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..is a powerful motivator. Like most of my generation, I too mocked my peers and pretty much anyone else with taunts of 'Joey'. Recently I figured the least I could do to redress this karmic imbalance was read Joey's book 'Tongue Tied', and managed to track down one of the only remaining copies in the Norfolk library system. I must confess, I'm glad I did - in the face of constant adversity and the deaths of nearly all of his immediate family throughout his lifetime, the stoicism Joey Deacon displays is truly remarkable. It saddens me now that for many, the memory of Joey Deacon is simplified to a spot on Blue Peter and a gurning expression. If you dig beneath the surface you'll find that the man was really quite intelligent, cared deeply about his friends and family, and helped bring the handicapped out of state institutions and into our social conscience.
Joey did NOT lose his shoe in the Thames with Simon Groom. He was merely reminiscing about an incident that occurred during his childhood - a kind of 'dramatic reconstruction' if you will.
I don't know this for sure, but following Joey's Blue Peter appearance I feel that incidences of people naming their children Joey would have declined - possibly only to recover after Friends made its debut. Does anyone know where I can get this information ( NameVoyager is wonderful but it's for American name usage). DavidFarmbrough 08:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Complications due to his condition pneumonia, I think.
Joey is notable because of his book, tv appearances, and cultural impact, but I have a suspicion that his account of the treatment of physically handicapped people in mental institutions in the early part of the last century may be very rare. Are there any comparative examples? DavidFarmbrough 09:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
That endlessly looping GIF looks rather bizarre. Is there a point to it being animated instead of a simple screenshot? -- Last Malthusian 15:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
DavidFarmbrough 12:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
"His mother had a fall during pregnancy, which caused Joey's cerebral palsy." Falling over causes cerebral palsy?
Blue Peter 1981? No no no. Ages before that. A (feature length?) dramatization of his life was shown in the mid-70's on the Beeb, and at primetime too. If this was the Horizon programme referenced then it was an unusually non-documentary one and I'm fairly confident the series wasn't around 30-odd years ago. So - anyone know? I cannot be the only one who remembers this. I was about 9 years old at the time and was astonished years later when people started referencing him as I knew nothing about the Blue Peter appearance. I'll see what I can find out but the admittedly few quick searches over the years haven't thrown up much so far. Plutonium27 23:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it was the Horizon programme mentioned. IMDB says Horizon was first broadcast in1964 and the Joey Deacon programme was 1974. I remember watching it as well. 91.110.146.254 MidlandLinda ( talk) 23:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
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It was explained in the image page - go back and look - also now explained againon your talk page and on the discussion page! The rationale, just to repeat, is "This image is a screenshot of a copyrighted television program or station ID. As such, the copyright for it is most likely owned by the company or corporation that produced it. It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots is fair use." DavidFarmbrough ( talk) 16:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
There's no reference to a source to suggest this continues in the present day. The source referenced is some guy's blog post from 2006 about how for people of his generation "all such thoughts and conversations [about insulting words relating to disability] immediately conjure up one special name....Joey Deacon!" I'm 25, I grew up and attended school throughout the 90s, and have never mocked anyone as a "Joey" and working in schools for the last 3 years or so I am yet to hear the words 'spastic' 'scope' 'scoper' or 'Joey' used as insults. I would suggest that the article is changed to read something more like "during the 1980s if a person tripped over or happened to otherwise compromise themselves, they may have been mocked as a "Joey"." 188.221.105.22 ( talk) 18:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Ae you kidding? Spastic is a VERY common insult in the uk, as well as the variant "spacker". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.205.93 ( talk) 00:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I remember the mocking well in the 80s saying "Joey" or "Joey Deacon" slowly. But Ive not heard those names since. Spastic is still common though. -- RND T C 09:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
As a school girl in the '80s with the name Joanne, I was often taunted with the cry "Joey Deacon" whilst the offender pulled his best "spastic" face. Very common, and even to this day, I dislike being called "Joey" even as an affectionate term. Children are cruel, but I would like to think that those who tormented me in my youth occasionally stop to consider the great good Joey Deacon did in raising awareness of the plight for institutionalized disabled people 109.233.8.59 ( talk) 10:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I am concerned about how much of the cultural impact section has been lost. Joey is quite an important cultural icon and to remove about 3/4 of the citations really makes it look as though he wasn't important. I am going through the history and seeing what I can reinstate. If there are good arguments given for the removal, I will address them here. DavidFarmbrough ( talk) 05:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Joey Deacon/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Are references 1235 and 6 simply attempts to fill out the appendix and make it ostensibly respectable? The article and its appendices focuses around the playground joke which seems to have afflicted middle-aged britain. Perhaps it would be more discerning to comment on the impact made in medical/mental health practice in relation to patient care, and leave out all the links and references to pejorative articles which would be percieved insulting. |
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The cultural impact of Joey Deacon's appearance on Blue Peter needs to be kept precisely because so many people were so horrible and insensitive.
Yes, Blue Peter's coverage of Joey Deacon really did result in him being widely mocked by schoolchildren, as confirmed by the references. It was a significant cultural phenomenon of the time, and so should be noted here.
The fact that many children were insensitive and quite frankly horrible in their attitudes towards him is no reason to remove the fact that this happened. On the contrary, it's the reason to include the information.
And after all, what use would any encyclopaedia be if it failed to include information about history which wasn't very nice?
If you personally are unaware of the historical use of "Joey" as a term of abuse - well, that just means you weren't around at the time. This is significant historical information which should be recorded. I was a child at the time and clearly recall how horrible many of my peers were towards Joey Deacon.
Do you really think that disabled people want information about cruel attitudes and behaviour towards disabled people glossed over or removed from the record? Ask yourself if you think that Jewish people want information about the Holocaust to be suppressed. Yes, in this case, bringing up a Nazi connection is justified: see Aktion T4.
Yes I know there are an awful lot of steps between "Joey" as a term of abuse to actual mass murder of the disabled, but it starts with the bad attitudes towards disabled people that led to people mocking Joey Deacon as they did.
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..is a powerful motivator. Like most of my generation, I too mocked my peers and pretty much anyone else with taunts of 'Joey'. Recently I figured the least I could do to redress this karmic imbalance was read Joey's book 'Tongue Tied', and managed to track down one of the only remaining copies in the Norfolk library system. I must confess, I'm glad I did - in the face of constant adversity and the deaths of nearly all of his immediate family throughout his lifetime, the stoicism Joey Deacon displays is truly remarkable. It saddens me now that for many, the memory of Joey Deacon is simplified to a spot on Blue Peter and a gurning expression. If you dig beneath the surface you'll find that the man was really quite intelligent, cared deeply about his friends and family, and helped bring the handicapped out of state institutions and into our social conscience.
Joey did NOT lose his shoe in the Thames with Simon Groom. He was merely reminiscing about an incident that occurred during his childhood - a kind of 'dramatic reconstruction' if you will.
I don't know this for sure, but following Joey's Blue Peter appearance I feel that incidences of people naming their children Joey would have declined - possibly only to recover after Friends made its debut. Does anyone know where I can get this information ( NameVoyager is wonderful but it's for American name usage). DavidFarmbrough 08:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Complications due to his condition pneumonia, I think.
Joey is notable because of his book, tv appearances, and cultural impact, but I have a suspicion that his account of the treatment of physically handicapped people in mental institutions in the early part of the last century may be very rare. Are there any comparative examples? DavidFarmbrough 09:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
That endlessly looping GIF looks rather bizarre. Is there a point to it being animated instead of a simple screenshot? -- Last Malthusian 15:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
DavidFarmbrough 12:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
"His mother had a fall during pregnancy, which caused Joey's cerebral palsy." Falling over causes cerebral palsy?
Blue Peter 1981? No no no. Ages before that. A (feature length?) dramatization of his life was shown in the mid-70's on the Beeb, and at primetime too. If this was the Horizon programme referenced then it was an unusually non-documentary one and I'm fairly confident the series wasn't around 30-odd years ago. So - anyone know? I cannot be the only one who remembers this. I was about 9 years old at the time and was astonished years later when people started referencing him as I knew nothing about the Blue Peter appearance. I'll see what I can find out but the admittedly few quick searches over the years haven't thrown up much so far. Plutonium27 23:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it was the Horizon programme mentioned. IMDB says Horizon was first broadcast in1964 and the Joey Deacon programme was 1974. I remember watching it as well. 91.110.146.254 MidlandLinda ( talk) 23:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
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It was explained in the image page - go back and look - also now explained againon your talk page and on the discussion page! The rationale, just to repeat, is "This image is a screenshot of a copyrighted television program or station ID. As such, the copyright for it is most likely owned by the company or corporation that produced it. It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots is fair use." DavidFarmbrough ( talk) 16:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
There's no reference to a source to suggest this continues in the present day. The source referenced is some guy's blog post from 2006 about how for people of his generation "all such thoughts and conversations [about insulting words relating to disability] immediately conjure up one special name....Joey Deacon!" I'm 25, I grew up and attended school throughout the 90s, and have never mocked anyone as a "Joey" and working in schools for the last 3 years or so I am yet to hear the words 'spastic' 'scope' 'scoper' or 'Joey' used as insults. I would suggest that the article is changed to read something more like "during the 1980s if a person tripped over or happened to otherwise compromise themselves, they may have been mocked as a "Joey"." 188.221.105.22 ( talk) 18:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Ae you kidding? Spastic is a VERY common insult in the uk, as well as the variant "spacker". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.205.93 ( talk) 00:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I remember the mocking well in the 80s saying "Joey" or "Joey Deacon" slowly. But Ive not heard those names since. Spastic is still common though. -- RND T C 09:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
As a school girl in the '80s with the name Joanne, I was often taunted with the cry "Joey Deacon" whilst the offender pulled his best "spastic" face. Very common, and even to this day, I dislike being called "Joey" even as an affectionate term. Children are cruel, but I would like to think that those who tormented me in my youth occasionally stop to consider the great good Joey Deacon did in raising awareness of the plight for institutionalized disabled people 109.233.8.59 ( talk) 10:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I am concerned about how much of the cultural impact section has been lost. Joey is quite an important cultural icon and to remove about 3/4 of the citations really makes it look as though he wasn't important. I am going through the history and seeing what I can reinstate. If there are good arguments given for the removal, I will address them here. DavidFarmbrough ( talk) 05:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Joey Deacon/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Are references 1235 and 6 simply attempts to fill out the appendix and make it ostensibly respectable? The article and its appendices focuses around the playground joke which seems to have afflicted middle-aged britain. Perhaps it would be more discerning to comment on the impact made in medical/mental health practice in relation to patient care, and leave out all the links and references to pejorative articles which would be percieved insulting. |
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The cultural impact of Joey Deacon's appearance on Blue Peter needs to be kept precisely because so many people were so horrible and insensitive.
Yes, Blue Peter's coverage of Joey Deacon really did result in him being widely mocked by schoolchildren, as confirmed by the references. It was a significant cultural phenomenon of the time, and so should be noted here.
The fact that many children were insensitive and quite frankly horrible in their attitudes towards him is no reason to remove the fact that this happened. On the contrary, it's the reason to include the information.
And after all, what use would any encyclopaedia be if it failed to include information about history which wasn't very nice?
If you personally are unaware of the historical use of "Joey" as a term of abuse - well, that just means you weren't around at the time. This is significant historical information which should be recorded. I was a child at the time and clearly recall how horrible many of my peers were towards Joey Deacon.
Do you really think that disabled people want information about cruel attitudes and behaviour towards disabled people glossed over or removed from the record? Ask yourself if you think that Jewish people want information about the Holocaust to be suppressed. Yes, in this case, bringing up a Nazi connection is justified: see Aktion T4.
Yes I know there are an awful lot of steps between "Joey" as a term of abuse to actual mass murder of the disabled, but it starts with the bad attitudes towards disabled people that led to people mocking Joey Deacon as they did.
Michael F 1967 ( talk) 00:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)