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I am aware of Richard Bong and many of the other top fighter pilots of WWII.
The title 'Ace of Aces' was originally ascribed to Eddie Rickenbacker, America's top scoring ace of WWI. His twenty-six victories was remarkable. In the early phases of World War II it was not known if any US pilot would match it. In the fourteen weeks between October 9 1942 and January 15 1943 Joe racked up 26 confirmed kills and 16 probables (enemy plane smoking and earth bound when it left the fight). For six of these fourteen weeks Joe was grounded, incapacitated by malaria and combat wounds. Joe was the first US pilot to reach twenty-six kills. Upon reaching Rickenbacker's record he was sent home and was awarded the Medal of Honor. It was at this time that newscaster Lowell Thomas first called Foss "the American ace of aces". It was in compliment to Foss' success, an Eddie Rickenbacker level fighter pilot for the Second World War. Later in the war other pilots reached and exceeded Rickenbacker's record, but Joe did it first and he did it in just eight weeks of combat flying.
Here is a quote from Leatherneck Magazine dated June 1943: http://www.mca-marines.org/leatherneck/joe-foss-no-1-ace
Afterwards, the Navy had no intention of repeating the loss of a Medal of Honor recipient, as they had with Butch O'Hare, and they declined to return Joe to combat, finding other various duties for him stateside. Finally in 1944 Joe managed to get himself back to the Pacific for a second tour, this time as CO of VMF 115. He ended the war as the second highest scoring Marine aviator, though review of the records clearly show that Pappy Boyington's 28 included four probables (aircraft Boyington claimed while flying for the AVG but for which he was not paid, i.e. not confirmed kills), and the last two kills Boyington was credited with from his last mission in which he was shot down were never confirmed. Marion Carl argued that the Marine Corps should correct the record, but it never did.
Searching "Joe Foss"+"Ace of Aces" yielded 21,700 results in 0.18 seconds. Here are a few of those references:
http://www.sfairport.com/foss.php
http://www.mccookgazette.com/story/1745253.html
http://www.sddot.com/fpa/aeronautics/general_history.asp
http://www.andthereiwas.com/joefoss/la_times_obit.html
I believe the moniker 'Ace of Aces' can be applied to more than one pilot. Regardless, the historical record clearly shows that during the war and in the days since Joe Foss was repeatedly referred to by this title, and appropriately so. In fact, if you refer to the info box on Wikipedia's Joe Foss page, you will find it is listed as one of Joe's nick names. Gunbirddriver ( talk) 07:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Nice Zookpax ( talk) 18:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi I am new Zookpax ( talk) 18:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
On his father's death, multiple sources state his father had been electrocuted by a downed powerline in a thunderstorm. I read somewhere that it was Joe that had found his father's body. In an article written by R.R. Keen, Master Gunnery Sergeant R. R. Keene, USMC (Ret), Associate Editor of Leatherneck Magazine, titled "Old" Joe Foss, he states Joe's father was killed in a farming accident. I assumed he was on the farm when he was electrocuted in the storm. I saw you cited the Sims piece. Perhaps we need to find another source to clarify this event? Gunbirddriver ( talk) 23:52, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
"lack of respect for a war hero, all demonstrated poor judgment on the part of airport security personnel"....
This is an opinion rather than a fact, specially considering that at the time security was heightened at airports due to 9/11 being recent....someone can say the security was just doing their job and that he should have just removed his medals and asked for them to be returned, as I am sure not all Medal of Honor recipients had their medals destroyed at airports.... Antonio Suga Baby Martin say you, say me 9:05, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means that articles should not give minority views as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views.
It can be found in the body of the text in Chapter V: The Many Forms of Valor. Here is a link, but the page number is not clearly indicated:
I have added a second reference which also documents the Foss quote. Gunbirddriver ( talk) 17:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
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File:Fossbook.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 20:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am aware of Richard Bong and many of the other top fighter pilots of WWII.
The title 'Ace of Aces' was originally ascribed to Eddie Rickenbacker, America's top scoring ace of WWI. His twenty-six victories was remarkable. In the early phases of World War II it was not known if any US pilot would match it. In the fourteen weeks between October 9 1942 and January 15 1943 Joe racked up 26 confirmed kills and 16 probables (enemy plane smoking and earth bound when it left the fight). For six of these fourteen weeks Joe was grounded, incapacitated by malaria and combat wounds. Joe was the first US pilot to reach twenty-six kills. Upon reaching Rickenbacker's record he was sent home and was awarded the Medal of Honor. It was at this time that newscaster Lowell Thomas first called Foss "the American ace of aces". It was in compliment to Foss' success, an Eddie Rickenbacker level fighter pilot for the Second World War. Later in the war other pilots reached and exceeded Rickenbacker's record, but Joe did it first and he did it in just eight weeks of combat flying.
Here is a quote from Leatherneck Magazine dated June 1943: http://www.mca-marines.org/leatherneck/joe-foss-no-1-ace
Afterwards, the Navy had no intention of repeating the loss of a Medal of Honor recipient, as they had with Butch O'Hare, and they declined to return Joe to combat, finding other various duties for him stateside. Finally in 1944 Joe managed to get himself back to the Pacific for a second tour, this time as CO of VMF 115. He ended the war as the second highest scoring Marine aviator, though review of the records clearly show that Pappy Boyington's 28 included four probables (aircraft Boyington claimed while flying for the AVG but for which he was not paid, i.e. not confirmed kills), and the last two kills Boyington was credited with from his last mission in which he was shot down were never confirmed. Marion Carl argued that the Marine Corps should correct the record, but it never did.
Searching "Joe Foss"+"Ace of Aces" yielded 21,700 results in 0.18 seconds. Here are a few of those references:
http://www.sfairport.com/foss.php
http://www.mccookgazette.com/story/1745253.html
http://www.sddot.com/fpa/aeronautics/general_history.asp
http://www.andthereiwas.com/joefoss/la_times_obit.html
I believe the moniker 'Ace of Aces' can be applied to more than one pilot. Regardless, the historical record clearly shows that during the war and in the days since Joe Foss was repeatedly referred to by this title, and appropriately so. In fact, if you refer to the info box on Wikipedia's Joe Foss page, you will find it is listed as one of Joe's nick names. Gunbirddriver ( talk) 07:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Nice Zookpax ( talk) 18:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi I am new Zookpax ( talk) 18:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
On his father's death, multiple sources state his father had been electrocuted by a downed powerline in a thunderstorm. I read somewhere that it was Joe that had found his father's body. In an article written by R.R. Keen, Master Gunnery Sergeant R. R. Keene, USMC (Ret), Associate Editor of Leatherneck Magazine, titled "Old" Joe Foss, he states Joe's father was killed in a farming accident. I assumed he was on the farm when he was electrocuted in the storm. I saw you cited the Sims piece. Perhaps we need to find another source to clarify this event? Gunbirddriver ( talk) 23:52, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
"lack of respect for a war hero, all demonstrated poor judgment on the part of airport security personnel"....
This is an opinion rather than a fact, specially considering that at the time security was heightened at airports due to 9/11 being recent....someone can say the security was just doing their job and that he should have just removed his medals and asked for them to be returned, as I am sure not all Medal of Honor recipients had their medals destroyed at airports.... Antonio Suga Baby Martin say you, say me 9:05, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means that articles should not give minority views as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views.
It can be found in the body of the text in Chapter V: The Many Forms of Valor. Here is a link, but the page number is not clearly indicated:
I have added a second reference which also documents the Foss quote. Gunbirddriver ( talk) 17:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
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The website arlingtoncemetery.net has been removed from the article. It does mention specific news stories, and those stories are now in the article further reading section. However, the dot net website itself is NOT a Reliable Source. It is WP:SPS with WP:LINKVIO. – S. Rich ( talk) 22:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)