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Carniolian? That's like saying that a historian from Graz is a Styrian historian, and not an Austrian. I have changed it, if you have objections please state them here, before we start an edit war. Wikingus 22:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
But there existed SLOVENIAN LANGUAGE, in Freising Manuscript, so basically were people who spoke it old Slovenians and not Austrians or Hungarians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:EE2:2D01:BD00:D896:661D:A4F2:BBD6 ( talk) 20:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Well, other articles say Dante was Italian or that Leibniz was German inspite of the fact that neither Italy nor Germany had existed at the time so it's ok to say Valvasor was Slovenian. He lived in Slovenia, spoke slovenian even wrote in slvoenian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.69.176 ( talk) 10:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
So then the Freising Manuscripts were not written in the Slovene language but in Austrian language too? This was a language of a certan nation, which was not german. And that's the whole point of this book; to separate german and slavic lands and their languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.113.136 ( talk) 23:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
In Slovenia Valvasor is usually referred to by this Slovenicised version of his name but it seems to me that to maintain this practice in English smacks of historical revisionism. I propose that the article be moved to "Johann Weichard Valvasor", which, after all, is the name on the title page of the works that are his principal claim to international fame. You can even see it in the illustration! Rabascius ( talk) 22:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
You won't get any objections from me. However, I'd hardly say that calling him Janez Vajkard is historical revisionism. As he was Slovene and spoke Slovene (obviously, he also spoke German, but as far as I know wasn't ethnically German, and in any case, didn't perceive himself as such, but first of all as a Carniolan), what's the problem? Naturally, all men of importance during those days mostly used the German versions of their names (almost any Slovene name of the era had a German version that was often used in official papers). Wikingus ( talk) 21:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Why not put him in an English-languange encyclopedia in the form he is registered by a reliable and neutral source like the ROYAL SOCIETY? Wouldn't that be fair?-- Marschner ( talk) 21:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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Carniolian? That's like saying that a historian from Graz is a Styrian historian, and not an Austrian. I have changed it, if you have objections please state them here, before we start an edit war. Wikingus 22:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
But there existed SLOVENIAN LANGUAGE, in Freising Manuscript, so basically were people who spoke it old Slovenians and not Austrians or Hungarians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:EE2:2D01:BD00:D896:661D:A4F2:BBD6 ( talk) 20:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Well, other articles say Dante was Italian or that Leibniz was German inspite of the fact that neither Italy nor Germany had existed at the time so it's ok to say Valvasor was Slovenian. He lived in Slovenia, spoke slovenian even wrote in slvoenian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.69.176 ( talk) 10:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
So then the Freising Manuscripts were not written in the Slovene language but in Austrian language too? This was a language of a certan nation, which was not german. And that's the whole point of this book; to separate german and slavic lands and their languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.113.136 ( talk) 23:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
In Slovenia Valvasor is usually referred to by this Slovenicised version of his name but it seems to me that to maintain this practice in English smacks of historical revisionism. I propose that the article be moved to "Johann Weichard Valvasor", which, after all, is the name on the title page of the works that are his principal claim to international fame. You can even see it in the illustration! Rabascius ( talk) 22:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
You won't get any objections from me. However, I'd hardly say that calling him Janez Vajkard is historical revisionism. As he was Slovene and spoke Slovene (obviously, he also spoke German, but as far as I know wasn't ethnically German, and in any case, didn't perceive himself as such, but first of all as a Carniolan), what's the problem? Naturally, all men of importance during those days mostly used the German versions of their names (almost any Slovene name of the era had a German version that was often used in official papers). Wikingus ( talk) 21:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Why not put him in an English-languange encyclopedia in the form he is registered by a reliable and neutral source like the ROYAL SOCIETY? Wouldn't that be fair?-- Marschner ( talk) 21:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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