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List of surviving North American P-51 Mustangs

List of surviving North American P-51 Mustangs should be modified in its criteria for inclusion to include planes operating after the war, so that this plane can be listed. otherwise, the list over time will have no information.(mercurywoodrose) 75.61.134.173 ( talk) 04:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Merger

This article is repeating most of the information from other articles. One article, 2011 Reno Air Races crash is enough.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 21:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply

  • This article has information that is not included in the article you stated. Information on Jimmy Leeward, such as when he was born and films he was in, is only in this article. 204.106.252.64 ( talk) 22:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply
This could easily be fixed in a merger. There is no great need for a WP:BLP here.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 00:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply
While that might be true about a person who was only notible for the fact of the accident, then I would think that it would be a good idea to merge the articles together. However, we are dealing with an article on a person who was notible for the facts that he was a part of the crash, which sadly pointed out the lack of this article, and the fact that he was a notible aviator. Because of this, I do not think that a merger would be the best idea, especally at this moment in time. In addition to the pervious fact, I feel that a list of movies he was in would belong more in an article about him, rather that in an article about a deadly accident, unless the films referenced the accident which they do not. That information would likely end up being removed from the merged article, reducing the amount of information available on him. (That reminds me that the cast for those movies needs to be checked and updated later) 204.106.252.64 ( talk) 01:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply
Well, I think there is evidence that he may be notable by himself. He was apparently regarded as a well-known air racer. [1] [2] If air racing is notable as a sport, then so should the most famous racers. Nanobear ( talk) 01:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply
Not true, unless you want to violate policy. notability is not inherited, and existence is not notability. There are general notability guidelines, and if they cannot be met, then an article is a no-go. Considering almost nobody heard of him until after his death, and there's no solid bio info for him until about the late 80's, it may not be as easy as you think to prove notability that isn't from one event. MSJapan ( talk) 21:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply
"Considering that almost nobody heard of him until after his death" is true only for those not involve in U.S. aviation. Within that community, he was definitely "notable." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chhamilton3 ( talkcontribs) 05:07, 27 January 2012 (UTC) reply

Corporations

I am not sure if this will be of any help, but according to records from the Flordia State of Department's Division of Corporations, he seems to be the owner of several corporations. It is a long list: Deerwood Investment Corp., Aero-Trans Corp., Leeward Air Ranch Airport, Inc., Leeward Air Ranch Property Owners Association, Inc., County-Wide Utility Co., Inc., Business Communities, Inc., and Squadron 567 Corp.. If anyone can find a use for this information to be used to improve the article, then have at it. 204.106.252.64 ( talk) 02:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Photo

Odd. He looks just like a P-51! - BilCat ( talk) 15:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Removed - it's not an appropriate photo for a supposedly notable biographical subject (emphasis mine to make a point). This is an encyclopedia, not Wikinews, nor is it "let's dissect the accident here based on YouTube footage! What does the NTSB know that we don't?" MSJapan ( talk) 21:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply
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List of surviving North American P-51 Mustangs

List of surviving North American P-51 Mustangs should be modified in its criteria for inclusion to include planes operating after the war, so that this plane can be listed. otherwise, the list over time will have no information.(mercurywoodrose) 75.61.134.173 ( talk) 04:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Merger

This article is repeating most of the information from other articles. One article, 2011 Reno Air Races crash is enough.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 21:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply

  • This article has information that is not included in the article you stated. Information on Jimmy Leeward, such as when he was born and films he was in, is only in this article. 204.106.252.64 ( talk) 22:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply
This could easily be fixed in a merger. There is no great need for a WP:BLP here.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 00:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply
While that might be true about a person who was only notible for the fact of the accident, then I would think that it would be a good idea to merge the articles together. However, we are dealing with an article on a person who was notible for the facts that he was a part of the crash, which sadly pointed out the lack of this article, and the fact that he was a notible aviator. Because of this, I do not think that a merger would be the best idea, especally at this moment in time. In addition to the pervious fact, I feel that a list of movies he was in would belong more in an article about him, rather that in an article about a deadly accident, unless the films referenced the accident which they do not. That information would likely end up being removed from the merged article, reducing the amount of information available on him. (That reminds me that the cast for those movies needs to be checked and updated later) 204.106.252.64 ( talk) 01:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply
Well, I think there is evidence that he may be notable by himself. He was apparently regarded as a well-known air racer. [1] [2] If air racing is notable as a sport, then so should the most famous racers. Nanobear ( talk) 01:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply
Not true, unless you want to violate policy. notability is not inherited, and existence is not notability. There are general notability guidelines, and if they cannot be met, then an article is a no-go. Considering almost nobody heard of him until after his death, and there's no solid bio info for him until about the late 80's, it may not be as easy as you think to prove notability that isn't from one event. MSJapan ( talk) 21:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply
"Considering that almost nobody heard of him until after his death" is true only for those not involve in U.S. aviation. Within that community, he was definitely "notable." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chhamilton3 ( talkcontribs) 05:07, 27 January 2012 (UTC) reply

Corporations

I am not sure if this will be of any help, but according to records from the Flordia State of Department's Division of Corporations, he seems to be the owner of several corporations. It is a long list: Deerwood Investment Corp., Aero-Trans Corp., Leeward Air Ranch Airport, Inc., Leeward Air Ranch Property Owners Association, Inc., County-Wide Utility Co., Inc., Business Communities, Inc., and Squadron 567 Corp.. If anyone can find a use for this information to be used to improve the article, then have at it. 204.106.252.64 ( talk) 02:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Photo

Odd. He looks just like a P-51! - BilCat ( talk) 15:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Removed - it's not an appropriate photo for a supposedly notable biographical subject (emphasis mine to make a point). This is an encyclopedia, not Wikinews, nor is it "let's dissect the accident here based on YouTube footage! What does the NTSB know that we don't?" MSJapan ( talk) 21:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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