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As a reader (not a proposed editor) of this page, I found the section on MOVE awkward and even incomprehensible in part. The phrase "Rendell's office then come up with" sounds like an exhausted verbal, un-encyclopedic narrative. The noun phrase "warrants signed by Governor Dick Thornburgh" should mention which state the man governed, as two states are in play here. The sentence "Judge Kendall Shoyer ordered Alberta Africa bound and gagged to keep her from raising the issue." does not clearly indicate what issue is being discussed. Lastly, "The jury declared Vincent and Alfonso innocent on all charges." is a candidate for improvement -- juries do not "declare", they "find", and they never find someone innocent. Rather, they find a defendant "not guilty." DulcetTone ( talk) 20:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a grand total of one unlinked source cited. I took the liberty of linking it, but that source by itself does not support the assertions of the article. A lot more than one citation is called for to establish that the Philly PD bombed and killed these people. Groupthink 07:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
How's this for a source: I lived through it. It happened. 76.116.250.196 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Revolutionaries-with-a-capital-R? No mention of why the police allegedly commited this supposed massacre? If that's not WP:NPOV then I don't know what is. Groupthink 07:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The Mumia Abu-Jamal material is completely irrelevant. Groupthink 07:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is MOVE blamed for the block being burned? Yes, they did fire; however, it is a two-way road, and they weren't the only ones engaging. MOVE didn't drop the bomb. Neutrality is preferable, even though many would like to see the PPD given the blame (just representing the misrepresented). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.234.39 ( talk) 22:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I have been accused of not being sufficiently bold and failing to make a sufficient attempt to improve this article. This puts me in a bind. If I barge ahead with an edit, then I'm going to get slammed. If I do nothing, then I'm going to get slammed. So in the interest of finding a middle ground, here is a revision of the page that I would find worthy of inclusion. If another editor finds this acceptable, then he/she has my blessing to make this change for her/himself, but I will not make that change. Let some other editor get raked over the coals by fanatical pro-MOVErs.
John Africa (born Vincent Leaphart) was the founder of MOVE, a militant West Philadelphia organization prominent in the late 1960's. He died on May 13, 1985 during an attempted eviction of armed MOVE members from a West Philadelphia rowhouse by the Philadelphia Police Department. [3] [4]
Mumia Abu-Jamal is a prominent follower of the teachings of John Africa.References
[[Category:People from Philadelphia|Africa, John]]
There, I've done the page creator's homework for her/him. Groupthink 09:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The result was no merger (no consensus). -- Groupthink 00:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, so we now have a nice little article... but it's not about John Africa, it's about MOVE, and that's where it should be (pardon the pun) MOVED to. Groupthink 10:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think merger is necessary, or useful. There should be an article on John Africa. There is nothing wrong with crossover material, imho DDB 11:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I see no consensus here, but I'll leave this debate open one more day. Groupthink 07:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
It's written in this article that Alberta Africa was bound & gagged to prevent her from "raising the issue." What issue? I also believe that there was more to the judge's order of her being bound & gagged aside from her possibly speaking out, but I'm guessing that thr truth will be buried under the usual fiction that pervades many wiki articles. But to end the sentence in the section of this article I've shown with an unexpounded thought such as this is beyond bizarre. Please elaborate to clarify this matter. CuriouserandCuriouser6371 ( talk) 13:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The image affiliated with this page, which other web sources have now picked up on, is of a balding Caucasian looking man. Is this really John Africa, or a prank? The question is a serious one because there aren't alot of extant pictures of the man on the web. I am seriously confused. According to my cursory research John Africa was an older black man with dreadlocks. Can anyone in the know weigh in? 74.73.161.125 ( talk) 01:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
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The article is tagged for non-neutrality. The article is written exclusively from the perspective of the MOVE organization. It presents a highly distorted version of what Africa's ideas were which focuses on animal rights for some reason. Suggesting that their problems with the police were due exclusively to their activity related to "animal cruelty in zoos, the education system, and police brutality" is not a neutral presentation of the dispute. Stating that the death of the police officer in the standoff is proved by "evidence" to have been caused by friendly fire is non-neutral. 12.12.144.130 ( talk) 17:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
It is stil POV. I fixed some, especially the grammar. Yet this:
an idea to rebel against an oppressive society that bulldozed homes to make way to build more academic housing...
and more remains.
Zezen ( talk) 06:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Why was mention of the police bombing (clearly supported in the police comission report) edited out by Czar in May 2022? 45.20.198.87 ( talk) 13:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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As a reader (not a proposed editor) of this page, I found the section on MOVE awkward and even incomprehensible in part. The phrase "Rendell's office then come up with" sounds like an exhausted verbal, un-encyclopedic narrative. The noun phrase "warrants signed by Governor Dick Thornburgh" should mention which state the man governed, as two states are in play here. The sentence "Judge Kendall Shoyer ordered Alberta Africa bound and gagged to keep her from raising the issue." does not clearly indicate what issue is being discussed. Lastly, "The jury declared Vincent and Alfonso innocent on all charges." is a candidate for improvement -- juries do not "declare", they "find", and they never find someone innocent. Rather, they find a defendant "not guilty." DulcetTone ( talk) 20:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a grand total of one unlinked source cited. I took the liberty of linking it, but that source by itself does not support the assertions of the article. A lot more than one citation is called for to establish that the Philly PD bombed and killed these people. Groupthink 07:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
How's this for a source: I lived through it. It happened. 76.116.250.196 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Revolutionaries-with-a-capital-R? No mention of why the police allegedly commited this supposed massacre? If that's not WP:NPOV then I don't know what is. Groupthink 07:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The Mumia Abu-Jamal material is completely irrelevant. Groupthink 07:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is MOVE blamed for the block being burned? Yes, they did fire; however, it is a two-way road, and they weren't the only ones engaging. MOVE didn't drop the bomb. Neutrality is preferable, even though many would like to see the PPD given the blame (just representing the misrepresented). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.234.39 ( talk) 22:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I have been accused of not being sufficiently bold and failing to make a sufficient attempt to improve this article. This puts me in a bind. If I barge ahead with an edit, then I'm going to get slammed. If I do nothing, then I'm going to get slammed. So in the interest of finding a middle ground, here is a revision of the page that I would find worthy of inclusion. If another editor finds this acceptable, then he/she has my blessing to make this change for her/himself, but I will not make that change. Let some other editor get raked over the coals by fanatical pro-MOVErs.
John Africa (born Vincent Leaphart) was the founder of MOVE, a militant West Philadelphia organization prominent in the late 1960's. He died on May 13, 1985 during an attempted eviction of armed MOVE members from a West Philadelphia rowhouse by the Philadelphia Police Department. [3] [4]
Mumia Abu-Jamal is a prominent follower of the teachings of John Africa.References
[[Category:People from Philadelphia|Africa, John]]
There, I've done the page creator's homework for her/him. Groupthink 09:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The result was no merger (no consensus). -- Groupthink 00:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, so we now have a nice little article... but it's not about John Africa, it's about MOVE, and that's where it should be (pardon the pun) MOVED to. Groupthink 10:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think merger is necessary, or useful. There should be an article on John Africa. There is nothing wrong with crossover material, imho DDB 11:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I see no consensus here, but I'll leave this debate open one more day. Groupthink 07:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
It's written in this article that Alberta Africa was bound & gagged to prevent her from "raising the issue." What issue? I also believe that there was more to the judge's order of her being bound & gagged aside from her possibly speaking out, but I'm guessing that thr truth will be buried under the usual fiction that pervades many wiki articles. But to end the sentence in the section of this article I've shown with an unexpounded thought such as this is beyond bizarre. Please elaborate to clarify this matter. CuriouserandCuriouser6371 ( talk) 13:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The image affiliated with this page, which other web sources have now picked up on, is of a balding Caucasian looking man. Is this really John Africa, or a prank? The question is a serious one because there aren't alot of extant pictures of the man on the web. I am seriously confused. According to my cursory research John Africa was an older black man with dreadlocks. Can anyone in the know weigh in? 74.73.161.125 ( talk) 01:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
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The article is tagged for non-neutrality. The article is written exclusively from the perspective of the MOVE organization. It presents a highly distorted version of what Africa's ideas were which focuses on animal rights for some reason. Suggesting that their problems with the police were due exclusively to their activity related to "animal cruelty in zoos, the education system, and police brutality" is not a neutral presentation of the dispute. Stating that the death of the police officer in the standoff is proved by "evidence" to have been caused by friendly fire is non-neutral. 12.12.144.130 ( talk) 17:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
It is stil POV. I fixed some, especially the grammar. Yet this:
an idea to rebel against an oppressive society that bulldozed homes to make way to build more academic housing...
and more remains.
Zezen ( talk) 06:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Why was mention of the police bombing (clearly supported in the police comission report) edited out by Czar in May 2022? 45.20.198.87 ( talk) 13:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)