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What year did Morgan score HR #200 & steal #500, which made him first player do to it? Trekphiler 07:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Not only am I not going to respond to the last post here, but I am going to remove all mention of the attack blog from this talk page. It's archived to history. If you'd like to introduce reliably sourced material about criticism or Morgan's philosophy re: statistics, please do so - but stop inserting spammy links for the attack blog which has become so prevalent on this page. Otherwise, blocks for meatpuppetry will be coming soon. — Wknight94 ( talk) 11:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
What's worse is deleting any message about the subject in the discussion page. Fascism at its finest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.115.202.76 ( talk) 12:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The "attack blog" in question is very well-known and recognized by mainstream media (CNNSI, Newsday, NPR, among others) for both its remarkable style and its poignancy to current issues in sports journalism. Attempting to remove myself from the bias that I have as a subscriber, I find it hard to believe that it should be omitted from this particular wikipedia entry. As a broadcaster for the largest and most wide-reaching sports media company in the U.S., his opinions on sabermetrics have been heavily criticized, and thus deserve inclusion in his entry. Does a writer need to be paid by MSM to be "relevant?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.230.185 ( talk) 05:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
After posting this last comment, I checked the discussion history and see now that this argument is going nowhere. I strongly disagree with the censorship exhibited by this moderator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.230.185 ( talk) 14:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed that it is vandalism, and I also think WKnight does not show an ounce of maturity. Even if he is to claim that every Wikipedia page on a human entertainer should have no critism on it whatsoever. Is there a way to file a complaint? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.115.225.150 ( talk) 01:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Are you kidding? Fire Joe Morgan is the best source of telling you what baseball really is. I can't believe that someone is stooping so low. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.206.144.121 ( talk) 02:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Just another contributor wondering why all mention of FJM has been stricken from this article. It's patently absurd, given the coverage of FJM by mainstream sources such at the NYT. Ridiculous. Leuchars ( talk) 21:15, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Mark me up as another one flummoxed as to why FJM is insufficiently notable. Google Fire Joe Morgan. It's been covered all over the place. Beyond that, it's not really an attack blog aimed at Joe Morgan, despite the name. It's a journalism criticism site, and it's extremely reputable. Of course, it's no longer active, so that's a drawback, but it actually occupied a place in sports journalism history at this point, and saying it doesn't is patently absurd. Ginsengbomb ( talk) 19:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, okay, all the love for FJM by media elites and the fanboys on here aside, I doubt few outside that small circle has ever heard of the short lived FJM. It really *isn't* all that notable, but I see all the garbage about it is back on the page anyway.
Morgan, an Emmy-award-winning broadcaster for ESPN earned his bachelor's degree from California State University of Hayward in 1990.
The Baseball Hall of Famer and two-time National League "Most Valuable Player" accepted another honor-from academia-when presented with an honorary doctorate of Humane Letters from California State University, East Bay on June 14, 2008
Morgan, who promised his parents before signing a professional baseball contract that he would finish his college education when his playing career was over, got emotional when Cal State East Bay President Mo Qayoumi conferred the honorary doctorate degree upon him before the several thousand attending the commencement.
"I've always felt that the quality of your life is directly related to the quality of your education... If you continue your education, I believe you'll continue to improve the quality of your life." -Joe Morgan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.219.81.146 ( talk) 18:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
While the primary focus on Morgan as a ballplayer is laudable, I must admit that I was surprised to find no mention of his well-publicized comments regarding Billy Beane and Moneyball. I would have been bold and added them myself, but I thought there might be some conscious reason why Morgan's central role in the controversy surrounding Moneyball wasn't mentioned. Maybe this information was deleted wholesale with the FireJoeMorgan stuff? That would be understandable, though regrettable, since Morgan's outspoken distaste for sabermetrics and Lewis's book was the original basis for the blog.
Be that as it may, Morgan is widely known as perhaps the single most vociferous opponent of the book and of Billy Beane's approach, and this-- unless there is something I am not understanding-- seems to merit inclusion. A more thorough discussion may be more appropriate for the page on Moneyball itself, but it does seem that Joe Morgan's central role in the controversy surrounding this book should at least be mentioned. -- Kajerm ( talk) 12:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
For such a great guy, it sucks that theres a whole section on the lawsuit, which is a minor and insignificant part of his life. smooth0707 ( talk) 02:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
smooth0707 ( talk) 21:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)In 1988, Morgan was detained at Los Angeles International Airport, being accused as a drug dealer. [1] He was released when the Los Angeles Police Department realized their mistake in identity. Morgan filed a civil suit when he was denied the opportunity to file a formal complaint against the police department and was awarded $800,000 in 1993 by the Los Angeles City Council.
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I'm not sure what the purpose of the long quote about Bill James and Roger Hornsby is supposed to prove. James bias against Hornsby is widely known to have nothing to do with sabremetrics except for some isolated fielding metrics, and is mainly related to stories of Hornsby being a complete prick. In statistical circles he is also long considered to have been some kind of personal grudge against Hornsby. I distinctly remember James saying that Hornsby was perhaps the biggest "horse's ass" in baseball history. Quadzilla99 ( talk) 10:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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In his current broadcasting career, he has also been successful, winning a CableACE award in 1990 and Emmy awards for sports analysis in 1998 and 2005, neither of which he deserved. Morgan started his broadcasting career in 1985 for the Cincinnati Reds and has become less intelligent by the comment. Morgan has been diagnosed with baseball amnesia, a disease which fellow color commentator Tim McCarver also suffers. The disease is hard to spot because its only symptom is the gradual loss of baseball knowledge. |
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What year did Morgan score HR #200 & steal #500, which made him first player do to it? Trekphiler 07:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Not only am I not going to respond to the last post here, but I am going to remove all mention of the attack blog from this talk page. It's archived to history. If you'd like to introduce reliably sourced material about criticism or Morgan's philosophy re: statistics, please do so - but stop inserting spammy links for the attack blog which has become so prevalent on this page. Otherwise, blocks for meatpuppetry will be coming soon. — Wknight94 ( talk) 11:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
What's worse is deleting any message about the subject in the discussion page. Fascism at its finest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.115.202.76 ( talk) 12:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The "attack blog" in question is very well-known and recognized by mainstream media (CNNSI, Newsday, NPR, among others) for both its remarkable style and its poignancy to current issues in sports journalism. Attempting to remove myself from the bias that I have as a subscriber, I find it hard to believe that it should be omitted from this particular wikipedia entry. As a broadcaster for the largest and most wide-reaching sports media company in the U.S., his opinions on sabermetrics have been heavily criticized, and thus deserve inclusion in his entry. Does a writer need to be paid by MSM to be "relevant?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.230.185 ( talk) 05:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
After posting this last comment, I checked the discussion history and see now that this argument is going nowhere. I strongly disagree with the censorship exhibited by this moderator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.230.185 ( talk) 14:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed that it is vandalism, and I also think WKnight does not show an ounce of maturity. Even if he is to claim that every Wikipedia page on a human entertainer should have no critism on it whatsoever. Is there a way to file a complaint? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.115.225.150 ( talk) 01:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Are you kidding? Fire Joe Morgan is the best source of telling you what baseball really is. I can't believe that someone is stooping so low. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.206.144.121 ( talk) 02:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Just another contributor wondering why all mention of FJM has been stricken from this article. It's patently absurd, given the coverage of FJM by mainstream sources such at the NYT. Ridiculous. Leuchars ( talk) 21:15, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Mark me up as another one flummoxed as to why FJM is insufficiently notable. Google Fire Joe Morgan. It's been covered all over the place. Beyond that, it's not really an attack blog aimed at Joe Morgan, despite the name. It's a journalism criticism site, and it's extremely reputable. Of course, it's no longer active, so that's a drawback, but it actually occupied a place in sports journalism history at this point, and saying it doesn't is patently absurd. Ginsengbomb ( talk) 19:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, okay, all the love for FJM by media elites and the fanboys on here aside, I doubt few outside that small circle has ever heard of the short lived FJM. It really *isn't* all that notable, but I see all the garbage about it is back on the page anyway.
Morgan, an Emmy-award-winning broadcaster for ESPN earned his bachelor's degree from California State University of Hayward in 1990.
The Baseball Hall of Famer and two-time National League "Most Valuable Player" accepted another honor-from academia-when presented with an honorary doctorate of Humane Letters from California State University, East Bay on June 14, 2008
Morgan, who promised his parents before signing a professional baseball contract that he would finish his college education when his playing career was over, got emotional when Cal State East Bay President Mo Qayoumi conferred the honorary doctorate degree upon him before the several thousand attending the commencement.
"I've always felt that the quality of your life is directly related to the quality of your education... If you continue your education, I believe you'll continue to improve the quality of your life." -Joe Morgan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.219.81.146 ( talk) 18:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
While the primary focus on Morgan as a ballplayer is laudable, I must admit that I was surprised to find no mention of his well-publicized comments regarding Billy Beane and Moneyball. I would have been bold and added them myself, but I thought there might be some conscious reason why Morgan's central role in the controversy surrounding Moneyball wasn't mentioned. Maybe this information was deleted wholesale with the FireJoeMorgan stuff? That would be understandable, though regrettable, since Morgan's outspoken distaste for sabermetrics and Lewis's book was the original basis for the blog.
Be that as it may, Morgan is widely known as perhaps the single most vociferous opponent of the book and of Billy Beane's approach, and this-- unless there is something I am not understanding-- seems to merit inclusion. A more thorough discussion may be more appropriate for the page on Moneyball itself, but it does seem that Joe Morgan's central role in the controversy surrounding this book should at least be mentioned. -- Kajerm ( talk) 12:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
For such a great guy, it sucks that theres a whole section on the lawsuit, which is a minor and insignificant part of his life. smooth0707 ( talk) 02:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
smooth0707 ( talk) 21:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)In 1988, Morgan was detained at Los Angeles International Airport, being accused as a drug dealer. [1] He was released when the Los Angeles Police Department realized their mistake in identity. Morgan filed a civil suit when he was denied the opportunity to file a formal complaint against the police department and was awarded $800,000 in 1993 by the Los Angeles City Council.
References
I'm not sure what the purpose of the long quote about Bill James and Roger Hornsby is supposed to prove. James bias against Hornsby is widely known to have nothing to do with sabremetrics except for some isolated fielding metrics, and is mainly related to stories of Hornsby being a complete prick. In statistical circles he is also long considered to have been some kind of personal grudge against Hornsby. I distinctly remember James saying that Hornsby was perhaps the biggest "horse's ass" in baseball history. Quadzilla99 ( talk) 10:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Joe Morgan/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
There are a few overly negative, uncited opinions on the Joe Morgan page. I suspect some angry fanboy is responsible for this graffiti. I've copied the comments below:
In his current broadcasting career, he has also been successful, winning a CableACE award in 1990 and Emmy awards for sports analysis in 1998 and 2005, neither of which he deserved. Morgan started his broadcasting career in 1985 for the Cincinnati Reds and has become less intelligent by the comment. Morgan has been diagnosed with baseball amnesia, a disease which fellow color commentator Tim McCarver also suffers. The disease is hard to spot because its only symptom is the gradual loss of baseball knowledge. |
Last edited at 01:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 20:00, 29 April 2016 (UTC)