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Add the following: On July 17, 2010, the Federal Election Commission fined the Biden Campaign $219,000 for campaign finance violations. http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/17/biden.campaign.fine/index.html?hpt=T1
The Biden campaign says it is commonplace but a google search reveals this is political spin. Other campaigns have been fined but usually not so much. Hillary Clinton got a $35,000 fine but that was considered big. Some cases, the FEC doesn't even bother with. http://www.fec.gov/press/press2006/20060126mur.html
Biden supporters should not claim that this bad news should not be here by using a lot of excuses. One sentence will not overwhelm the article. This is missing ( talk) 23:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
The article contains no discussion of the question why such a standout athlete would suddenly suffer asthma symptoms when faced with the prospect of being drafted and sent to Vietnam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.149.170 ( talk) 04:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Reference this entry under the “Early life and education” section: “Biden received five student draft deferments during this period, with the first coming in late 1963 and the last in early 1968, at the peak of the Vietnam War.[16] In April 1968, he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as not available for service due to having had asthma as a teenager.[16]”
I it is alledged on various Internet sources that the reason Biden did not release his full medical records during the campaign was they would reveal the extent to which he went to avoid military induction once he received his draft notice. Although in his best-selling memoir, “Promises to Keep,” he recounted his active childhood, working as a lifeguard and excelling at high school football, he never mentions asthma. It is also alleged that what actually happened was by the time Biden finally got his draft notice in ‘68, he was already a lawyer so knew how to “manipulate the system.” His asthma was not detected during his draft physical but rather Biden appealed his induction by submitting "documentation" from a “private physician” notorious for “discovering” disqualifying features for well connected patients after they were notified for induction.
If true, Biden makes Bush look like a war hero and it should definitely be included in his bio in the same manner in which their Vietnam-era conduct is discussed in the Bush and Cheney pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.199.18 ( talk) 19:20, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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I think the US Senator box should go above all of his Senate Chairmanships and under VP. It just looks better. When people think of him besides VP they think of Senator. Plus it is his longest serving office and arguably more important than Senate Chairmanships. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicsislife ( talk • contribs) 04:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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As Joe Biden's is of Catholic Irish heritage his roots come from county Derry. If he was of Protestant northern Irish or British heritage his roots would have come from county Londonderry.
Eamonn81 ( talk) 02:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Will Biden become Obamas running mate in 2012 as well or is he going to be replaced as VP if Obama is sucessfull in election? Perhaps some information about this could be added in the article. Jerchel ( talk) 18:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
He is listed as the 47th President of The United States (underneath his photograph). He is obviously the 47th Vice-President. This needs to be changed. [07:40, August 4, 2011 70.100.121.98]
Biden has been criticized for being "totally unprepared for that post, which will lead the U.S. into a crisis." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.58.181.125 ( talk) 16:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Include citation from paraphrased quote to original source. Under Presidential Campaigns -> 1988, change the sentence "It was also revealed that when earlier questioned by a New Hampshire resident ... received three degrees in college." to "Video was released showing that when earlier questioned by a New Hampshire resident ... received three degrees in college.<ref>[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho C-SPAN video], 1988 Road to the White House with Sen. Biden , via youtube.com</ref>" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snsh ( talk • contribs) 16:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
JOE SAID FUCK IN THE WHITE HOUSE HOW COME HE DOESNT HAVE A CRITICISM PAGE HES SAID SOME STUPID AND OFFENSIVE THINGS WE NEED TO PUT THEM IN THERE RIGHT? [08:27, May 27, 2012 68.226.116.154]
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i am awesome i love me it is cool joier lhr [jot6suhJddf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.38.116 ( talk) 01:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The narrative of Vice President Biden's years in school are clearly from a right-winger who is more interested in slander than accuracy. Please have this reviewed for obvious bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.1.89 ( talk) 23:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
There is a sentence that says Joe Biden was a single father for five years. He was never a single father; he was a widowed father.
A single man or woman is a man or woman who has never been married. Likewise, a single mother or a single father is a mother or father who has never been married.
A person who is divorced or widowed is not "single" (except for tax purposes) but "unmarried".
It's an important legal distinction, particularly in real estate documents - especially in community property jurisdictions.
The sentence should be changed from "single father" to "widowed father". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.62.103 ( talk) 05:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
This article has long had a problem with lack of chronological flow in places. In particular, the 1988 presidential campaign section occurs after his entire Senate career, which means it is woefully out of context. Furthermore, if he runs for president again in 2016, which is quite possible, the current organization would have us put a 2016 presidential campaign section before any of the sections on his vice presidency, which is ridiculous (and if we move the Presidential campaigns sections further down, the 2008 presidential campaign would come after his 2008 vice presidential campaign, which is equally bad).
So I have done a reorganization of the material in the central part of the article to be more chronological. The presidential/vice presidential campaigns that occur during his Senate career are presented as subsections to it. (This approach has worked well in articles like Ted Kennedy and George McGovern.) To make it easier to follow, this big edit that does the reshuffling does not add or remove any material at all, just change its location (including putting some really peripheral material into Notes). After that I'll add a couple of things to make the adjusted sections have more thematic coherence. To be sure, the article still isn't fully chronological, but nor should it be - given his long Senate career, some aspects and characteristics of that career are best dealt with grouped together over time. But the biographical flow of the article is a lot better now than it was before. Wasted Time R ( talk) 03:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Joe Biden does not live in Wilmington. He lives in Greenville, Delaware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.171.125.13 ( talk) 19:12, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Under a photograph of Biden during his senate years, the caption says that the photo was taken in the "late-mid 2000s". Personally, that doesn't make sense to say "late-mid". The photo was taken in 2006. I don't understand why the caption doesn't just say "in the mid 2000s".
Realkeithnagy ( talk) 00:51, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
I propose removing the privatization of Social Security, which is no longer a viable political issue, from the "Political positions" section, and replacing it with a new paragraph with one sentence each on Biden's positions on taxation of the wealthy, deficit stimulus spending, infrastructure spending, military spending, student loan forgiveness, the Earned Income Tax Credit, same sex marriage, marijuana legalization, universal health care, renewable energy subsidies, fossil fuel subsidies, campaign finance reform, capital punishment, big bank divestiture ("too big to fail"), and mass transit, which are all more current political issues which readers are far more likely to care about. EllenCT ( talk) 20:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
How is this? The non-ref text is less than half as long as either of the other two paragraphs in the section. I should point out that there appear to be 21 separate organizations listed on [1] who have given Biden a percentage rating score, so it would be far more cumbersome to include those in the existing ratings paragraphs (although, how about a table?) than to select the issues which the current electorate cares most about. EllenCT ( talk) 00:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
This is just fluff. It is also original research in deciding which positions to report. How about his position on Iranian nuclear ambitions? How about his position on polygamy? How about his position on Canada? How about his position on bin Laden?
Better would be a section on how his positions differ from Obama.
Joe Biden's son and Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden shed some light on his VP father's thoughts on making a 2016 run at the presidency.
“It’s no secret that he’s thinking about this,” Beau Biden told the New York Times. “I’m glad he’s thinking about this. But he hasn’t made up his mind.”
http://www.carbonated.tv/news/beau-biden-on-joe-biden-its-no-secret-hes-thinking-about-2016-presidential-race ObamaIsTheGreatest ( talk) 23:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I promise I will improve the table as much as possible with the source you found, but please forgive me if it takes a few days. I'm frustrated with being called a liar on a different topic I am 100% mathematically certain about and have been studying for years. It is clearly raising my blood pressure and I just want to sleep first. EllenCT ( talk) 17:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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Raw vote numbers for Biden's electoral history do not match wikipedia page for "United States presidential election, 2012" (citations provided on that page). Currently this page shows 65,899,557 (Biden) vs 60,931,959 (Ryan). Should be 65,915,796 (Biden) vs 60,933,500 (Ryan). Chlimouj ( talk) 19:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Done That is a summary of another article and the citation change needed to be done there. I've updated both articles. Thanks, Celestra ( talk) 03:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-defends-biden-from-brutal-gates-hit-002831719.html
Are the ex-SOD's comments about Biden notable? Hcobb ( talk) 08:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I think this article needs as much protection as, and a long as, we can handle, because of the recent criticism against the subject from Robert Gates. Any comments? Bearian ( talk) 17:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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"It wasn’t anything we legislatively did. It was ‘Will and Grace,’ it was the social media. Literally. That’s what changed peoples’ attitudes. That’s why I was so certain that the vast majority of people would embrace and rapidly embrace” gay marriage, Biden said.
“Think behind of all that, I bet you 85 percent of those changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry. The influence is immense, the influence is immense. And, I might add, it is all to the good.”
A reference to this quote should be included either in this article or if not this one then the "political positions" article. John Martin Walker ( talk) 22:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Your respond is typical liberalism. I'm sure you will rush to credit the Mormons, and the (literal)Eskimos, and Jesse Jackson, and people from Appalachia, for the triumph of homosexual rights. After all, I'm sure you can point to some gay Mormon as evidence, because even one exception renders generalizations meaningless. And you refer implicitly to the Jews as a "religious group." Few of the secular Jews that Biden seems to think live in Hollywood believe in any religion. John Martin Walker ( talk) 23:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
What he said was truly extraordinary, no other politician has ever said anything like it. It obviously deserves to be cited. Here is but one of many "reliable sources" that can be used to cite his quote:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html Nine Er Nine Er ( talk) 03:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
His comments about Hollywood and Jewish influence should be in the article. Here are some sources to cite:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/22/biden-jewish-leaders-helped-gay-marriage-succeed/?wprss=rss_election-2012 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-talks-outsized-influence-jews-influence-immense_728765.html?google_editors_picks=true http://news.yahoo.com/biden-jewish-leaders-drove-gay-012202293.html http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/349155/joe-biden-attributes-social-liberalism-jewish-control-hollywood-%E2%80%98social-media%E2%80%99-patrick Dennis Alloire ( talk) 02:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
The text that links to Joe Biden's twitter feed should be "@JoeBiden", not "@Joe Biden" to correspond with the username of his twitter feed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.154.248 ( talk) 23:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
As this is a major publication which does an ongoing series on Biden, also reported in NY Times, I think it deserves its own section or at least a mention in main article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/business/media/11biden.html?_r=0 http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/biden-getting-an-autobiography-from-the-onion-whether-he-wants-it-or-not/ http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/style/a-biden-moment.html?pagewanted=all http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/biden-ny-times-homepage_n_781813.html
http://www.theonion.com/channels/joseph-biden/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-gets-grow-light-delivered-to-white-house-und,36597/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-frantically-hitting-up-cabinet-members-for-c,34515/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-has-guy-named-worm-sit-in-for-him-at-cabinet,33250/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-to-cool-his-heels-in-mexico-for-a-while,17996/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:6F00:538:9CA:E037:BEFD:3674 ( talk) 17:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I find this:
"The Bidens are Roman Catholics and regularly attend Mass at St. Joseph on the Brandywine in Greenville, Delaware."
OK, but you may want to reword this to refer to his time as Senator, with no comment intended on his time (still current when I wrote the message you are reading) as Vice President. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.47 ( talk) 18:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
It's notable that in 2010 (after the Democrats lost the House) and 2014 (after the Democrats lost the Senate) the President went overseas while Biden stood in for the Veterans Day ceremonies at Arlington National Cemetery. 66.67.32.161 ( talk) 16:10, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I think it is significantly noteworthy that Biden has developed a reputation of being very "touchy-feely" with women and girls. http://www.newsy.com/videos/biden-gets-too-close-for-comfort-again/
I just don't know how to add this to the article in a politically correct way. It is noteworthy for the following reasons. 1) His behavior has entered into popular culture. 2) He isn't this way with men, boys. 3) Its clearly unsettling and frequent. Gabefair ( talk) 20:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
It should be noted that the vice president's frequent inappropriateness is likely attributable to the worsening brain damage from which he suffers. (He underwent two aneurism operations in early 1988 - as the Wiki presently states.) To NOT acknowledge this is indicative of bias. (Even the word "brain" seems awkwardly avoided in the entry's text.)
It's rather pointless to expect more than just a passing, euphemistic reference to such Jozo's behavior in Wikipedia. The same kind of "impartial" lefties who dominate Wikipedia dominate "impartial" journalism. And they dominate "nonpartisan" comedy shows like Saturday Night Live, which tonight opened with a lengthy Rudy G. slam skit, had a hard-hitting on Trump, & then had a brief, soft bit about Biden's forts, so they could claim they didn't ignore Biden being in the news recently with his dirty old man buffoonery during the Ashton Carton speech. If you don't believe me, consider the nearly 30-year record of Jozo saying hundreds of ridiculous things, including demeaning things about Indians, blacks, & woman, not to mention dozens of unwanted touch of women and teen girls. Keep that in mind, read the Dan Quayle BLP (biography article) here about a handful of things he said over 4 1/2 years that were dumb, mangled, or that lefty journalists simply didn't like, read this article immediately after, and you'll see why I say expecting more here is pointless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.37.243.153 ( talk) 06:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Under personal details, daughter Naomi should also have a parenthetical citation (deceased). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.13.44 ( talk) 02:27, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
For continuity, daughter Naomi's year of death should be included in the parenthetical citation to match with Beau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.148.31 ( talk) 03:29, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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In Family and Early Political Career section-- Current text: On August 27, 1966, Biden, while still a law student, married Hunter....[23] Suggest "married Neilia Hunter...." This edit will aid in reading whether as stand alone section or just ease of narrative flow.
108.201.221.171 ( talk) 16:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the lead says he "became the sixth-youngest senator in U.S. history." This strikes me not just as way too trivial for the lead, but also misleading. It's misleading because he started in the Senate at the age of 30, and there were 17 other US Senators who also started at age 30 or younger (it's customary to say that two people who are 30 are the same age). See Byrd, Robert and Wolff, Wendy. Senate, 1789-1989: Historical Statistics, 1789-1992, Volume 4, p. 285 (Government Printing Office 1993). Anythingyouwant ( talk) 01:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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@ Professor JR:Today, this edit removed an alleged "editorializing opinion". The removed parenthetical stated "further plagiarism accusations would later derail his 1988 presidential bid". I disagree with the removal, and with the characterization of the removal, and will rephrase and restore it. The issue of plagiarism unambiguously recurred later in his career, in 1988. When it did so, many reliable sources in 1988 (and subsequently) referred back to the incident in law school, which thus became far more notable. Wikipedia BLPs rarely adhere to such a rigidly chronological format that they cannot connect related events that are separated in time. For better worse, this is such an instance. There's nothing editorializing or opinionated about it, as the cited sources show. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 12:45, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Professor JR: We have reliable sources that give his class rank, and this info was included in this Wikipedia article for a long time until today. This BLP gives details like the fact that he double majored in history and political science, that he got his BA in 1965, that classmates were impressed by his cramming abilities, that he played halfback in college, that he received a half scholarship, etcetera. So I don't see why not to mention that he graduated 506th of 688 in his college class, and 76th of 85 in his law school class. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 13:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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John McCain article says: "He came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel and did not always obey the rules, which contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899), despite a high
IQ." The
Mitt Romney article says: "He earned a Bachelor of Arts in English with highest honors in 1971, giving commencement addresses to both the College of Humanities and to the whole of BYU....He graduated in 1975 cum laude from the law school, in the top third of that class, and was named a Baker Scholarfor graduating in the top five percent of his business school class." The
Hillary Clinton article says: "she was a
National Merit Finalist and graduated in the top five percent of her class of 1965....In 1969, she graduated with a Bachelor of Arts, with departmental honors in political science...." If some of the other candidate articles at Wikipedia don't include anything about class rank, it may be because they haven't made the information available.
Generally speaking, there are hundreds of Wikipedia biographical articles that give class rank, such as these:
Hundreds more are in these Wikipedia search results. Incidentally, I am not the one who initially inserted this class rank information here at this Wikipedia article, but it does seem entirely appropriate. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 13:32, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
"not included in BLP's of other candidates -- why here?"
"If some of the other candidate articles at Wikipedia don't include anything about class rank ..."
Candidate for WHAT? Certainly not for president. Biden is NOT a candidate for president. --- Dagme ( talk) 15:24, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Update needed for fact that Biden was invited to the upcoming CNN October Democratic debate on extraordinary terms - he only need decide to formally run the day of the debate to be included on the dias. The Article should state that it was reported that Biden had not yet decided to run and that it was reported he felt he may not have time to prepare for the debate at the same time as organizing his potential run. The article should also be updated to report that Biden has begun to receive donor support from a number of significant donors previously committed to Hillary Clinton and that these defections prompted very active outreach by Clinton staffers to defend their funding base's commitment. These items the current news through October 6, 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.73.211 ( talk) 02:10, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Here's the text from the source to support this edit:
"Biden was an original believer in the epic project of nation-building in Afghanistan. “Whatever it takes, we should do it,” he said soon after the Taliban government in Kabul was toppled in 2001." CFredkin ( talk) 17:01, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
The same source is ref'd for 3 different bombings in the article, but only mentions 2:
1. Article: Once the Bosnian War broke out, Biden was among the first to call for the "lift and strike" policy of lifting the arms embargo, training Bosnian Muslims and supporting them with NATO air strikes, and investigating war crimes.
Source: He was among the first to advocate lifting the arms embargo on the Bosnian Muslims and supporting them with NATO air power, a policy known as "lift and strike."
2. Article: The 1995 NATO bombing campaign in Bosnia and Herzegovina then led to the Dayton Agreement...
3. Article: In 1999, during the Kosovo War, Biden supported the NATO bombing campaign against Serbia and Montenegro..
Source: When President Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia cracked down on Albanian separatists in Kosovo, Biden supported the NATO bombing campaign to force Serbian troops to leave the breakaway province.
I'm planning to remove #2 until a source can be found. CFredkin ( talk) 21:07, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Is this the first time two consecutive Vice Presidents have not sought the presidency? Just curious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.9.164 ( talk) 20:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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Add the following: On July 17, 2010, the Federal Election Commission fined the Biden Campaign $219,000 for campaign finance violations. http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/17/biden.campaign.fine/index.html?hpt=T1
The Biden campaign says it is commonplace but a google search reveals this is political spin. Other campaigns have been fined but usually not so much. Hillary Clinton got a $35,000 fine but that was considered big. Some cases, the FEC doesn't even bother with. http://www.fec.gov/press/press2006/20060126mur.html
Biden supporters should not claim that this bad news should not be here by using a lot of excuses. One sentence will not overwhelm the article. This is missing ( talk) 23:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
The article contains no discussion of the question why such a standout athlete would suddenly suffer asthma symptoms when faced with the prospect of being drafted and sent to Vietnam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.149.170 ( talk) 04:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Reference this entry under the “Early life and education” section: “Biden received five student draft deferments during this period, with the first coming in late 1963 and the last in early 1968, at the peak of the Vietnam War.[16] In April 1968, he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as not available for service due to having had asthma as a teenager.[16]”
I it is alledged on various Internet sources that the reason Biden did not release his full medical records during the campaign was they would reveal the extent to which he went to avoid military induction once he received his draft notice. Although in his best-selling memoir, “Promises to Keep,” he recounted his active childhood, working as a lifeguard and excelling at high school football, he never mentions asthma. It is also alleged that what actually happened was by the time Biden finally got his draft notice in ‘68, he was already a lawyer so knew how to “manipulate the system.” His asthma was not detected during his draft physical but rather Biden appealed his induction by submitting "documentation" from a “private physician” notorious for “discovering” disqualifying features for well connected patients after they were notified for induction.
If true, Biden makes Bush look like a war hero and it should definitely be included in his bio in the same manner in which their Vietnam-era conduct is discussed in the Bush and Cheney pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.199.18 ( talk) 19:20, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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I think the US Senator box should go above all of his Senate Chairmanships and under VP. It just looks better. When people think of him besides VP they think of Senator. Plus it is his longest serving office and arguably more important than Senate Chairmanships. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicsislife ( talk • contribs) 04:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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As Joe Biden's is of Catholic Irish heritage his roots come from county Derry. If he was of Protestant northern Irish or British heritage his roots would have come from county Londonderry.
Eamonn81 ( talk) 02:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Will Biden become Obamas running mate in 2012 as well or is he going to be replaced as VP if Obama is sucessfull in election? Perhaps some information about this could be added in the article. Jerchel ( talk) 18:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
He is listed as the 47th President of The United States (underneath his photograph). He is obviously the 47th Vice-President. This needs to be changed. [07:40, August 4, 2011 70.100.121.98]
Biden has been criticized for being "totally unprepared for that post, which will lead the U.S. into a crisis." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.58.181.125 ( talk) 16:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Include citation from paraphrased quote to original source. Under Presidential Campaigns -> 1988, change the sentence "It was also revealed that when earlier questioned by a New Hampshire resident ... received three degrees in college." to "Video was released showing that when earlier questioned by a New Hampshire resident ... received three degrees in college.<ref>[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho C-SPAN video], 1988 Road to the White House with Sen. Biden , via youtube.com</ref>" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snsh ( talk • contribs) 16:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
JOE SAID FUCK IN THE WHITE HOUSE HOW COME HE DOESNT HAVE A CRITICISM PAGE HES SAID SOME STUPID AND OFFENSIVE THINGS WE NEED TO PUT THEM IN THERE RIGHT? [08:27, May 27, 2012 68.226.116.154]
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i am awesome i love me it is cool joier lhr [jot6suhJddf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.38.116 ( talk) 01:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The narrative of Vice President Biden's years in school are clearly from a right-winger who is more interested in slander than accuracy. Please have this reviewed for obvious bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.1.89 ( talk) 23:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
There is a sentence that says Joe Biden was a single father for five years. He was never a single father; he was a widowed father.
A single man or woman is a man or woman who has never been married. Likewise, a single mother or a single father is a mother or father who has never been married.
A person who is divorced or widowed is not "single" (except for tax purposes) but "unmarried".
It's an important legal distinction, particularly in real estate documents - especially in community property jurisdictions.
The sentence should be changed from "single father" to "widowed father". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.62.103 ( talk) 05:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
This article has long had a problem with lack of chronological flow in places. In particular, the 1988 presidential campaign section occurs after his entire Senate career, which means it is woefully out of context. Furthermore, if he runs for president again in 2016, which is quite possible, the current organization would have us put a 2016 presidential campaign section before any of the sections on his vice presidency, which is ridiculous (and if we move the Presidential campaigns sections further down, the 2008 presidential campaign would come after his 2008 vice presidential campaign, which is equally bad).
So I have done a reorganization of the material in the central part of the article to be more chronological. The presidential/vice presidential campaigns that occur during his Senate career are presented as subsections to it. (This approach has worked well in articles like Ted Kennedy and George McGovern.) To make it easier to follow, this big edit that does the reshuffling does not add or remove any material at all, just change its location (including putting some really peripheral material into Notes). After that I'll add a couple of things to make the adjusted sections have more thematic coherence. To be sure, the article still isn't fully chronological, but nor should it be - given his long Senate career, some aspects and characteristics of that career are best dealt with grouped together over time. But the biographical flow of the article is a lot better now than it was before. Wasted Time R ( talk) 03:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Joe Biden does not live in Wilmington. He lives in Greenville, Delaware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.171.125.13 ( talk) 19:12, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Under a photograph of Biden during his senate years, the caption says that the photo was taken in the "late-mid 2000s". Personally, that doesn't make sense to say "late-mid". The photo was taken in 2006. I don't understand why the caption doesn't just say "in the mid 2000s".
Realkeithnagy ( talk) 00:51, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
I propose removing the privatization of Social Security, which is no longer a viable political issue, from the "Political positions" section, and replacing it with a new paragraph with one sentence each on Biden's positions on taxation of the wealthy, deficit stimulus spending, infrastructure spending, military spending, student loan forgiveness, the Earned Income Tax Credit, same sex marriage, marijuana legalization, universal health care, renewable energy subsidies, fossil fuel subsidies, campaign finance reform, capital punishment, big bank divestiture ("too big to fail"), and mass transit, which are all more current political issues which readers are far more likely to care about. EllenCT ( talk) 20:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
How is this? The non-ref text is less than half as long as either of the other two paragraphs in the section. I should point out that there appear to be 21 separate organizations listed on [1] who have given Biden a percentage rating score, so it would be far more cumbersome to include those in the existing ratings paragraphs (although, how about a table?) than to select the issues which the current electorate cares most about. EllenCT ( talk) 00:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
This is just fluff. It is also original research in deciding which positions to report. How about his position on Iranian nuclear ambitions? How about his position on polygamy? How about his position on Canada? How about his position on bin Laden?
Better would be a section on how his positions differ from Obama.
Joe Biden's son and Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden shed some light on his VP father's thoughts on making a 2016 run at the presidency.
“It’s no secret that he’s thinking about this,” Beau Biden told the New York Times. “I’m glad he’s thinking about this. But he hasn’t made up his mind.”
http://www.carbonated.tv/news/beau-biden-on-joe-biden-its-no-secret-hes-thinking-about-2016-presidential-race ObamaIsTheGreatest ( talk) 23:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
I promise I will improve the table as much as possible with the source you found, but please forgive me if it takes a few days. I'm frustrated with being called a liar on a different topic I am 100% mathematically certain about and have been studying for years. It is clearly raising my blood pressure and I just want to sleep first. EllenCT ( talk) 17:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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Raw vote numbers for Biden's electoral history do not match wikipedia page for "United States presidential election, 2012" (citations provided on that page). Currently this page shows 65,899,557 (Biden) vs 60,931,959 (Ryan). Should be 65,915,796 (Biden) vs 60,933,500 (Ryan). Chlimouj ( talk) 19:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Done That is a summary of another article and the citation change needed to be done there. I've updated both articles. Thanks, Celestra ( talk) 03:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-defends-biden-from-brutal-gates-hit-002831719.html
Are the ex-SOD's comments about Biden notable? Hcobb ( talk) 08:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
I think this article needs as much protection as, and a long as, we can handle, because of the recent criticism against the subject from Robert Gates. Any comments? Bearian ( talk) 17:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
"It wasn’t anything we legislatively did. It was ‘Will and Grace,’ it was the social media. Literally. That’s what changed peoples’ attitudes. That’s why I was so certain that the vast majority of people would embrace and rapidly embrace” gay marriage, Biden said.
“Think behind of all that, I bet you 85 percent of those changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry. The influence is immense, the influence is immense. And, I might add, it is all to the good.”
A reference to this quote should be included either in this article or if not this one then the "political positions" article. John Martin Walker ( talk) 22:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Your respond is typical liberalism. I'm sure you will rush to credit the Mormons, and the (literal)Eskimos, and Jesse Jackson, and people from Appalachia, for the triumph of homosexual rights. After all, I'm sure you can point to some gay Mormon as evidence, because even one exception renders generalizations meaningless. And you refer implicitly to the Jews as a "religious group." Few of the secular Jews that Biden seems to think live in Hollywood believe in any religion. John Martin Walker ( talk) 23:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
What he said was truly extraordinary, no other politician has ever said anything like it. It obviously deserves to be cited. Here is but one of many "reliable sources" that can be used to cite his quote:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html Nine Er Nine Er ( talk) 03:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
His comments about Hollywood and Jewish influence should be in the article. Here are some sources to cite:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/22/biden-jewish-leaders-helped-gay-marriage-succeed/?wprss=rss_election-2012 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-talks-outsized-influence-jews-influence-immense_728765.html?google_editors_picks=true http://news.yahoo.com/biden-jewish-leaders-drove-gay-012202293.html http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/349155/joe-biden-attributes-social-liberalism-jewish-control-hollywood-%E2%80%98social-media%E2%80%99-patrick Dennis Alloire ( talk) 02:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
The text that links to Joe Biden's twitter feed should be "@JoeBiden", not "@Joe Biden" to correspond with the username of his twitter feed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.154.248 ( talk) 23:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
As this is a major publication which does an ongoing series on Biden, also reported in NY Times, I think it deserves its own section or at least a mention in main article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/business/media/11biden.html?_r=0 http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/biden-getting-an-autobiography-from-the-onion-whether-he-wants-it-or-not/ http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/style/a-biden-moment.html?pagewanted=all http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/biden-ny-times-homepage_n_781813.html
http://www.theonion.com/channels/joseph-biden/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-gets-grow-light-delivered-to-white-house-und,36597/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-frantically-hitting-up-cabinet-members-for-c,34515/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-has-guy-named-worm-sit-in-for-him-at-cabinet,33250/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-to-cool-his-heels-in-mexico-for-a-while,17996/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:6F00:538:9CA:E037:BEFD:3674 ( talk) 17:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I find this:
"The Bidens are Roman Catholics and regularly attend Mass at St. Joseph on the Brandywine in Greenville, Delaware."
OK, but you may want to reword this to refer to his time as Senator, with no comment intended on his time (still current when I wrote the message you are reading) as Vice President. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.47 ( talk) 18:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
It's notable that in 2010 (after the Democrats lost the House) and 2014 (after the Democrats lost the Senate) the President went overseas while Biden stood in for the Veterans Day ceremonies at Arlington National Cemetery. 66.67.32.161 ( talk) 16:10, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I think it is significantly noteworthy that Biden has developed a reputation of being very "touchy-feely" with women and girls. http://www.newsy.com/videos/biden-gets-too-close-for-comfort-again/
I just don't know how to add this to the article in a politically correct way. It is noteworthy for the following reasons. 1) His behavior has entered into popular culture. 2) He isn't this way with men, boys. 3) Its clearly unsettling and frequent. Gabefair ( talk) 20:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
It should be noted that the vice president's frequent inappropriateness is likely attributable to the worsening brain damage from which he suffers. (He underwent two aneurism operations in early 1988 - as the Wiki presently states.) To NOT acknowledge this is indicative of bias. (Even the word "brain" seems awkwardly avoided in the entry's text.)
It's rather pointless to expect more than just a passing, euphemistic reference to such Jozo's behavior in Wikipedia. The same kind of "impartial" lefties who dominate Wikipedia dominate "impartial" journalism. And they dominate "nonpartisan" comedy shows like Saturday Night Live, which tonight opened with a lengthy Rudy G. slam skit, had a hard-hitting on Trump, & then had a brief, soft bit about Biden's forts, so they could claim they didn't ignore Biden being in the news recently with his dirty old man buffoonery during the Ashton Carton speech. If you don't believe me, consider the nearly 30-year record of Jozo saying hundreds of ridiculous things, including demeaning things about Indians, blacks, & woman, not to mention dozens of unwanted touch of women and teen girls. Keep that in mind, read the Dan Quayle BLP (biography article) here about a handful of things he said over 4 1/2 years that were dumb, mangled, or that lefty journalists simply didn't like, read this article immediately after, and you'll see why I say expecting more here is pointless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.37.243.153 ( talk) 06:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Under personal details, daughter Naomi should also have a parenthetical citation (deceased). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.13.44 ( talk) 02:27, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
For continuity, daughter Naomi's year of death should be included in the parenthetical citation to match with Beau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.148.31 ( talk) 03:29, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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In Family and Early Political Career section-- Current text: On August 27, 1966, Biden, while still a law student, married Hunter....[23] Suggest "married Neilia Hunter...." This edit will aid in reading whether as stand alone section or just ease of narrative flow.
108.201.221.171 ( talk) 16:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
The second paragraph of the lead says he "became the sixth-youngest senator in U.S. history." This strikes me not just as way too trivial for the lead, but also misleading. It's misleading because he started in the Senate at the age of 30, and there were 17 other US Senators who also started at age 30 or younger (it's customary to say that two people who are 30 are the same age). See Byrd, Robert and Wolff, Wendy. Senate, 1789-1989: Historical Statistics, 1789-1992, Volume 4, p. 285 (Government Printing Office 1993). Anythingyouwant ( talk) 01:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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@ Professor JR:Today, this edit removed an alleged "editorializing opinion". The removed parenthetical stated "further plagiarism accusations would later derail his 1988 presidential bid". I disagree with the removal, and with the characterization of the removal, and will rephrase and restore it. The issue of plagiarism unambiguously recurred later in his career, in 1988. When it did so, many reliable sources in 1988 (and subsequently) referred back to the incident in law school, which thus became far more notable. Wikipedia BLPs rarely adhere to such a rigidly chronological format that they cannot connect related events that are separated in time. For better worse, this is such an instance. There's nothing editorializing or opinionated about it, as the cited sources show. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 12:45, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Professor JR: We have reliable sources that give his class rank, and this info was included in this Wikipedia article for a long time until today. This BLP gives details like the fact that he double majored in history and political science, that he got his BA in 1965, that classmates were impressed by his cramming abilities, that he played halfback in college, that he received a half scholarship, etcetera. So I don't see why not to mention that he graduated 506th of 688 in his college class, and 76th of 85 in his law school class. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 13:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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has been reverted, with the following edit summary: "not included in BLP's of other candidates -- why here?" My answer is as follows. This is very standard information for presidential candidates when it is available. For example, the
John McCain article says: "He came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel and did not always obey the rules, which contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899), despite a high
IQ." The
Mitt Romney article says: "He earned a Bachelor of Arts in English with highest honors in 1971, giving commencement addresses to both the College of Humanities and to the whole of BYU....He graduated in 1975 cum laude from the law school, in the top third of that class, and was named a Baker Scholarfor graduating in the top five percent of his business school class." The
Hillary Clinton article says: "she was a
National Merit Finalist and graduated in the top five percent of her class of 1965....In 1969, she graduated with a Bachelor of Arts, with departmental honors in political science...." If some of the other candidate articles at Wikipedia don't include anything about class rank, it may be because they haven't made the information available.
Generally speaking, there are hundreds of Wikipedia biographical articles that give class rank, such as these:
Hundreds more are in these Wikipedia search results. Incidentally, I am not the one who initially inserted this class rank information here at this Wikipedia article, but it does seem entirely appropriate. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 13:32, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
"not included in BLP's of other candidates -- why here?"
"If some of the other candidate articles at Wikipedia don't include anything about class rank ..."
Candidate for WHAT? Certainly not for president. Biden is NOT a candidate for president. --- Dagme ( talk) 15:24, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Update needed for fact that Biden was invited to the upcoming CNN October Democratic debate on extraordinary terms - he only need decide to formally run the day of the debate to be included on the dias. The Article should state that it was reported that Biden had not yet decided to run and that it was reported he felt he may not have time to prepare for the debate at the same time as organizing his potential run. The article should also be updated to report that Biden has begun to receive donor support from a number of significant donors previously committed to Hillary Clinton and that these defections prompted very active outreach by Clinton staffers to defend their funding base's commitment. These items the current news through October 6, 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.73.211 ( talk) 02:10, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Here's the text from the source to support this edit:
"Biden was an original believer in the epic project of nation-building in Afghanistan. “Whatever it takes, we should do it,” he said soon after the Taliban government in Kabul was toppled in 2001." CFredkin ( talk) 17:01, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
The same source is ref'd for 3 different bombings in the article, but only mentions 2:
1. Article: Once the Bosnian War broke out, Biden was among the first to call for the "lift and strike" policy of lifting the arms embargo, training Bosnian Muslims and supporting them with NATO air strikes, and investigating war crimes.
Source: He was among the first to advocate lifting the arms embargo on the Bosnian Muslims and supporting them with NATO air power, a policy known as "lift and strike."
2. Article: The 1995 NATO bombing campaign in Bosnia and Herzegovina then led to the Dayton Agreement...
3. Article: In 1999, during the Kosovo War, Biden supported the NATO bombing campaign against Serbia and Montenegro..
Source: When President Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia cracked down on Albanian separatists in Kosovo, Biden supported the NATO bombing campaign to force Serbian troops to leave the breakaway province.
I'm planning to remove #2 until a source can be found. CFredkin ( talk) 21:07, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Is this the first time two consecutive Vice Presidents have not sought the presidency? Just curious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.9.164 ( talk) 20:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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