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I have a problem with the inclusion of some of the jobbers on this list. I think the list should contain "pure" jobbers, not just wrestlers that currently lose a lot of matches that were bigger and had title runs in the past. Here are some I think should be removed. (and I used this site to help determine things a bit: http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/results.htm)
Thoughts? -- 63.18.243.157 05:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
there has to be a way of deciding who belongs here and who doesn't... WillC 22:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this article should be moved to jobber (professional wrestling), since we should be using the noun form. The article seems to focus on the jobber, not the act of jobbing. -- Jtalledo (talk) 16:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
would that satisfy you all, to list wrestlers who are currently booked as jobbers? WillC 14:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Before this turns into an edit war, we should probably discuss the merits of the comedy relief section. As it is, it really doesn't belong there. All it does is mention two ECW jobbers who are pretty small in the broad scope of this topic. There's not enough stuff in there to warrant its own section - which is why I tried to merge it into the "Gimmicks" section before WillC reverted my edit. If it's going to stay there, there's going to have be a better way of asserting its significance than mentioning two recent ECW gimmicks. Namely, there's going to have to be some less recent, notable examples. -- Jtalledo (talk) 19:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I moved these comments down here as an attempt to clean up the page: - NickSentowski 21:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
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Triple H was given this role from 1996-1997 by Vince McMahon as punishment for the infamous MSG Incident.
No doubt it's true; but does anyone have a reference that can be added? (This article has no references at all). Maybe from the Wrestling_Observer_Newsletter? -- Dglosser 23:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
WillC feels that there should be a secton devoted to wrestlers who job commedicly on a regular basis... Others feel that his section should be merged with the gimmicks section of the existing article... A third group feels that this section should be omitted completely, believing that the examples mentioned are not notable.
Please vote below to MERGE, SEPERATE, or REMOVE this content.
This vote will be resolved in 7 days. - NickSentowski 17:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
it has been discussed previously that examples of jobbers such as the growing list are not acceptable..... WillC 00:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
He is not a jobber anymore he beat MVP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.38.72 ( talk) 01:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
does anyone else consider kane's role since un-masking to be a JTTS. he beats low-profile wrestlers, but loses every time to high profile superstars, and more recently returning superstars. ex. John Cena, Triple H, The Great Khali, Rey Mysterio etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.158.111 ( talk) 19:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
You know what, nevermind, i've noticed by going back that Kane does dominate alot of his matches, and still wins frequently, it just seems he loses in stupid ways, especially to over guys like cena and HHH. Sorry about my first post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KKarvox ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Specifically, the history involved in the article begins approximately at the point where jobbers started to be phased out of regular usage.
I'd rather not rehash that this is another article which is far too WWF/E-slanted. Why no mention of people who didn't work in the WWF who became semi-famous for being a jobber, such as Jake Milliman or Randy Mulkey? RadioKAOS ( talk) 10:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I removed the statement: "It is a mark of disrespect calling a wrestler a jobber, because it means that they are a failure at their careers."
but it was reverted by user Ezequiel Matias Acosta with the rationale: 'Wrestlers like Damien Demento, Barry Horowitz, and others who were or are jobbers don't like to be called jobbers, or they don't like the term "jobber)"
Even if this is true (no source is given), it is not relevant to the removed statement, as disliking a term does not prove these men are failures at their careers. That we are discussing them long after they stopped wrestling would imply the opposite.
I request impartial mediation on this disagreement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg hill ( talk • contribs) 11:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
The three terms given as an example of how WWE addresses jobbers I find to be poorly chosen. "Local competitors" are often just that, and the other two terms are very rarely used. Greg hill ( talk) 02:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm under the impression that this article misses a point : the reason why a "job" is called just like that comes from the fact that unlike the money-making "stars", a jobber didn't have a long-term contract. They made sporadic appearances to fill the card and make the permanent talents look good, and were subsequently hired and paid on a per-appearance basis. Hence doing a single "job", not a long-term deal. Of course this is Wikipedia, I need sources to back up this this claim. I'm going to look for them, but if anybody comes across something interesting, let me know. -- Tsort142 12:37, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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I have a problem with the inclusion of some of the jobbers on this list. I think the list should contain "pure" jobbers, not just wrestlers that currently lose a lot of matches that were bigger and had title runs in the past. Here are some I think should be removed. (and I used this site to help determine things a bit: http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/results.htm)
Thoughts? -- 63.18.243.157 05:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
there has to be a way of deciding who belongs here and who doesn't... WillC 22:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this article should be moved to jobber (professional wrestling), since we should be using the noun form. The article seems to focus on the jobber, not the act of jobbing. -- Jtalledo (talk) 16:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
would that satisfy you all, to list wrestlers who are currently booked as jobbers? WillC 14:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Before this turns into an edit war, we should probably discuss the merits of the comedy relief section. As it is, it really doesn't belong there. All it does is mention two ECW jobbers who are pretty small in the broad scope of this topic. There's not enough stuff in there to warrant its own section - which is why I tried to merge it into the "Gimmicks" section before WillC reverted my edit. If it's going to stay there, there's going to have be a better way of asserting its significance than mentioning two recent ECW gimmicks. Namely, there's going to have to be some less recent, notable examples. -- Jtalledo (talk) 19:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I moved these comments down here as an attempt to clean up the page: - NickSentowski 21:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
As much as I love the openness of Wikipedia, children should not be allowed to edit. Read & Contribute Here. - NickSentowski 19:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Triple H was given this role from 1996-1997 by Vince McMahon as punishment for the infamous MSG Incident.
No doubt it's true; but does anyone have a reference that can be added? (This article has no references at all). Maybe from the Wrestling_Observer_Newsletter? -- Dglosser 23:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
WillC feels that there should be a secton devoted to wrestlers who job commedicly on a regular basis... Others feel that his section should be merged with the gimmicks section of the existing article... A third group feels that this section should be omitted completely, believing that the examples mentioned are not notable.
Please vote below to MERGE, SEPERATE, or REMOVE this content.
This vote will be resolved in 7 days. - NickSentowski 17:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
it has been discussed previously that examples of jobbers such as the growing list are not acceptable..... WillC 00:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
He is not a jobber anymore he beat MVP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.38.72 ( talk) 01:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
does anyone else consider kane's role since un-masking to be a JTTS. he beats low-profile wrestlers, but loses every time to high profile superstars, and more recently returning superstars. ex. John Cena, Triple H, The Great Khali, Rey Mysterio etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.158.111 ( talk) 19:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
You know what, nevermind, i've noticed by going back that Kane does dominate alot of his matches, and still wins frequently, it just seems he loses in stupid ways, especially to over guys like cena and HHH. Sorry about my first post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KKarvox ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Specifically, the history involved in the article begins approximately at the point where jobbers started to be phased out of regular usage.
I'd rather not rehash that this is another article which is far too WWF/E-slanted. Why no mention of people who didn't work in the WWF who became semi-famous for being a jobber, such as Jake Milliman or Randy Mulkey? RadioKAOS ( talk) 10:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I removed the statement: "It is a mark of disrespect calling a wrestler a jobber, because it means that they are a failure at their careers."
but it was reverted by user Ezequiel Matias Acosta with the rationale: 'Wrestlers like Damien Demento, Barry Horowitz, and others who were or are jobbers don't like to be called jobbers, or they don't like the term "jobber)"
Even if this is true (no source is given), it is not relevant to the removed statement, as disliking a term does not prove these men are failures at their careers. That we are discussing them long after they stopped wrestling would imply the opposite.
I request impartial mediation on this disagreement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg hill ( talk • contribs) 11:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
The three terms given as an example of how WWE addresses jobbers I find to be poorly chosen. "Local competitors" are often just that, and the other two terms are very rarely used. Greg hill ( talk) 02:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm under the impression that this article misses a point : the reason why a "job" is called just like that comes from the fact that unlike the money-making "stars", a jobber didn't have a long-term contract. They made sporadic appearances to fill the card and make the permanent talents look good, and were subsequently hired and paid on a per-appearance basis. Hence doing a single "job", not a long-term deal. Of course this is Wikipedia, I need sources to back up this this claim. I'm going to look for them, but if anybody comes across something interesting, let me know. -- Tsort142 12:37, 23 May 2017 (UTC)