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I understand that some would prefer to use the word "simulate" but perhaps the article should include something in brackets to say that the use of the word "simulating" completely misleads the reader as to the nature of events. Would that please both sides of the argument? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.8.196 ( talk) 05:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
No mention of the [dog fucking} scandal yet? Scandal is now confirmed as real. Only difference is some are reporting it as 'simulated' and others are reporting it as real. Still, confirmed scandal.
There has been cautious confirmation from his manager - http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/canberra-raiders-player-investigated-after-allegations-of-mad-monday-act-with-a-dog/story-e6frf3ou-1225947828961 Ashman05 ( talk) 06:38, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Are we still refusing to open this up for edits. This is a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.142.88 ( talk) 22:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
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I agree, sorry for adding, I should have read all the talk pages first. The way it is added here is perfect. Cheers CanberraBulldog ( talk) 00:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm amazed there is still nothing here, at the very least there should be a new section "Scandal/Controversy" with a sentence or two along with appropriate references. At a minimum open this up to established users. Mathmo Talk 04:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
JM is gone - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/05/3058735.htm?section=justin, the board won't put up with what he did. Cheers CanberraBulldog ( talk) 09:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
As I noted at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, there's now international coverage of this incident...it's clearly notable and worth inclusion. However, allowing an editing free-for-all on a still-brewing salacious incident seems a poor idea, too. I propose that those editors wishing to insert the information write some proposed content here, in a separate section below, complete with footnote cites. I'll insert it myself if it looks like it meets WP:NPOV/ WP:V/ WP:RS, etc. A separate section on the incident does seem appropriate as given its broad coverage, its effects on Monaghan's employment, and other team factors. — Scien tizzle 14:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Rumors? Go see the pic for yourself, its freely avaliable. It should be added to the page the sooner the better. Even if its a crimal matter and was prosecuted, it doesnt need a new article.-- 27.33.109.57 ( talk) 01:40, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
What do they mean "*simulating* a lewd act with a dog"? There's no *simulating* about it! That should be changed to *engaging in*. Lezman ( talk) 01:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding "last sentence is speculation by the press", I object to this characterization. From the cited sources:
Now, I'd be willing to suggest that of my original text
Canberra Raiders advertising sponsors 1 and National Rugby League officials 2 have placed pressure on the Canberra Raiders board to cut ties with Monaghan.
the "cut ties" portion is edging into OR territory as it requires reading the (frankly obvious) messages in between the lines. Given that the second of the two links also states "Local media have speculated that Monaghan...could have his contract cancelled", I think there's enough to state
Canberra Raiders advertising sponsors 1 and National Rugby League officials 2 have placed pressure on the Canberra Raiders board to discipline Monaghan, and local media have speculated that the team may cancel Monaghan's contract. 2
— Scien tizzle 01:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
He has just quit [6] AIRcorn (talk) 06:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I think locking an article is wrong! There is enough wikitrolls here to revert vandalism edits. It just goes against all wikipedia stands for! 220.101.4.140 ( talk) 16:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is this article being censored?
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I think the last two sentences of JM asking for a release needs to be explaned with better use of words and more explanation of the incident, when, where, etc and the cirumstances (NRL, Media, Canberra Public, team mates support, coverage, etc) leading up to his asking of a release from his final two years of his contract. Cheers CanberraBulldog ( talk) 22:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I think it was very stupid to lock the article and it would have been frowned upon had he been somewhat famous. Not everybody is trolling, these are no longer rumours, there are pics and the player himself has apologized for what he did...Which ever admin locked this article is probably a n00b (new) admin and thus doesn't realise the implications. You only lock articles like these for a day or 2, any longer and that admin can be reported to the bureaucrats....-- Stemoc ( talk) 03:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
After the end of the 2010 season, Monaghan made a request to the Canberra Raiders to release from his contract after a photograph of him simulating a lewd act with a dog was published on
Twitter.
[1]
"There are no hard feelings or grudges towards anyone else," Monaghan said. "They were my actions and I am solely responsible for the prank that has caused so much pain.
"I don't want to damage this great club, my family, the players and sponsors any more because of my stupid prank." he added.
An emotional Monaghan announced his resignation in Canberra
[2] for his prank gone wrong but was unable to finish his prepared statement after breaking down in tears.
Raiders chief executive Don Furner said and quote "He had to pay a very high price for a party prank at somebody's house that most of us - even though there's a lot of people that say they wouldn't - would get away with."
[3]
The picture in question was uploaded by someone impersonating
Wyatt Roy, a
LNP member.
[4]
This looks slightly better...-- Stemoc ( talk) 08:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
WIKIPEDIA IS UNCENSORED. Portillo ( talk) 11:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I came here to make good faith edits (fixing the representative footy dates in the infobox and mentioning his signing with Warrington but I can't.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 21:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for censoring the article. Portillo ( talk) 22:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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I understand that some would prefer to use the word "simulate" but perhaps the article should include something in brackets to say that the use of the word "simulating" completely misleads the reader as to the nature of events. Would that please both sides of the argument? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.8.196 ( talk) 05:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
No mention of the [dog fucking} scandal yet? Scandal is now confirmed as real. Only difference is some are reporting it as 'simulated' and others are reporting it as real. Still, confirmed scandal.
There has been cautious confirmation from his manager - http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/canberra-raiders-player-investigated-after-allegations-of-mad-monday-act-with-a-dog/story-e6frf3ou-1225947828961 Ashman05 ( talk) 06:38, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Are we still refusing to open this up for edits. This is a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.142.88 ( talk) 22:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Those wishing to make an edit to this page are welcome to use the {{ editprotected}} template and put forward their proposed edit for discussion on the talk page. If an admin thinks it is reasonable, then it will be added to the article. It is unlikely that any administrator will remove the page protection in the short to medium term - so if you want to change the article, you will need to go down that path. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 23:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree, sorry for adding, I should have read all the talk pages first. The way it is added here is perfect. Cheers CanberraBulldog ( talk) 00:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm amazed there is still nothing here, at the very least there should be a new section "Scandal/Controversy" with a sentence or two along with appropriate references. At a minimum open this up to established users. Mathmo Talk 04:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
JM is gone - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/05/3058735.htm?section=justin, the board won't put up with what he did. Cheers CanberraBulldog ( talk) 09:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
As I noted at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, there's now international coverage of this incident...it's clearly notable and worth inclusion. However, allowing an editing free-for-all on a still-brewing salacious incident seems a poor idea, too. I propose that those editors wishing to insert the information write some proposed content here, in a separate section below, complete with footnote cites. I'll insert it myself if it looks like it meets WP:NPOV/ WP:V/ WP:RS, etc. A separate section on the incident does seem appropriate as given its broad coverage, its effects on Monaghan's employment, and other team factors. — Scien tizzle 14:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Rumors? Go see the pic for yourself, its freely avaliable. It should be added to the page the sooner the better. Even if its a crimal matter and was prosecuted, it doesnt need a new article.-- 27.33.109.57 ( talk) 01:40, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
What do they mean "*simulating* a lewd act with a dog"? There's no *simulating* about it! That should be changed to *engaging in*. Lezman ( talk) 01:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding "last sentence is speculation by the press", I object to this characterization. From the cited sources:
Now, I'd be willing to suggest that of my original text
Canberra Raiders advertising sponsors 1 and National Rugby League officials 2 have placed pressure on the Canberra Raiders board to cut ties with Monaghan.
the "cut ties" portion is edging into OR territory as it requires reading the (frankly obvious) messages in between the lines. Given that the second of the two links also states "Local media have speculated that Monaghan...could have his contract cancelled", I think there's enough to state
Canberra Raiders advertising sponsors 1 and National Rugby League officials 2 have placed pressure on the Canberra Raiders board to discipline Monaghan, and local media have speculated that the team may cancel Monaghan's contract. 2
— Scien tizzle 01:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
He has just quit [6] AIRcorn (talk) 06:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I think locking an article is wrong! There is enough wikitrolls here to revert vandalism edits. It just goes against all wikipedia stands for! 220.101.4.140 ( talk) 16:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is this article being censored?
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How else do ppl get these? 220.101.4.140 ( talk) 16:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC) |
I think the last two sentences of JM asking for a release needs to be explaned with better use of words and more explanation of the incident, when, where, etc and the cirumstances (NRL, Media, Canberra Public, team mates support, coverage, etc) leading up to his asking of a release from his final two years of his contract. Cheers CanberraBulldog ( talk) 22:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I think it was very stupid to lock the article and it would have been frowned upon had he been somewhat famous. Not everybody is trolling, these are no longer rumours, there are pics and the player himself has apologized for what he did...Which ever admin locked this article is probably a n00b (new) admin and thus doesn't realise the implications. You only lock articles like these for a day or 2, any longer and that admin can be reported to the bureaucrats....-- Stemoc ( talk) 03:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
After the end of the 2010 season, Monaghan made a request to the Canberra Raiders to release from his contract after a photograph of him simulating a lewd act with a dog was published on
Twitter.
[1]
"There are no hard feelings or grudges towards anyone else," Monaghan said. "They were my actions and I am solely responsible for the prank that has caused so much pain.
"I don't want to damage this great club, my family, the players and sponsors any more because of my stupid prank." he added.
An emotional Monaghan announced his resignation in Canberra
[2] for his prank gone wrong but was unable to finish his prepared statement after breaking down in tears.
Raiders chief executive Don Furner said and quote "He had to pay a very high price for a party prank at somebody's house that most of us - even though there's a lot of people that say they wouldn't - would get away with."
[3]
The picture in question was uploaded by someone impersonating
Wyatt Roy, a
LNP member.
[4]
This looks slightly better...-- Stemoc ( talk) 08:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
WIKIPEDIA IS UNCENSORED. Portillo ( talk) 11:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I came here to make good faith edits (fixing the representative footy dates in the infobox and mentioning his signing with Warrington but I can't.-- Jeff79 ( talk) 21:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for censoring the article. Portillo ( talk) 22:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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