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The image used for this page isn't Joaquín. It's John Rollin Ridge, who wrote the famous novel about Joaquín. (It's used as the cover image for Parins John Rollin Ridge: His Life and Works. Synecdoche ( talk) 02:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Should his name not be spelt Murieta? If it is we will need to rename the page and put in a redirect Brentford 10:20, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
seems to me that "murieta" is more common, as well as orthographically correct in spanish. i don't see any reason to keep "murietta" dominant. It's different. Aaronbrick 06:35, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I removed the corrido from the article. It's a primary source and should not be included. At best, it should be an external link. Here's the text I removed:
-- howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 00:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Once again, the alternative spellings are all quite incorrect - although widely used. In the Spanish language the only correct spelling for this last name is Murieta. I have noticed that many Spanish origin names are misspelled among many in the non-Spanish speaking Mexican-American community of the US. One of the most common errors is replacing the soft single "r" sound in Spanish to the stronger and phonetically different "rr" sound. This happens often and I assume is a result of the Spanish being the second language to many Mexican-Americans, as opposed to English.
In regard to his origins, the possibility of him being Chilean or Mexican are pretty equal. Thousands of Chileans came to California during the Gold Rush and settled in northern California. San Francisco had a whole area near what is today North Beach referred to as "Little Chile". There are also folk tales - much like the Mexican ones - of Murieta fleeing California and returning to Chile. With sightings of Murieta in Mexico, Peru, Panama, Bolivia. Not to mention that in Chile he is revered by many as a national hero - with a birthplace memorial to him in Quillota, Chile and tales of his rebel activities in solidarity with the exploited nitrate miners of northern Chile while fighting oppressive British and Chilean business interests. The book remains even more open as many rebel types are believed to have used the name in various countries. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Komunysta ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC).
The loss of proper Spanish is not uncommon in Latin American immigrant communities in the US. This is not offensive, it is merely a factual outcome of the lack of bilingual education in the US. Another problem here is that the whole body of literature regarding Murieta's possible Chilean origins is being omitted, only because it does not stem from Mexican-American folklore. Due to the overwhelming majority of Mexican-Americans versus any other Latin American ethnicity within the US, particularly communities with little command of the English language, it will be difficult to find fair discussion of this issue in this forum. One thing I can say, is that in Chile, Joaquin Murieta is regarded much more highly as a historical figure than he is in Mexico proper. Now, among Americans of Mexican descent, that I guess is a mixed bag.
Zorro the fictional person is a gitano yet Joaquin is a Criollo which is 2 different things...but then again I personally think Mexicans try to pass for gitanos and they always get them wrong when they create stories they show them as wealthy dark haired people from Spain when they was/are peasants..it was the Moors who had wealthy but they had nothing to do with Mexico. --Maria —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.153.29.235 ( talk) 21:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
I heard and read some things about Joaquin Murrieta on a "Hispanic" cultural discussion magazine, about his mother was of Cherokee and Anglo-American descent, whose parentage settled in Chile in the late 18th century. This would classify him as a Native American of North American origins, despite it may be a rumor to further identify him as a hero of both Indian and Hispanic peoples in California in the mid 19th century. This is also discussed on the Americans and Canadians in Chile article. + 71.102.53.48 ( talk) 07:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I am curious about the sources for the bibliographical information in this article. It seems to me it should be cited, given the history of Joaquin scholarship (notably late nineteenth-century historians of California using Ridge's novel as a historical source). I am also wondering if the article should address the fact that Murrieta's existence is in fact fairly dubious to begin with. It refers to him as being "semi-legendary" but, as someone who is researching Ridge's novel, I've noticed that most of the scholarship on him currently takes it for granted that while there he was largely a fiction even before Ridge's novel solidified him as such. Synecdoche ( talk) 12:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
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The image used for this page isn't Joaquín. It's John Rollin Ridge, who wrote the famous novel about Joaquín. (It's used as the cover image for Parins John Rollin Ridge: His Life and Works. Synecdoche ( talk) 02:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Should his name not be spelt Murieta? If it is we will need to rename the page and put in a redirect Brentford 10:20, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
seems to me that "murieta" is more common, as well as orthographically correct in spanish. i don't see any reason to keep "murietta" dominant. It's different. Aaronbrick 06:35, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I removed the corrido from the article. It's a primary source and should not be included. At best, it should be an external link. Here's the text I removed:
-- howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 00:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Once again, the alternative spellings are all quite incorrect - although widely used. In the Spanish language the only correct spelling for this last name is Murieta. I have noticed that many Spanish origin names are misspelled among many in the non-Spanish speaking Mexican-American community of the US. One of the most common errors is replacing the soft single "r" sound in Spanish to the stronger and phonetically different "rr" sound. This happens often and I assume is a result of the Spanish being the second language to many Mexican-Americans, as opposed to English.
In regard to his origins, the possibility of him being Chilean or Mexican are pretty equal. Thousands of Chileans came to California during the Gold Rush and settled in northern California. San Francisco had a whole area near what is today North Beach referred to as "Little Chile". There are also folk tales - much like the Mexican ones - of Murieta fleeing California and returning to Chile. With sightings of Murieta in Mexico, Peru, Panama, Bolivia. Not to mention that in Chile he is revered by many as a national hero - with a birthplace memorial to him in Quillota, Chile and tales of his rebel activities in solidarity with the exploited nitrate miners of northern Chile while fighting oppressive British and Chilean business interests. The book remains even more open as many rebel types are believed to have used the name in various countries. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Komunysta ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC).
The loss of proper Spanish is not uncommon in Latin American immigrant communities in the US. This is not offensive, it is merely a factual outcome of the lack of bilingual education in the US. Another problem here is that the whole body of literature regarding Murieta's possible Chilean origins is being omitted, only because it does not stem from Mexican-American folklore. Due to the overwhelming majority of Mexican-Americans versus any other Latin American ethnicity within the US, particularly communities with little command of the English language, it will be difficult to find fair discussion of this issue in this forum. One thing I can say, is that in Chile, Joaquin Murieta is regarded much more highly as a historical figure than he is in Mexico proper. Now, among Americans of Mexican descent, that I guess is a mixed bag.
Zorro the fictional person is a gitano yet Joaquin is a Criollo which is 2 different things...but then again I personally think Mexicans try to pass for gitanos and they always get them wrong when they create stories they show them as wealthy dark haired people from Spain when they was/are peasants..it was the Moors who had wealthy but they had nothing to do with Mexico. --Maria —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.153.29.235 ( talk) 21:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
I heard and read some things about Joaquin Murrieta on a "Hispanic" cultural discussion magazine, about his mother was of Cherokee and Anglo-American descent, whose parentage settled in Chile in the late 18th century. This would classify him as a Native American of North American origins, despite it may be a rumor to further identify him as a hero of both Indian and Hispanic peoples in California in the mid 19th century. This is also discussed on the Americans and Canadians in Chile article. + 71.102.53.48 ( talk) 07:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I am curious about the sources for the bibliographical information in this article. It seems to me it should be cited, given the history of Joaquin scholarship (notably late nineteenth-century historians of California using Ridge's novel as a historical source). I am also wondering if the article should address the fact that Murrieta's existence is in fact fairly dubious to begin with. It refers to him as being "semi-legendary" but, as someone who is researching Ridge's novel, I've noticed that most of the scholarship on him currently takes it for granted that while there he was largely a fiction even before Ridge's novel solidified him as such. Synecdoche ( talk) 12:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
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