below so that they'd be easily accesible. I'd love some help on the "style" section--I don't know quite where to begin... Reputation
Mysterious; Compelling; Disdainful; Fastidious; Serious; Aloof; Intellectual snob; Magisterial; Arrogant; Professorial; Withering; Surly; Lugubrious; Solemn; Vain; Awkward; Other-worldly; Cold fish; Pompous boffin; Austere; Godlike.
According to his friends
Funny; Dry; Sardonic; Barbed wit; A high opinion of his own talents; Warm friendships; Calm presence; Kindly; Droll; A raconteur; Self-deprecating sense of humour; Very pleasant to work with and a stickler for grammar and punctuation but he didn't read newspapers or watch television, so he never knew what was going on in the real world; Stayed to drink tea and read Henry James in his Irish Press office while his colleagues went next door to Mulligan's pub. Thanks, -- Staple 06:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The list of works needs editing. # The Sinking City (forthcoming[10]) refers to an early draft of one of the chapters of The Infinities which appeared in the Manchester Review. —Preceding
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as far as I am aware Banville lives in Howth, Co. Dublin rather than central Dublin. found this bio to corroborate http://www.dublintheatrefestival.com/artist/John_Banville/11.htm
No, that biography dates from 2000, and doesn't mention any of his books since "The Untouchable". He lives on Bachelor's Walk on the quays of the Liffey in central Dublin. (He has said that it is a very inappropriately named place for him to live.) The only proof I have is that one sees him in the Jervis Street shopping centre which is 5 minutes away. Rory.
Bachelor's Walk is right - [ see this] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.251.150 ( talk) 08:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I think perhaps the following quote regarding Banville's work would be useful at some point in this article, perhaps at the end of the opening paragraph.
Banville's work has been described as ‘one of the most startling of the century’s varied achievements in Irish writing’ The source is Seamus Deane, A Short History of Irish Literature, (London: Routledge, 1986), p.223) What do you think? IrishGothicJournal 13:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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Upon visiting the article to determine suitability for WP:ITN, I am intrigued by something in a sentence here about the Franz Kafka Prize that I think should be explored at greater length:
Perhaps this is a moment's drollness and more pedestrian than it sounds, but I'm interested to learn more about the nature of this duality that occasions such Black commentary on Banville. I mean, do "they" dress differently? Different hairstyles? Different beverages at the book signing? Yes, I'm having fun but I'm serious, I find this fascinating and while the different genres and styles of writing are obviously the biographical springboard, that's secondary to the in-person quotes, manner, and any other idiosyncratic distinctions between the public Black and the public Banville. Thanks to anyone who can illuminate this for me and the reader. Abrazame ( talk) 09:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
This seems to have echos of Robert Schumann characterising the two sides of his characters as "Eusebius" and "Florestan" (iirc, Florestan was the more outgoing, extravert side of Schumann's personality). I mean, Schumann didn't write two types of works under different names as Banville does, using a pseudonym for his genre fiction, and Schumann did end up in an asylum at the end of his life, but I guess the comments in the article where he talks about "Black looking over Banville's shoulder" or vice versa do sound like a playful way of discussing something potentially serious. -- PaulHammond ( talk) 22:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Have edited for some odd word choices - he didn't "blame" Koestler for his interest in scientists, but (going back to the source) said that Koestler's novel about Kepler stimulated his own interest. Added more content to show a concept that related to his exploring scientists through his historical novels, that he thought scientists, in trying to impose order, did something similar to writers. Similarly, it seemed odd to say he "admitted" trying to combine poetry and prose in a new form; "said" is sufficient; he wasn't confessing a crime or sin. Journalists try to add human interest content; an encyclopedia doesn't need such trivia as Doyle's side comment related to the Kafka Prize - does not relate to Banville or the significance of the prize. Deleted this. Parkwells ( talk) 15:56, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
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This page contains many links twice or many times. For example, to The Sea, there are about 4-5 links. This is against Wikipedia style. Please remove every link except the first (or most relevant). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.180.148 ( talk) 20:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I thought John Banville did a spell at teacher training in the UK circa 1970 ish? Long Lankin came out of this period. As a teenager John (whom we knew as 'Jack') was an accomplished amateur cabinet maker. In the sixties Renault cars were imported into Wexford for assembly. The parts were packed in large plywood crates which were sold off to locals. They were frequesntly used for pidgeon house and furniture (shelves, cabinets etc.). The ply was top quality - no voids. Jack's mother grew the most wonderful roses. Tall, long stemmed with potent scent. He tends to use Wexford surnames in his fiction - e.g Quirke in The Sea. Where he grew up in Wexford (a council estate called Bernadette Place)once had a vista onto a large rock outcrop called Trespan which rose out a rocky bramble covered field. Behind Trespan, the country side of South Wexfrod rolled out to the sea many miles off in Rosslare. A recently built housing estate completely cut offs off any view of the rock from his old house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.37.104 ( talk) 13:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The section on John Banville as Literary Editor of the Irish times is wholly inaccurate in its dates. John was appointed Literary Editor circa 1990 when the Irish Times split the functions of Features, Arts, Literary and Weekend into four. Brian Fallon had previously been the Editor for all four. He was replaced circa 1998 by Caroline Walsh, who had previously been Features Editor as part of a re-org of the Features Dept. However he retained his salary until circa 1990 when the IT, under financial pressure, offered redundancies to reduce its headcount. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.140.142 ( talk) 16:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
It is virtually impossible for me not to recognize Banville's style in this article. So as to inaccuracies in his c.v., it seems advisable to double-check.---- Generisches Maskulinum ( talk) 12:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
John Banville is a bit of a clown; if that's the word I'm looking for. Misty sonambulism; clouds. j —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.137.0.9 ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 12 August 2005
'John' is a pretentious twat, looks up big words in a dictionary and writes paragraphs around them in the well-known -'Only "we" REALLY intelligent and sensitive people understand works such as this - "you" peasants are the illiterate unwashed not fit to comment on these great works!' Blow it out your ear - everyone in Wexford will tell you the man IS a clown, if a very successful one - but still a hoity toity clown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:6828:58C0:688E:2A99:6765:9955 ( talk) 14:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
If you wanted to condemn any author who has a richer vocabulary than the Joneses, then you better say farewell to literature.---- Generisches Maskulinum ( talk) 12:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Is this article in an appropriate style for an encyclopedia? The "reputation" and "according to his friends" sections are surely typical of the things frowned upon by any unbiased source of info. { Jiggers 22:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)}?
Yeah, it is. Bit odd to have it. Skinnyweed 15:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Totally inappropriate...but kind of entertaining...-- Staple 09:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
But seriously, the "Reputation" and "According to his Friends" sections are trivial. "Typical descriptions of his style", while well-written, seems to be based entirely on a reading of The Sea and is riddled with POVesque statements. His style is painterly (I read somewhere that he tried his hand early on as a painter, is that in the article?) but the tone of the section seems somewhat distainful--"this sort of writting might win Booker Prizes"...ect. I would add that in much of his fiction, the descriptions tend toward the grotesque or macabre. I personally don't have a problem with the quotations, although they're unusual. I feel like a killjoy complaining about such a playful article, but as we all know, humorlessness always triumphs on Wikipedia.-- Staple 06:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
In Mrs Osmond his style is definitely and intentionally Jamesian. It is Proustian only in so far as Proust was an admirer of James and has learned from him.---- Generisches Maskulinum ( talk) 12:21, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
I removed the two offending sections. If someone would like to reintroduce some of that material in a more appropriate form, by all means do. I pasted them below so that they'd be easily accesible. I'd love some help on the "style" section--I don't know quite where to begin... Reputation
Mysterious; Compelling; Disdainful; Fastidious; Serious; Aloof; Intellectual snob; Magisterial; Arrogant; Professorial; Withering; Surly; Lugubrious; Solemn; Vain; Awkward; Other-worldly; Cold fish; Pompous boffin; Austere; Godlike.
According to his friends
Funny; Dry; Sardonic; Barbed wit; A high opinion of his own talents; Warm friendships; Calm presence; Kindly; Droll; A raconteur; Self-deprecating sense of humour; Very pleasant to work with and a stickler for grammar and punctuation but he didn't read newspapers or watch television, so he never knew what was going on in the real world; Stayed to drink tea and read Henry James in his Irish Press office while his colleagues went next door to Mulligan's pub. Thanks, -- Staple 06:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The list of works needs editing. # The Sinking City (forthcoming[10]) refers to an early draft of one of the chapters of The Infinities which appeared in the Manchester Review. —Preceding
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as far as I am aware Banville lives in Howth, Co. Dublin rather than central Dublin. found this bio to corroborate http://www.dublintheatrefestival.com/artist/John_Banville/11.htm
No, that biography dates from 2000, and doesn't mention any of his books since "The Untouchable". He lives on Bachelor's Walk on the quays of the Liffey in central Dublin. (He has said that it is a very inappropriately named place for him to live.) The only proof I have is that one sees him in the Jervis Street shopping centre which is 5 minutes away. Rory.
Bachelor's Walk is right - [ see this] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.251.150 ( talk) 08:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I think perhaps the following quote regarding Banville's work would be useful at some point in this article, perhaps at the end of the opening paragraph.
Banville's work has been described as ‘one of the most startling of the century’s varied achievements in Irish writing’ The source is Seamus Deane, A Short History of Irish Literature, (London: Routledge, 1986), p.223) What do you think? IrishGothicJournal 13:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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Upon visiting the article to determine suitability for WP:ITN, I am intrigued by something in a sentence here about the Franz Kafka Prize that I think should be explored at greater length:
Perhaps this is a moment's drollness and more pedestrian than it sounds, but I'm interested to learn more about the nature of this duality that occasions such Black commentary on Banville. I mean, do "they" dress differently? Different hairstyles? Different beverages at the book signing? Yes, I'm having fun but I'm serious, I find this fascinating and while the different genres and styles of writing are obviously the biographical springboard, that's secondary to the in-person quotes, manner, and any other idiosyncratic distinctions between the public Black and the public Banville. Thanks to anyone who can illuminate this for me and the reader. Abrazame ( talk) 09:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
This seems to have echos of Robert Schumann characterising the two sides of his characters as "Eusebius" and "Florestan" (iirc, Florestan was the more outgoing, extravert side of Schumann's personality). I mean, Schumann didn't write two types of works under different names as Banville does, using a pseudonym for his genre fiction, and Schumann did end up in an asylum at the end of his life, but I guess the comments in the article where he talks about "Black looking over Banville's shoulder" or vice versa do sound like a playful way of discussing something potentially serious. -- PaulHammond ( talk) 22:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Have edited for some odd word choices - he didn't "blame" Koestler for his interest in scientists, but (going back to the source) said that Koestler's novel about Kepler stimulated his own interest. Added more content to show a concept that related to his exploring scientists through his historical novels, that he thought scientists, in trying to impose order, did something similar to writers. Similarly, it seemed odd to say he "admitted" trying to combine poetry and prose in a new form; "said" is sufficient; he wasn't confessing a crime or sin. Journalists try to add human interest content; an encyclopedia doesn't need such trivia as Doyle's side comment related to the Kafka Prize - does not relate to Banville or the significance of the prize. Deleted this. Parkwells ( talk) 15:56, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
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