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Explain what is the basis for the contention that Balaguer's Heureaux are of Haitian descent. I have read every word in the linked genealogy newspaper article, and found nothing of the sort. The mere fact that the name is French by no means proves that it is Haitian. May I point out that, as explained in my edit to the article, many French people left the French-controlled area during or before the slave rebellion that eventually gave rise to Haiti (and those who didn't were exterminated by the former slaves after they consolidated control). That does NOT make the French who left 'Haitians', since Haiti did not yet exist then, nor was that area referred as such (Saint Domingue was its name). Also, some French people migrated directly to the Eastern part (present-day DR) directly, without ever living in what eventually became Haiti. Please provide an answer before undoing my edit. Virgrod ( talk) 03:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
In conclusion, Balaguer and Heureaux's family migrating from Saint-Domingue (as per source) would have indeed made them Haitian or of Haitian descent. Personally, I also find it ironic that the Trujillos and Balaguers, who instilled propaganda towards Haiti were of Franco-Haitian origin. I guess they could never get over the fact that their ancestors lost so much wealth in Saint-Domingue at the hands of the Haitian Revolution. It makes perfect sense for them to have a personal vendetta towards them and to try to extract their revenge. Meanwhile, all of this wasn't common knowledge at one time as it is now. Surely, it would have helped José Francisco Peña Gómez's presidential candidacy against Balaguer who politically said against Gomez that he could not be trusted because he was Haitian. I think that is ironically comical. If only he knew... Savvyjack23 ( talk) 22:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I have no issues pro or against Haitian descents. I am not referring to the subject, but in a general statement. Would you like to include information about any topic in any article? Find a reference and include it. If you fail doing so, as a part of WikiProject Dominican Republic, I will remove this claim, allegation or whatever you add without a reference in a very important article for the Dominican Republic like this. Osplace 23:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Osplace, I'm not sure what you mean by that, regardless of WikiProject edits are to be made without bias. As for citing references, are you being serious? If I cannot find a reference I do not include my own personal work. With my examples above, you should be able to see that. Anyhow, I wasn't the one who edited that section in such detail originally. The reference that editor cited is being ignored on the "argument" made by Virgrod that the people from Saint-Domingue aren't Haitian, which I happily dispelled above. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Ulises Hilarion Heureaux Lebert (Lilís, 1845-1899). General restorer son of a Haitian father...his father, a Haitian captain of the French merchant marine, refused to raise him. (Translated from Spanish based on, "Cassá, Roberto: Gregorio Luperon and History of the Restoration, Autonomous University of Santo Domingo, 2004, Santo Domingo"). [7] You can also check his descendants here [8], as his father D'assas Heureaux was born in Haiti and died on 5 Jan 1905 in Puerto Plata. Also, Virgrod I do not appreciate the rewording you have done to these articles as no part of what you rewrote are sourced in these references given to us by another user. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Excuse me Virgrod, did you or did you not read what I wrote above? French citizenship was given to the French Caribbean in 1945. People from Saint-Domingue were not exactly French unless they went to France (which their French fathers usually did to give them a better education) and had acquired it. Your way to rationalize this with your own viewpoints without a single reference is insulting given the effort I am trying to make here. Toussaint Louverture was born a slave and made general of the highest rank for a black man. He was indeed French and had as much rights as the next white man. How could he be in control of a French army without being French? He is also recognized as a founding father of Haiti. Generally, slaves were not free, therefore never going to France to acquire citizenship. There are exceptions; Jean-Baptiste Belley was born a slave in Senegal, then brought to Saint-Domingue and then later became French and a member of the National Convention and the Council of Five Hundred of France advocating that slavery be abolished. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:48, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
It may seem controversial at first, but given the references and the breakdown of who would be considered French or Haitian is overwhelming. By the way, there is no such thing as Saint-Dominguean, there you are trying to rationalize it by yourself again. Domingue is only the French version for Domingo which is Spanish. They would both translate to Dominican after Saint Dominic, the patron Saint of both sides at the time (still is I believe for D.R.). Anyway, it could also be controversial for the Dominicans as well. When independence was made from Spain in 1821, they essentially dropped the Santo Domingo (which only remained as the capital) for the name Spanish Haiti and then became citizens of Haiti for 22 years. But am I trying to say they aren't Dominican? No. Could I attempt to dispute? It may be possible, but what good would that do? Same here. Its not doing any good labeling them as French when the facts are disproving it. But yes by blood they are French. They were Haitian of French descent even though they might have never acquired it. Its like an American born in the United States born to French parents. The only thing that changed was the name of Saint-Domingue to Haiti. All of Haiti's founders were all born (except Henri Christophe) in Saint-Domingue. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 01:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I am 100% certain. Check a book called Code Noir also. It was a book on rights in the French colonies. Also, Saint-Domingue, Guadeloupe and Martinique had the same laws applied to them. I know what Jus soli and Jus sanguinis is, that argument is irrelevant in this case. whether you choose to believe it or not, facts are facts. They were not French citizens. They were from Saint-Domingue whose name reverted back to the original name Haiti. If you cannot comment on Guadeloupe and Martinique, then you cannot comment about Haiti. These universes were parallel up until the Haitian Revolution. Like I said before, people leave their countries all the time for a better life that doesn't mean they are not from the country they are from. If you knew about the history of Haiti you would know what I am talking about. After all the references I have cited above, you still have no clue. Check this article out, written by a Dominican named FRANCISCO BERROA UBIERA, EDITOR DE NOTICULAS HISTORICAS DOMINICANAS [9] How does he know his Presidents had Haitian origins and not you? Savvyjack23 ( talk) 02:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I will Osplace, thank you. Also, I proved the Heureaux connection above. As for Balaguer, there is a relation between him and Heureaux that perhaps wasn't as clear because it is going back a long time. However, editor FRANCISCO BERROA UBIERA [10] seems to acknowledge this fact. Also, I think it was unfair to call it Haitian vandalism on the articles you recently edited removing the section with a reference to Franco-Haitian surnames from the capital of Santo Domingo itself. Okay so you need validation, but to call it vandalism or "Haitian stuff"? That's not right... Savvyjack23 ( talk) 02:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Virgrod, what's wrong with you? Just because its called Code Noir doesn't mean its only about slaves, it talks about the Jewish people and those in the colony as well. Like I said before, to ALL CITIZENS of the French colonies (white, black or whatever) were not recognized as French citizens until 1945 AS THEY THEN BECAME PART OF FRANCE ITSELF. Had Saint-Domingue remained a colony of France this law would have went into a affect for them as well, but it never did. In the French-speaking Canada, they were Franco-Canadian, not French. In New Orleans, the whites were known as French Creoles or Creoles. It was like saying French-American. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 02:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Virgrod, that is your opinion and you are making assumptions. This topic has been long talked about. I had two categories deleted French Santo Domingo descent etc., where eight or nine senior editors agreed with the Haitian descent. I can recall them all again if you'd like. You can talk to them about it. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 02:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay, understood. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 03:36, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Savvyjack23 and Osplace, I have reworded the passage under discussion as: "Ulises Heureaux's father was D’Assas Heureaux, himself a mulatto son of a Frenchman. D’Assas has been described as a Haitian who chose to become Dominican after the Dominican declaration of independence in 1844[3]. However, calling D’Assas a Haitian is controversial, because his French father must have left Western Saint Domingue while still under French rule, and before the 1804 Haiti Massacre. Hence, D'Assas either was born in or reached present-day Dominican Republic with his French father before Haiti came into existence.". That is the best I have been able to do. I hope it preserves all relevant information while addressesing all issues in a fair way. Virgrod ( talk) 20:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Virgrod, it isn't controversial at you are making it out to be, all that extra wording is rubbish. Franco-Haitian is what they were. It's not rocket science. Again, stop trying to self-rationalize it. I have sources and other editors who would agree. You were also one who said Haiti is not situated in Latin America; look where you got in that discussion. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 21:54, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
References:
They all say Haitian. Please stop alerting me in the message. Thanks. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:38, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I, myself am still getting my sources together for Balaguer, but as far as Ulises Heureaux is concerned; all the sources are present for viewing and use. (in case you were asking for him as well) Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:07, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
References
Su madre, Josefa Leibert, era nativa de Saint Thomas, y su padre, D'Assas Heureaux, hijo de un francés, fue uno de los tantos haitianos que prefirió hacerse dominicano cuando se declaró la independencia en 1844. Padre y madre eran mulatos, aunque de piel oscura.
this article is completely ridiculous. sounds like written by a grand child of the monster.
1. he was not only accused of fraud, but also of ordering hundreds of political murders.
2. as a fact journalists, trade unionists and political dissidents of his politics were massively liquidated during the 60's, 70's and to a lesser extent the 80's. as president he bears ultimate responsibility for this.
3. as another fact even in the 90's people from poor neighborhoods were not allowed to walk in the "nice" parts of town at night. they would get arrested immediately and spent the night in jail. members of my family didn't dare to leave their barrio at night because of this. only the election of Leonel changed this almost overnight and the could start to enjoy going out in the colonial section at nigth time.
--- This is not a true representation of reality, I myself grew up in the 80's and 90's in Santo Domingo and people did not get arrested at night for being in 'nice' areas, his later periods were mild in comparison to the 12 years. The article should reflect truth, not people's long held contempt for the rich or the well to do and blame it on Balaguer.
I agree with the political murders, although, any Dominican will tell you that although it is suspected he was behind them, being the mastermind he was, no one has been able to prove his involvement, and many, many have tried. Lets stay as a factual source of info, not a compilation of urban fears, resentments and myths.
Also, The Feast of the Goat ends six months after Trujillo's 1961 execution. It covers Balaguer's maneuvering in that period, not in 1966.
This work is clearly biased towards Balaguer, especially his final term in office, acknowledged by many including the IMF as a de facto dictatorship.
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this article does seem a bit biased, but what strikes me more than that is its many spelling and grammatical errors, not to mention a number of words that have been invented. so, is there an historian on the dominican republic who could spend a fair amount of time editing this tripe? sincerely, some fool
Reads like an essay that was originally written in Spanish and then put through a computer translator. Does not represent neutral point of view, e.g., Soviet elections were not "rigged," but "arranged in advance." Hardly forms the basis for a serious article on Balaguer - better to replace it entirely.
Desert Center 14:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Start editing. Flor Silvestre 19:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Jared Diamond stated that Joaquín Balaguer was a forest protector in his book " Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed", albeit that Balaguer used repressive means to protect the forests of Dominican Republic, but was it true that Balaguer really wanted to protect the forests(to protect for preserving) even though he might have any other consideration(e.g. to protect for any other reason other than merely preserving them)? and if it's a truth, should we add it to this article?-- EPN-001GF IZEN བཀྲ་ཤིས་བདེ་ལེགས། 12:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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See the Ancestry website for Joaquín Balaguer. His family connections are well-documented from sources unavailable to the public. His mother is the daughter of Rosa Amelia Heureaux, whose mother is Marie Claire Furcine Warlook, daughter of Joseph Chéri Warlock père. He in turn is the son of Simeon Worlock fils, the British smallpox inoculator in Saint-Domingue in the late 1700's. Note how the name is spelled differently in succeeding generations.
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Explain what is the basis for the contention that Balaguer's Heureaux are of Haitian descent. I have read every word in the linked genealogy newspaper article, and found nothing of the sort. The mere fact that the name is French by no means proves that it is Haitian. May I point out that, as explained in my edit to the article, many French people left the French-controlled area during or before the slave rebellion that eventually gave rise to Haiti (and those who didn't were exterminated by the former slaves after they consolidated control). That does NOT make the French who left 'Haitians', since Haiti did not yet exist then, nor was that area referred as such (Saint Domingue was its name). Also, some French people migrated directly to the Eastern part (present-day DR) directly, without ever living in what eventually became Haiti. Please provide an answer before undoing my edit. Virgrod ( talk) 03:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
In conclusion, Balaguer and Heureaux's family migrating from Saint-Domingue (as per source) would have indeed made them Haitian or of Haitian descent. Personally, I also find it ironic that the Trujillos and Balaguers, who instilled propaganda towards Haiti were of Franco-Haitian origin. I guess they could never get over the fact that their ancestors lost so much wealth in Saint-Domingue at the hands of the Haitian Revolution. It makes perfect sense for them to have a personal vendetta towards them and to try to extract their revenge. Meanwhile, all of this wasn't common knowledge at one time as it is now. Surely, it would have helped José Francisco Peña Gómez's presidential candidacy against Balaguer who politically said against Gomez that he could not be trusted because he was Haitian. I think that is ironically comical. If only he knew... Savvyjack23 ( talk) 22:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I have no issues pro or against Haitian descents. I am not referring to the subject, but in a general statement. Would you like to include information about any topic in any article? Find a reference and include it. If you fail doing so, as a part of WikiProject Dominican Republic, I will remove this claim, allegation or whatever you add without a reference in a very important article for the Dominican Republic like this. Osplace 23:25, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Osplace, I'm not sure what you mean by that, regardless of WikiProject edits are to be made without bias. As for citing references, are you being serious? If I cannot find a reference I do not include my own personal work. With my examples above, you should be able to see that. Anyhow, I wasn't the one who edited that section in such detail originally. The reference that editor cited is being ignored on the "argument" made by Virgrod that the people from Saint-Domingue aren't Haitian, which I happily dispelled above. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Ulises Hilarion Heureaux Lebert (Lilís, 1845-1899). General restorer son of a Haitian father...his father, a Haitian captain of the French merchant marine, refused to raise him. (Translated from Spanish based on, "Cassá, Roberto: Gregorio Luperon and History of the Restoration, Autonomous University of Santo Domingo, 2004, Santo Domingo"). [7] You can also check his descendants here [8], as his father D'assas Heureaux was born in Haiti and died on 5 Jan 1905 in Puerto Plata. Also, Virgrod I do not appreciate the rewording you have done to these articles as no part of what you rewrote are sourced in these references given to us by another user. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Excuse me Virgrod, did you or did you not read what I wrote above? French citizenship was given to the French Caribbean in 1945. People from Saint-Domingue were not exactly French unless they went to France (which their French fathers usually did to give them a better education) and had acquired it. Your way to rationalize this with your own viewpoints without a single reference is insulting given the effort I am trying to make here. Toussaint Louverture was born a slave and made general of the highest rank for a black man. He was indeed French and had as much rights as the next white man. How could he be in control of a French army without being French? He is also recognized as a founding father of Haiti. Generally, slaves were not free, therefore never going to France to acquire citizenship. There are exceptions; Jean-Baptiste Belley was born a slave in Senegal, then brought to Saint-Domingue and then later became French and a member of the National Convention and the Council of Five Hundred of France advocating that slavery be abolished. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:48, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
It may seem controversial at first, but given the references and the breakdown of who would be considered French or Haitian is overwhelming. By the way, there is no such thing as Saint-Dominguean, there you are trying to rationalize it by yourself again. Domingue is only the French version for Domingo which is Spanish. They would both translate to Dominican after Saint Dominic, the patron Saint of both sides at the time (still is I believe for D.R.). Anyway, it could also be controversial for the Dominicans as well. When independence was made from Spain in 1821, they essentially dropped the Santo Domingo (which only remained as the capital) for the name Spanish Haiti and then became citizens of Haiti for 22 years. But am I trying to say they aren't Dominican? No. Could I attempt to dispute? It may be possible, but what good would that do? Same here. Its not doing any good labeling them as French when the facts are disproving it. But yes by blood they are French. They were Haitian of French descent even though they might have never acquired it. Its like an American born in the United States born to French parents. The only thing that changed was the name of Saint-Domingue to Haiti. All of Haiti's founders were all born (except Henri Christophe) in Saint-Domingue. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 01:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I am 100% certain. Check a book called Code Noir also. It was a book on rights in the French colonies. Also, Saint-Domingue, Guadeloupe and Martinique had the same laws applied to them. I know what Jus soli and Jus sanguinis is, that argument is irrelevant in this case. whether you choose to believe it or not, facts are facts. They were not French citizens. They were from Saint-Domingue whose name reverted back to the original name Haiti. If you cannot comment on Guadeloupe and Martinique, then you cannot comment about Haiti. These universes were parallel up until the Haitian Revolution. Like I said before, people leave their countries all the time for a better life that doesn't mean they are not from the country they are from. If you knew about the history of Haiti you would know what I am talking about. After all the references I have cited above, you still have no clue. Check this article out, written by a Dominican named FRANCISCO BERROA UBIERA, EDITOR DE NOTICULAS HISTORICAS DOMINICANAS [9] How does he know his Presidents had Haitian origins and not you? Savvyjack23 ( talk) 02:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I will Osplace, thank you. Also, I proved the Heureaux connection above. As for Balaguer, there is a relation between him and Heureaux that perhaps wasn't as clear because it is going back a long time. However, editor FRANCISCO BERROA UBIERA [10] seems to acknowledge this fact. Also, I think it was unfair to call it Haitian vandalism on the articles you recently edited removing the section with a reference to Franco-Haitian surnames from the capital of Santo Domingo itself. Okay so you need validation, but to call it vandalism or "Haitian stuff"? That's not right... Savvyjack23 ( talk) 02:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Virgrod, what's wrong with you? Just because its called Code Noir doesn't mean its only about slaves, it talks about the Jewish people and those in the colony as well. Like I said before, to ALL CITIZENS of the French colonies (white, black or whatever) were not recognized as French citizens until 1945 AS THEY THEN BECAME PART OF FRANCE ITSELF. Had Saint-Domingue remained a colony of France this law would have went into a affect for them as well, but it never did. In the French-speaking Canada, they were Franco-Canadian, not French. In New Orleans, the whites were known as French Creoles or Creoles. It was like saying French-American. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 02:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Virgrod, that is your opinion and you are making assumptions. This topic has been long talked about. I had two categories deleted French Santo Domingo descent etc., where eight or nine senior editors agreed with the Haitian descent. I can recall them all again if you'd like. You can talk to them about it. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 02:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay, understood. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 03:36, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Savvyjack23 and Osplace, I have reworded the passage under discussion as: "Ulises Heureaux's father was D’Assas Heureaux, himself a mulatto son of a Frenchman. D’Assas has been described as a Haitian who chose to become Dominican after the Dominican declaration of independence in 1844[3]. However, calling D’Assas a Haitian is controversial, because his French father must have left Western Saint Domingue while still under French rule, and before the 1804 Haiti Massacre. Hence, D'Assas either was born in or reached present-day Dominican Republic with his French father before Haiti came into existence.". That is the best I have been able to do. I hope it preserves all relevant information while addressesing all issues in a fair way. Virgrod ( talk) 20:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Virgrod, it isn't controversial at you are making it out to be, all that extra wording is rubbish. Franco-Haitian is what they were. It's not rocket science. Again, stop trying to self-rationalize it. I have sources and other editors who would agree. You were also one who said Haiti is not situated in Latin America; look where you got in that discussion. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 21:54, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
References:
They all say Haitian. Please stop alerting me in the message. Thanks. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:38, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I, myself am still getting my sources together for Balaguer, but as far as Ulises Heureaux is concerned; all the sources are present for viewing and use. (in case you were asking for him as well) Savvyjack23 ( talk) 00:07, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
References
Su madre, Josefa Leibert, era nativa de Saint Thomas, y su padre, D'Assas Heureaux, hijo de un francés, fue uno de los tantos haitianos que prefirió hacerse dominicano cuando se declaró la independencia en 1844. Padre y madre eran mulatos, aunque de piel oscura.
this article is completely ridiculous. sounds like written by a grand child of the monster.
1. he was not only accused of fraud, but also of ordering hundreds of political murders.
2. as a fact journalists, trade unionists and political dissidents of his politics were massively liquidated during the 60's, 70's and to a lesser extent the 80's. as president he bears ultimate responsibility for this.
3. as another fact even in the 90's people from poor neighborhoods were not allowed to walk in the "nice" parts of town at night. they would get arrested immediately and spent the night in jail. members of my family didn't dare to leave their barrio at night because of this. only the election of Leonel changed this almost overnight and the could start to enjoy going out in the colonial section at nigth time.
--- This is not a true representation of reality, I myself grew up in the 80's and 90's in Santo Domingo and people did not get arrested at night for being in 'nice' areas, his later periods were mild in comparison to the 12 years. The article should reflect truth, not people's long held contempt for the rich or the well to do and blame it on Balaguer.
I agree with the political murders, although, any Dominican will tell you that although it is suspected he was behind them, being the mastermind he was, no one has been able to prove his involvement, and many, many have tried. Lets stay as a factual source of info, not a compilation of urban fears, resentments and myths.
Also, The Feast of the Goat ends six months after Trujillo's 1961 execution. It covers Balaguer's maneuvering in that period, not in 1966.
This work is clearly biased towards Balaguer, especially his final term in office, acknowledged by many including the IMF as a de facto dictatorship.
Image:Jbalaguer.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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this article does seem a bit biased, but what strikes me more than that is its many spelling and grammatical errors, not to mention a number of words that have been invented. so, is there an historian on the dominican republic who could spend a fair amount of time editing this tripe? sincerely, some fool
Reads like an essay that was originally written in Spanish and then put through a computer translator. Does not represent neutral point of view, e.g., Soviet elections were not "rigged," but "arranged in advance." Hardly forms the basis for a serious article on Balaguer - better to replace it entirely.
Desert Center 14:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Start editing. Flor Silvestre 19:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Jared Diamond stated that Joaquín Balaguer was a forest protector in his book " Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed", albeit that Balaguer used repressive means to protect the forests of Dominican Republic, but was it true that Balaguer really wanted to protect the forests(to protect for preserving) even though he might have any other consideration(e.g. to protect for any other reason other than merely preserving them)? and if it's a truth, should we add it to this article?-- EPN-001GF IZEN བཀྲ་ཤིས་བདེ་ལེགས། 12:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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See the Ancestry website for Joaquín Balaguer. His family connections are well-documented from sources unavailable to the public. His mother is the daughter of Rosa Amelia Heureaux, whose mother is Marie Claire Furcine Warlook, daughter of Joseph Chéri Warlock père. He in turn is the son of Simeon Worlock fils, the British smallpox inoculator in Saint-Domingue in the late 1700's. Note how the name is spelled differently in succeeding generations.
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