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I want to believe that he is alive but I guess it isnt certain even though it has been hinted by the author himself.( Whiteboi1327 ( talk) 12:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC))
He's dead. The interview was linked to in original Japanese
This is just silly. Let it go. —Preceding
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03:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
No it isn't. For starters, it was a stand-up interview at Jump Festa. For secondly, links were posted to the Japanese sources. I think some people need to let go now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.33.61 ( talk) 03:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Stop being an idiot if you're capable of it, Snapper. For the last time: It was a stand up interview. The staff transcribed it and posted it on the blogs, what more do you want? It's not on the Jump Festa web site. So hell with your elitism, I'll keep editing it because I'm right and encourage everyone at Narutofan to do likewise. Problem? Get stuffed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.33.61 ( talk) 05:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
And for the last time: how is anyone supposed to give a written transcript of a standup interview from the website? They don't post them there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.33.61 ( talk) 15:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Is all you're capable of is being a whiny brat with too much power? What part of 'there is no direct transcript on the site' are you incapable of understanding, you idiot? In other news, Snapper? The article's going to keep getting changed. You've been shown proof and you're a pathetic fanboy in denial. The article changes. Don't like it? Get over it. Let's take this up with some higher powers. Anyone with an ounce of gray matter would realize it is provable and verifiable. What part of 'it's not written on the Jump Festa website' are you incapable of understanding? It was a huge interview given in front of thousands of people. Do you show the same attitude towards interviews given at the US with no transcripts? There were hundreds with people like Joss Whedon or Brian Michael Bendis or Kevin Smith...I think you get the point. Basically, it events out to you being a complete thickheaded idiot with too much power. Hey, I've got a question...is Deidara dead? If so...why? I never saw a body. He's blown up clones before. Who says he's dead? Pain? Why should we believe him? He said Tobi was dead, too. If Jiriaya's status cannot be confirmed, I demand Deidara's status be declared unknown. As well as that of Minato Namikaze. Did we see him die? Do we know anyone who did?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.33.61 ( talk) 03:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Really? So why are so many interviews with the three men described above at conventions and the like never transcripted? I could show you quite a few examples. Guess what, buddy: Shonen Jump knows a huge amount of fans attend their actual festivals. It was televised, shown in front of thousands of people and Jump Festa does it every year. Know what you got? You got some of the people who saw the interview transcribe it.
Get some higher powers in here, you ridiculous fool. Let's see what they think. Unless you're a complete idiot, I'll say it again: I checked with three people AT JUMP FESTA who SPEAK FLUENT JAPANESE AS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE: The interview is only for the Japanese fans. Get it? Maybe there's something you're not getting, but those are the Jump Festa blogs. Records of the stuff said on them. Why don't they count as proof?
Lord, Snapper, you're pathetic. "WAAAAH! FIND ME PROOF THAT DOESN'T EXIST! WAAAH!" Even if it was recorded on the Jump Festa webpage you'd whine since you couldn't read it.
Changing the article again! And maybe I'll changed Deidara's, too. Can you PROVE he's dead? —Preceding
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CAN WE GET SOME SEMI-PROTECTION OVER HERE!?!? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 20:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Strange. LeafNinja confirms it, too, at Jiraiya's bio.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.43.89 ( talk) 00:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
You mean like the Kishimoto interview I was kind enough to link to here in both translated and originally transcribed on the Jump Festa's blogs? Those reasons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.43.89 ( talk) 02:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
They're from the staff of Jump Festa, transcribing what isn't on Jump Festa's site. I'll say it again, ASK ANYONE AT JUMP FESTA, THEY DON'T POST THE INTERVIEWS AND THEY HAVEN'T IN YEARS. They don't need to as the interview is common knowledge to the Japanese Fans-the intended audience- who view it in the thousands. How, HOW I ask you: when Kishimoto gave an interview in front of thousands, that many have attested to as seeing it in person isn't it reliable? How, when the staff transcribes it for them, and it's attested to by anyone at the interview isn't it official? Quite frankly, it's ridiculous. See, what you don't see to realize? There is proof. And it is valid. And why don't you address what I said about Deidara? Why should he be referred to as deceased? I saw no body. He's used clay clones before as decoys. Who says he's dead? Pain. Why is Pain an absolute source on Deidara, but not Jiraiya's death? I mean, it's not like Jiraiya himself said he was dying-wait, he did... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.172 ( talk) 00:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I say it was a clone. Prove it was actually him who blew up. And translation: You just can't accept you lost. Good day, Snapper. It's cute, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.42.5 ( talk) 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
It's even cuter how you try to claim superiority on Wikipedia and refuse to answer almost any points! It really, really is. What's next, Snapper...can your dad beat up mine? And I've proven my point, actually. And I don't need to resort to a poison well fallacy to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightys ( talk • contribs) 02:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
fine, then. Thank you, Sasuke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightys ( talk • contribs) 06:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
So this is what it comes to. No one wanted to confirm Naruto's lineage despite multiple pieces of evidence that clearly stated the obvious. But, because Kishimoto doesn't feel the need to completely spell things out, we have this huge brawl going on. Jiraiya. Is. Dead. If you can't accept that from the obvious information from the manga, then you are doing a disservice to the article. Yes, it is possible that Jiraiya may come back at one time, but it is also possible that Minato may come back some day. As with comics in the US, you're only dead until the author decides to bring you back. As it is, it was CLEARLY portrayed that Jiraiya is dead.
Proof: Chapter 382, Page 4: "The measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." "It's not what they do in life, but what they do IN DEATH that proves their worth." Pgs. 4-6: Describes a life full of failures, but he wanted to end with one last great adventure. Pg. 16: Comes back for a moment, surprising Pa and Pein both. Pein was certain that Jiraiya's heart had stopped. Pg. 17: Gives information regarding Pein to Pa via touch, who says that he got it all and takes off. Jiraiya coughs up blood, smiling, and thinks, "Naruto, you're the 'Destined Child', I know it...the rest is up to you!" (Why would he say this if he wasn't dying/dead?)
This is clearly a poignant story meant to eulogize Jiraiya as well as to tell of Jiraiya's hope in Naruto to carry on in the future (one of the key themes of the entire series, the young taking up the burdens of the old, the new improving upon the old), not to mention confirming (for everyone who hadn't already accepted it) Naruto's lineage. Also: Chapter 383, Page 13: Pein - "Jiraiya is dead." Page 14: Pein tells Zetsu to come out, who witnessed the entire fight. Zetsu's dark side alerts the other side to the Sasuke/Itachi fight commencing.
Chapter 382 - A bittersweet farewell to Jiraiya. Chapter 383 - Epilogue, with commencement of the new storyline/fight.
Can we please stop this incessant bickering and accept this? The statements of 'original research' are specious at best. We HAVE a character specifically saying "JIRAIYA IS DEAD." We have a witness on the very next page. That is not original research. That is fact. DestradoZero 23:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Please point me to ANY deceased characters that have needed that requirement. Seriously. As I said to someone else, THIS kind of thing is exactly why very few people take Wikipedia seriously. Bickering, infighting, nitpicking...do you think this ever happened with any actual encyclopaedia research group? This has gone beyond ridiculous. DestradoZero 04:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DestradoTensai ( talk • contribs)
Was terrible, inconsistent and was not written encyclopedia like, so I deleted it. And we shouldn't call him dead yet, so I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Idon'twannahaveausername ( talk • contribs) 02:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Whats this whole thing about Jiraiya putting down his pen after titiling a book. Was this whole thing just a book he was writing or is this vandalism to the page? I really need to know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.131.6.124 ( talk) 20:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Page is archived. Get over the strength complaining. — Someguy0830 ( T | C) 21:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC) there is some vandalism. it is that it says that konan is on his team and that he is dead. someone do something! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.20.80 ( talk) 00:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Within the article, we twice refer to 仙人 (sennin). Once we say that Jiraiya is known as the "Toad Sage", and later that he has a power called "Hermit Mode". I understand that "Hermit Mode" seems to be the phrase bandied about by scanlaters and the popular discussion forums, but I'm uncomfortable seeing 仙人 translated in two different ways ("sage" or "hermit") in the same article, when the context is fairly similar. Should we change "Hermit Mode" to "Sage Mode"? I'll do so for now, but by all means undo the change if you disagree. Please post here explaining why if you do so. Elyssaen 12:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to know about the chronological correctness in the following sentences:
"As a child, Jiraiya and his former teammates, Orochimaru and Tsunade, were students of the Third Hokage. After leaving the Third's tutelage, he traveled the world and discovered the residence of the toads, a species he proved to have a natural affinity for."
Reason: The toad sage predicted Jiraya to become "a pervert without equal" and "a shinobi of incredible talent", when Jiraiya hears this he gets a little sceptical/dissapointed at the "pervert" part, however, while he was in the 3rd's tutelage he had already picked up a perverted habit (he gets a flashback about it (A. in the manga: somewhere around the 3rd's funeral. (B. in the anime: early in Naruto's rasengan training)... Furthermore, the red lines under Jiraiya's eyes appear to grow longer the older he gets, and I believe they appear longer when he's training with Sarutobi. Opinions? Thoughts? 81.228.148.16 21:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
It says: "Once becoming a Jonin capable of leading a squad, Jiraiya became the sensei of Arashi Uzumaki and two other unknown Genin." And when you click on Arashi Uzumaki it redirects you to the Fourth Hokage profile (or whatever you want to call it..) in list of konoha ninja, and that says his name is Minato Namikaze and that he is Fourth Hokage / Yondaime Hokage.. ~ NekoRobin
"During his battle against Pein Jiraiya loses his left arm but still combats the six bodies of Pein by eliminating three bodies with the use of his toad genjutsu; only to find that Pein can revive them." Shouldn't that be edited to read that he's losst an arm after defeating three of them? As it is, it sounds like he lost his arm, then managed to beat them, but the Raw shows him beating the three then losing said arm... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.168.119 ( talk) 18:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it's about time we remove the line "a full demonstration of Jiraiya's abilities have not yet been seen", because he's been fighting at maximum capacity for the last few chapters with Pein, so I'd say we have seen a full demonstration. Granted, he might have a few other jutsu we haven't yet seen, but I doubt they're any stronger or more effective then what he's used thusfar. 214.13.209.200 ( talk) 13:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Guys, jiraiya isnt dead yet. Well it seems like it, but we're not sure, it could be a clone or illusion, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.135.3 ( talk) 01:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing this - I thought it off when I came here directly after reading the manga. Clearly, the manga had made no distinction as to whether he was dead or not. Frankly, one more manga would be needed. Again, good job on the fixing as that could have spawned a myriad of destruction on this talk page. 74.12.7.106 ( talk) 17:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Joe
In fact he becomes one of the body's of Pain, replacing the body Jiraiya had sent to Tsunade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.247.146 ( talk) 05:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Were did u get that idea???--naruto beier Naruto Beier ( talk) 16:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Jiraiya is dead. Chapter 382 clearly says so in the last page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.244.213.251 ( talk) 22:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but he is still speaking at the end of the chapter. Technically speaking, he is not 'dead' yet but 'dying'. Therefore, I'm removing the deceased label. 12.210.215.90 ( talk) 01:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
It's unverified because Snapper is quite in denial. There's nothing questionable after the interview, know why? Because at Jump-Festa 2008, he was asked questions on stage. Got it? Not a formal written interview. On stage in a Q'n'A spot. Got it? It was transcribed, translated and later posted. Seems the burden's on you, Snapper. you need to prove it's fake. Know why? You'd been shown proof. Want to discount it? Give us evidence or shut up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.65 ( talk) 19:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Is that your only defense, Snapper? Your turn: we want proof. Verifiability: we have it. We have the translated interview of Jump-Fest 2008. Any proof it's fake? Any evidence? Jiraiya is dead, you need to get over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.65 ( talk) 00:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I have the site to where it's posted. Can you read Japanese? I'll be glad to translate for you. Know what it was, Ghost? An on-stage interview at Jump Festa 2008. Not a 'sit down, give an interview to a magazine.' It was transcribed and posted at Jump Festa's webpage. How, I ask you, can they post this interview in anything American regarding things as Itachi v. Sasuke or Jiraiya's death when the American manga is so far away? Again: we have people who were at Jump Festa posting it, we have the Jump Festa Japanese site saying it....seriously, how is this anything but verifiable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.38.12 ( talk) 20:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.jumpfesta.com/index2.html You can easily find it from here if you can read Japanese. For the proper English translation, from someone who attended Jump Festa: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=309209 I'm not even sure how one can say the interview is fake here. Even just by logic: Jiraiya was too injured to even move, impaled, missing an arm, had his throat crushed, then was slammed by that rocket punch and sinks into the depths of the lake and Pain declares him dead. He couldn't so much as move...even without Kishi's confirmation, he's a corpse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.38.12 ( talk) 21:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Likewise, I don't speak Japanese, but the original poster-who was at the Jump Festa and posted the interview originally- was kind enough to post the interview in Japanese as well on the Narutofan page. Honestly, though...we have to consider a few things: Firstly, that any member would falsify this for whatever, reason, risking another Jump Festa attendee calling them out, and taking the trouble to link to the Jump Festa, saying Kishimoto was questioned was the voice actors, stating plans for next year...said poster having posted lots of true information before and has been involved in some Naruto media, and if it was fake, would run the risk of anyone on the interweb who speaks Japanese, reads Japanese, or attended the JF to call them out. Is there any logical basis for falsifying it? I see none. And regardless of who was the target, Jiraiya took a hit there, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.38.12 ( talk) 00:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
This is just unreasonable. At Jump Festa every year, the mangaka and artists stand up and take questions. Why would there be a publicized form of it? Do we need a video of it, with Kishimoto coming on first, saying "I'm Kishimoto and I approve this message?"
There WAS a statement made in the manga and every sign points to his death. This is you not wanting to accept it. Pure administrative ego at its worst. You were given evidence. You either disprove it, or you yield to it.
What's your excuse here, Snapper? How is it in any way ambiguous? Anyone with an ounce of logic who isn't a blind fanboy seems to get the message through their skulls even before they see the interview transcript.
Apparently that doesn't include you. With people like you in charge, no wonder Wiki isn't taken seriously —Preceding
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Matter of fact, look at it this way: If Jiraiya's underwater...deep underwater. Is he breathing? now, if someone's not breathing, their heart stops beating very quickly after. now, assuming that after being impaled, he had enough of a heart left for it to beat, would his heart now be beating? Being unable to move or even SPEAK with his throat gashed out, and saying he was dying in the last chapter, is Jiraiya alive or dead now? Perhaps the ones clamoring for him not to be deceased would like to give a logical explanation? Perhaps they'd like us to edit the Star Wars Grand Moff Tarkin article to show we never see Tarkin die when the Death Star explodes? Makes just as much sense —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.190 ( talk) 18:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
And found Japanese confirmation, provided by someone AT Jumpfest: http://benten1110.blog70.fc2.com/blog-entry-354.html http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/itachisann/2007-12-24 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.38.13 ( talk) 22:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 20:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
it has not been officially confirmed, Wikipedia is all about verifiability, and since it has not been confirmed that he is dead we cant add it.-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 05:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
it has been verified-- Velanthis ( talk) 06:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
HE SANK into the water. If he tries to breathe, GHACKKKKK. If he doesn't, GHACKKKKK. So there. He's dead. Hananoshi 02:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)Hananoshi
We're not jumping to conclusions, as of the most recent chapter, Jiraiya is dead. Pein said so himself on page 13. Until his body shows up out of the water later on, he is dead until proven otherwise. The whole Dumbledore is dead/not dead edit war was done primarily due to a bunch of people who couldn't handle or accept the fact that the old man was dead, something that has to be avoided here. We go by the facts, not assumptions.-- TheUltimate3 ( talk) 20:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Man give me a break. Im only 12. Were i get this is from saiyanisland. I still think that Jiraiya is still alive. Besides,where the hell did Jiraiya meet the toads, along with the Ma and Pa. And with the sasuke thing, he was saying "I wanted to stay ALIVE, long enough to kill, my brother. Meaning that he was thinking he was about to die.-- Naruto Beier ( talk) 05:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Kakuzu killed the First and Second hokage. He said that the first konaha ninja he fought with was the first hokage. Then it showed him ripping out the heart of the first hokage. I'm not sure about the second hokage. Well that answered 1 of your questions at least. And I still think that Jiraya is still alive. And i hope you wont be a total jackass about it!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naruto Beier ( talk • contribs) 05:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
That is very true. And i hope so too.-- Naruto Beier ( talk) 02:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
i know everyone is a huge fan on the toad mountain sage, but guess what Pain killed him...no doubt about it...it would be very gay if the writer guy showed all of that drama just to have him still living —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.58.130 ( talk) 01:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, we know he’s dead, yet has Jiraiya’s death actually been officially confirmed by Kishimoto? People are saying that the proof is the fact Pain (aka Pein) said he died and some are saying Pain/Pein states he sees Jiraiya’s body at the bottom. However, having Pain/Pein say he’s dead is not really enough proof. If we put he’s dead and he either pops up alive or comes back to life it really would not look good.
So should we put his death’s has not been confirmed? Should we put “presumed deceased” until it’s confirmed? Should the article just be locked for the next few days/weeks? 216.196.213.141 ( talk) 21:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
well we cant beleve pein, and other then pain saying something it hasnt been confermed, and then next manga is next week. i think this page should be locked-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 21:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Ahh, this page looks very familiar... where did I see this before? Oh right. The same exact thing happenned on Orochimaru's page when he "died". 72.234.46.115 ( talk) 08:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Judging by this article's history, the "Jiraya-is-dead/Not-he-is-not" argument is now out of control. If this continues, the article may be declared semi-protected (locked) by the Registered users of this site, or may be deleted all together by the Wikipedia server. 216.68.184.22 ( talk) 18:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Since I am not going to get myself blocked for edit warring, I just thought I'd point out that Tintor2's recent edits make no sense and clash with the time difference between part 1 and part 2. He claims that the age difference is unsourced, but in fact, going by the already verified timeskip, that makes no sense. Please use common sense people. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 04:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Why do you think the users deleted the part 2 ages of Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Kakashi? Who knows what month is in part 2? Tintor2 ( talk) 09:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I know that. However, instead of putting the characters in an ageless Matrix-like timeloop, wouldn't it make more sense to try to fide some sources? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 21:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
We are not saying they are ageless. That source may come with the next databook. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I know that, but the way that you put this, it seems like they are. Isn't there some sort of "source pending" function that would basically say what Calculus says about getting to destinations? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 00:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I have never heard of that. Ask that to another user like User:Sephiroth BCR or User talk:Snapper2. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it would be better if we just show the ages if all the Naruto characters were at the beginning of part I.
This seems to be what everyone else has decided to do with manga/anime/cartoon/comic characters for right now anyway. What do you think?-- Halls452 ( talk) 01:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The problem is that we are trying to get this resolved in a way that everyone will be happy and we will not hae a problem once the semi-protection expires. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 02:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Well if the argument for getting rid of the ages of the characters in "Part II" is that we can't confirm the month it started, then the same can be said about aging them during "Part I." So it would be better to just show the age the characters were when they first appeared.
BTW, if you do reinsert the ages for "Part II characters, here's a (possible) update: I've read somewhere that Naruto's "graduation class" from "Part I" had aged 15-16 in the current chapters ("Part II") in Japan. This would mean Jiraiya age in the second part is/was 53-54.-- Halls452 ( talk) 03:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Some time ago I added a bit of an early of Jiraiya but it was a bit improvised since I dont know japanese. Can somebody who knows japanese read [2] and check if there is more info to add more? Tintor2 ( talk) 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
One of the Pain copies before he died so he was killed by 5 bodies not 6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.250.64.17 ( talk) 21:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I was re-reading the article and and saw some of the references to the character page. Namely, Uzumaki Kushina, and the Toads. There are no part that defining these characters in the Naruto Characters page. Please refrain yourselves making references to non existing character definitions. -- Fotte ( talk) 12:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Stupid question but I been wondering... where are the 3 legendary sannin's headband?-- Vzing —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
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I want to believe that he is alive but I guess it isnt certain even though it has been hinted by the author himself.( Whiteboi1327 ( talk) 12:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC))
He's dead. The interview was linked to in original Japanese
This is just silly. Let it go. —Preceding
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No it isn't. For starters, it was a stand-up interview at Jump Festa. For secondly, links were posted to the Japanese sources. I think some people need to let go now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.33.61 ( talk) 03:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Stop being an idiot if you're capable of it, Snapper. For the last time: It was a stand up interview. The staff transcribed it and posted it on the blogs, what more do you want? It's not on the Jump Festa web site. So hell with your elitism, I'll keep editing it because I'm right and encourage everyone at Narutofan to do likewise. Problem? Get stuffed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.33.61 ( talk) 05:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
And for the last time: how is anyone supposed to give a written transcript of a standup interview from the website? They don't post them there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.33.61 ( talk) 15:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Is all you're capable of is being a whiny brat with too much power? What part of 'there is no direct transcript on the site' are you incapable of understanding, you idiot? In other news, Snapper? The article's going to keep getting changed. You've been shown proof and you're a pathetic fanboy in denial. The article changes. Don't like it? Get over it. Let's take this up with some higher powers. Anyone with an ounce of gray matter would realize it is provable and verifiable. What part of 'it's not written on the Jump Festa website' are you incapable of understanding? It was a huge interview given in front of thousands of people. Do you show the same attitude towards interviews given at the US with no transcripts? There were hundreds with people like Joss Whedon or Brian Michael Bendis or Kevin Smith...I think you get the point. Basically, it events out to you being a complete thickheaded idiot with too much power. Hey, I've got a question...is Deidara dead? If so...why? I never saw a body. He's blown up clones before. Who says he's dead? Pain? Why should we believe him? He said Tobi was dead, too. If Jiriaya's status cannot be confirmed, I demand Deidara's status be declared unknown. As well as that of Minato Namikaze. Did we see him die? Do we know anyone who did?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.33.61 ( talk) 03:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Really? So why are so many interviews with the three men described above at conventions and the like never transcripted? I could show you quite a few examples. Guess what, buddy: Shonen Jump knows a huge amount of fans attend their actual festivals. It was televised, shown in front of thousands of people and Jump Festa does it every year. Know what you got? You got some of the people who saw the interview transcribe it.
Get some higher powers in here, you ridiculous fool. Let's see what they think. Unless you're a complete idiot, I'll say it again: I checked with three people AT JUMP FESTA who SPEAK FLUENT JAPANESE AS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE: The interview is only for the Japanese fans. Get it? Maybe there's something you're not getting, but those are the Jump Festa blogs. Records of the stuff said on them. Why don't they count as proof?
Lord, Snapper, you're pathetic. "WAAAAH! FIND ME PROOF THAT DOESN'T EXIST! WAAAH!" Even if it was recorded on the Jump Festa webpage you'd whine since you couldn't read it.
Changing the article again! And maybe I'll changed Deidara's, too. Can you PROVE he's dead? —Preceding
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CAN WE GET SOME SEMI-PROTECTION OVER HERE!?!? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 20:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Strange. LeafNinja confirms it, too, at Jiraiya's bio.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.43.89 ( talk) 00:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
You mean like the Kishimoto interview I was kind enough to link to here in both translated and originally transcribed on the Jump Festa's blogs? Those reasons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.43.89 ( talk) 02:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
They're from the staff of Jump Festa, transcribing what isn't on Jump Festa's site. I'll say it again, ASK ANYONE AT JUMP FESTA, THEY DON'T POST THE INTERVIEWS AND THEY HAVEN'T IN YEARS. They don't need to as the interview is common knowledge to the Japanese Fans-the intended audience- who view it in the thousands. How, HOW I ask you: when Kishimoto gave an interview in front of thousands, that many have attested to as seeing it in person isn't it reliable? How, when the staff transcribes it for them, and it's attested to by anyone at the interview isn't it official? Quite frankly, it's ridiculous. See, what you don't see to realize? There is proof. And it is valid. And why don't you address what I said about Deidara? Why should he be referred to as deceased? I saw no body. He's used clay clones before as decoys. Who says he's dead? Pain. Why is Pain an absolute source on Deidara, but not Jiraiya's death? I mean, it's not like Jiraiya himself said he was dying-wait, he did... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.172 ( talk) 00:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I say it was a clone. Prove it was actually him who blew up. And translation: You just can't accept you lost. Good day, Snapper. It's cute, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.42.5 ( talk) 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
It's even cuter how you try to claim superiority on Wikipedia and refuse to answer almost any points! It really, really is. What's next, Snapper...can your dad beat up mine? And I've proven my point, actually. And I don't need to resort to a poison well fallacy to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightys ( talk • contribs) 02:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
fine, then. Thank you, Sasuke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightys ( talk • contribs) 06:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
So this is what it comes to. No one wanted to confirm Naruto's lineage despite multiple pieces of evidence that clearly stated the obvious. But, because Kishimoto doesn't feel the need to completely spell things out, we have this huge brawl going on. Jiraiya. Is. Dead. If you can't accept that from the obvious information from the manga, then you are doing a disservice to the article. Yes, it is possible that Jiraiya may come back at one time, but it is also possible that Minato may come back some day. As with comics in the US, you're only dead until the author decides to bring you back. As it is, it was CLEARLY portrayed that Jiraiya is dead.
Proof: Chapter 382, Page 4: "The measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." "It's not what they do in life, but what they do IN DEATH that proves their worth." Pgs. 4-6: Describes a life full of failures, but he wanted to end with one last great adventure. Pg. 16: Comes back for a moment, surprising Pa and Pein both. Pein was certain that Jiraiya's heart had stopped. Pg. 17: Gives information regarding Pein to Pa via touch, who says that he got it all and takes off. Jiraiya coughs up blood, smiling, and thinks, "Naruto, you're the 'Destined Child', I know it...the rest is up to you!" (Why would he say this if he wasn't dying/dead?)
This is clearly a poignant story meant to eulogize Jiraiya as well as to tell of Jiraiya's hope in Naruto to carry on in the future (one of the key themes of the entire series, the young taking up the burdens of the old, the new improving upon the old), not to mention confirming (for everyone who hadn't already accepted it) Naruto's lineage. Also: Chapter 383, Page 13: Pein - "Jiraiya is dead." Page 14: Pein tells Zetsu to come out, who witnessed the entire fight. Zetsu's dark side alerts the other side to the Sasuke/Itachi fight commencing.
Chapter 382 - A bittersweet farewell to Jiraiya. Chapter 383 - Epilogue, with commencement of the new storyline/fight.
Can we please stop this incessant bickering and accept this? The statements of 'original research' are specious at best. We HAVE a character specifically saying "JIRAIYA IS DEAD." We have a witness on the very next page. That is not original research. That is fact. DestradoZero 23:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Please point me to ANY deceased characters that have needed that requirement. Seriously. As I said to someone else, THIS kind of thing is exactly why very few people take Wikipedia seriously. Bickering, infighting, nitpicking...do you think this ever happened with any actual encyclopaedia research group? This has gone beyond ridiculous. DestradoZero 04:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DestradoTensai ( talk • contribs)
Was terrible, inconsistent and was not written encyclopedia like, so I deleted it. And we shouldn't call him dead yet, so I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Idon'twannahaveausername ( talk • contribs) 02:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Whats this whole thing about Jiraiya putting down his pen after titiling a book. Was this whole thing just a book he was writing or is this vandalism to the page? I really need to know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.131.6.124 ( talk) 20:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Page is archived. Get over the strength complaining. — Someguy0830 ( T | C) 21:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC) there is some vandalism. it is that it says that konan is on his team and that he is dead. someone do something! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.20.80 ( talk) 00:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Within the article, we twice refer to 仙人 (sennin). Once we say that Jiraiya is known as the "Toad Sage", and later that he has a power called "Hermit Mode". I understand that "Hermit Mode" seems to be the phrase bandied about by scanlaters and the popular discussion forums, but I'm uncomfortable seeing 仙人 translated in two different ways ("sage" or "hermit") in the same article, when the context is fairly similar. Should we change "Hermit Mode" to "Sage Mode"? I'll do so for now, but by all means undo the change if you disagree. Please post here explaining why if you do so. Elyssaen 12:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to know about the chronological correctness in the following sentences:
"As a child, Jiraiya and his former teammates, Orochimaru and Tsunade, were students of the Third Hokage. After leaving the Third's tutelage, he traveled the world and discovered the residence of the toads, a species he proved to have a natural affinity for."
Reason: The toad sage predicted Jiraya to become "a pervert without equal" and "a shinobi of incredible talent", when Jiraiya hears this he gets a little sceptical/dissapointed at the "pervert" part, however, while he was in the 3rd's tutelage he had already picked up a perverted habit (he gets a flashback about it (A. in the manga: somewhere around the 3rd's funeral. (B. in the anime: early in Naruto's rasengan training)... Furthermore, the red lines under Jiraiya's eyes appear to grow longer the older he gets, and I believe they appear longer when he's training with Sarutobi. Opinions? Thoughts? 81.228.148.16 21:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
It says: "Once becoming a Jonin capable of leading a squad, Jiraiya became the sensei of Arashi Uzumaki and two other unknown Genin." And when you click on Arashi Uzumaki it redirects you to the Fourth Hokage profile (or whatever you want to call it..) in list of konoha ninja, and that says his name is Minato Namikaze and that he is Fourth Hokage / Yondaime Hokage.. ~ NekoRobin
"During his battle against Pein Jiraiya loses his left arm but still combats the six bodies of Pein by eliminating three bodies with the use of his toad genjutsu; only to find that Pein can revive them." Shouldn't that be edited to read that he's losst an arm after defeating three of them? As it is, it sounds like he lost his arm, then managed to beat them, but the Raw shows him beating the three then losing said arm... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.168.119 ( talk) 18:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it's about time we remove the line "a full demonstration of Jiraiya's abilities have not yet been seen", because he's been fighting at maximum capacity for the last few chapters with Pein, so I'd say we have seen a full demonstration. Granted, he might have a few other jutsu we haven't yet seen, but I doubt they're any stronger or more effective then what he's used thusfar. 214.13.209.200 ( talk) 13:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Guys, jiraiya isnt dead yet. Well it seems like it, but we're not sure, it could be a clone or illusion, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.135.3 ( talk) 01:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing this - I thought it off when I came here directly after reading the manga. Clearly, the manga had made no distinction as to whether he was dead or not. Frankly, one more manga would be needed. Again, good job on the fixing as that could have spawned a myriad of destruction on this talk page. 74.12.7.106 ( talk) 17:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Joe
In fact he becomes one of the body's of Pain, replacing the body Jiraiya had sent to Tsunade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.247.146 ( talk) 05:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Were did u get that idea???--naruto beier Naruto Beier ( talk) 16:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Jiraiya is dead. Chapter 382 clearly says so in the last page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.244.213.251 ( talk) 22:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but he is still speaking at the end of the chapter. Technically speaking, he is not 'dead' yet but 'dying'. Therefore, I'm removing the deceased label. 12.210.215.90 ( talk) 01:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
It's unverified because Snapper is quite in denial. There's nothing questionable after the interview, know why? Because at Jump-Festa 2008, he was asked questions on stage. Got it? Not a formal written interview. On stage in a Q'n'A spot. Got it? It was transcribed, translated and later posted. Seems the burden's on you, Snapper. you need to prove it's fake. Know why? You'd been shown proof. Want to discount it? Give us evidence or shut up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.65 ( talk) 19:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Is that your only defense, Snapper? Your turn: we want proof. Verifiability: we have it. We have the translated interview of Jump-Fest 2008. Any proof it's fake? Any evidence? Jiraiya is dead, you need to get over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.65 ( talk) 00:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I have the site to where it's posted. Can you read Japanese? I'll be glad to translate for you. Know what it was, Ghost? An on-stage interview at Jump Festa 2008. Not a 'sit down, give an interview to a magazine.' It was transcribed and posted at Jump Festa's webpage. How, I ask you, can they post this interview in anything American regarding things as Itachi v. Sasuke or Jiraiya's death when the American manga is so far away? Again: we have people who were at Jump Festa posting it, we have the Jump Festa Japanese site saying it....seriously, how is this anything but verifiable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.38.12 ( talk) 20:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.jumpfesta.com/index2.html You can easily find it from here if you can read Japanese. For the proper English translation, from someone who attended Jump Festa: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=309209 I'm not even sure how one can say the interview is fake here. Even just by logic: Jiraiya was too injured to even move, impaled, missing an arm, had his throat crushed, then was slammed by that rocket punch and sinks into the depths of the lake and Pain declares him dead. He couldn't so much as move...even without Kishi's confirmation, he's a corpse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.38.12 ( talk) 21:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Likewise, I don't speak Japanese, but the original poster-who was at the Jump Festa and posted the interview originally- was kind enough to post the interview in Japanese as well on the Narutofan page. Honestly, though...we have to consider a few things: Firstly, that any member would falsify this for whatever, reason, risking another Jump Festa attendee calling them out, and taking the trouble to link to the Jump Festa, saying Kishimoto was questioned was the voice actors, stating plans for next year...said poster having posted lots of true information before and has been involved in some Naruto media, and if it was fake, would run the risk of anyone on the interweb who speaks Japanese, reads Japanese, or attended the JF to call them out. Is there any logical basis for falsifying it? I see none. And regardless of who was the target, Jiraiya took a hit there, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.38.12 ( talk) 00:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
This is just unreasonable. At Jump Festa every year, the mangaka and artists stand up and take questions. Why would there be a publicized form of it? Do we need a video of it, with Kishimoto coming on first, saying "I'm Kishimoto and I approve this message?"
There WAS a statement made in the manga and every sign points to his death. This is you not wanting to accept it. Pure administrative ego at its worst. You were given evidence. You either disprove it, or you yield to it.
What's your excuse here, Snapper? How is it in any way ambiguous? Anyone with an ounce of logic who isn't a blind fanboy seems to get the message through their skulls even before they see the interview transcript.
Apparently that doesn't include you. With people like you in charge, no wonder Wiki isn't taken seriously —Preceding
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Matter of fact, look at it this way: If Jiraiya's underwater...deep underwater. Is he breathing? now, if someone's not breathing, their heart stops beating very quickly after. now, assuming that after being impaled, he had enough of a heart left for it to beat, would his heart now be beating? Being unable to move or even SPEAK with his throat gashed out, and saying he was dying in the last chapter, is Jiraiya alive or dead now? Perhaps the ones clamoring for him not to be deceased would like to give a logical explanation? Perhaps they'd like us to edit the Star Wars Grand Moff Tarkin article to show we never see Tarkin die when the Death Star explodes? Makes just as much sense —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.190 ( talk) 18:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
And found Japanese confirmation, provided by someone AT Jumpfest: http://benten1110.blog70.fc2.com/blog-entry-354.html http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/itachisann/2007-12-24 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.38.13 ( talk) 22:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 20:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
it has not been officially confirmed, Wikipedia is all about verifiability, and since it has not been confirmed that he is dead we cant add it.-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 05:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
it has been verified-- Velanthis ( talk) 06:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
HE SANK into the water. If he tries to breathe, GHACKKKKK. If he doesn't, GHACKKKKK. So there. He's dead. Hananoshi 02:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)Hananoshi
We're not jumping to conclusions, as of the most recent chapter, Jiraiya is dead. Pein said so himself on page 13. Until his body shows up out of the water later on, he is dead until proven otherwise. The whole Dumbledore is dead/not dead edit war was done primarily due to a bunch of people who couldn't handle or accept the fact that the old man was dead, something that has to be avoided here. We go by the facts, not assumptions.-- TheUltimate3 ( talk) 20:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Man give me a break. Im only 12. Were i get this is from saiyanisland. I still think that Jiraiya is still alive. Besides,where the hell did Jiraiya meet the toads, along with the Ma and Pa. And with the sasuke thing, he was saying "I wanted to stay ALIVE, long enough to kill, my brother. Meaning that he was thinking he was about to die.-- Naruto Beier ( talk) 05:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Kakuzu killed the First and Second hokage. He said that the first konaha ninja he fought with was the first hokage. Then it showed him ripping out the heart of the first hokage. I'm not sure about the second hokage. Well that answered 1 of your questions at least. And I still think that Jiraya is still alive. And i hope you wont be a total jackass about it!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naruto Beier ( talk • contribs) 05:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
That is very true. And i hope so too.-- Naruto Beier ( talk) 02:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
i know everyone is a huge fan on the toad mountain sage, but guess what Pain killed him...no doubt about it...it would be very gay if the writer guy showed all of that drama just to have him still living —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.58.130 ( talk) 01:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, we know he’s dead, yet has Jiraiya’s death actually been officially confirmed by Kishimoto? People are saying that the proof is the fact Pain (aka Pein) said he died and some are saying Pain/Pein states he sees Jiraiya’s body at the bottom. However, having Pain/Pein say he’s dead is not really enough proof. If we put he’s dead and he either pops up alive or comes back to life it really would not look good.
So should we put his death’s has not been confirmed? Should we put “presumed deceased” until it’s confirmed? Should the article just be locked for the next few days/weeks? 216.196.213.141 ( talk) 21:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
well we cant beleve pein, and other then pain saying something it hasnt been confermed, and then next manga is next week. i think this page should be locked-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 21:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Ahh, this page looks very familiar... where did I see this before? Oh right. The same exact thing happenned on Orochimaru's page when he "died". 72.234.46.115 ( talk) 08:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Judging by this article's history, the "Jiraya-is-dead/Not-he-is-not" argument is now out of control. If this continues, the article may be declared semi-protected (locked) by the Registered users of this site, or may be deleted all together by the Wikipedia server. 216.68.184.22 ( talk) 18:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Since I am not going to get myself blocked for edit warring, I just thought I'd point out that Tintor2's recent edits make no sense and clash with the time difference between part 1 and part 2. He claims that the age difference is unsourced, but in fact, going by the already verified timeskip, that makes no sense. Please use common sense people. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 04:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Why do you think the users deleted the part 2 ages of Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Kakashi? Who knows what month is in part 2? Tintor2 ( talk) 09:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I know that. However, instead of putting the characters in an ageless Matrix-like timeloop, wouldn't it make more sense to try to fide some sources? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 21:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
We are not saying they are ageless. That source may come with the next databook. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I know that, but the way that you put this, it seems like they are. Isn't there some sort of "source pending" function that would basically say what Calculus says about getting to destinations? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 00:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I have never heard of that. Ask that to another user like User:Sephiroth BCR or User talk:Snapper2. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it would be better if we just show the ages if all the Naruto characters were at the beginning of part I.
This seems to be what everyone else has decided to do with manga/anime/cartoon/comic characters for right now anyway. What do you think?-- Halls452 ( talk) 01:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The problem is that we are trying to get this resolved in a way that everyone will be happy and we will not hae a problem once the semi-protection expires. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 02:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Well if the argument for getting rid of the ages of the characters in "Part II" is that we can't confirm the month it started, then the same can be said about aging them during "Part I." So it would be better to just show the age the characters were when they first appeared.
BTW, if you do reinsert the ages for "Part II characters, here's a (possible) update: I've read somewhere that Naruto's "graduation class" from "Part I" had aged 15-16 in the current chapters ("Part II") in Japan. This would mean Jiraiya age in the second part is/was 53-54.-- Halls452 ( talk) 03:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Some time ago I added a bit of an early of Jiraiya but it was a bit improvised since I dont know japanese. Can somebody who knows japanese read [2] and check if there is more info to add more? Tintor2 ( talk) 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
One of the Pain copies before he died so he was killed by 5 bodies not 6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.250.64.17 ( talk) 21:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I was re-reading the article and and saw some of the references to the character page. Namely, Uzumaki Kushina, and the Toads. There are no part that defining these characters in the Naruto Characters page. Please refrain yourselves making references to non existing character definitions. -- Fotte ( talk) 12:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Stupid question but I been wondering... where are the 3 legendary sannin's headband?-- Vzing —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)