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I've heard (from several sources) that the muppets performed during the funeral (or was it the memorial service, if that's different in this case). I can't seem to find a decent first-hand account (other than the director's commentary for the movie Love Actually, which I've since returned to the video store). So if someone knows anything concrete about that, it would make a nice addition to the "died" paragraph. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 02:56, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The Muppet Show DVD that contains the Harry Belafonte episode also contains Bryan Henson's commentary about his dad's funeral, and I THINK I remember some footage of Mr. Belafonte performing at the funeral/memorial service. I believe this performance contained the "special" muppets that appeared in one number with Belafonte on the Muppet Show and never appeared again until the funeral.
Yes, Kermit the Frog and Big Bird did in fact preform at Jim Henson's Funeral. Kermit and Big Bird sang the song "It's Not That Easy Being Green."
The article mentions Yoda, but I thought that Jabba the Hutt was also partly a muppet?
Never heard of her (my Sesame Street years were probably 1980-1985 or so). Was this post-Henson? If so, it probably doesn't belong in the article, though it's definitely interesting. Jdavidb 20:48, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Was The Electric Company a Henson production? Was Julia Grownup a character he (and or his company) were responsible for creating? The Electric Company article doesn't mention Henson, although I found references online that say that Muppets "occasionally" visited the show. Jdavidb 15:38, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Electric Company was done during the time Henson worked on Sesame Street, and it was done by Children's Television Workshop, but I don't think Henson had anything to do with it. Certainly the Muppets as such were not involved. And while I was a pretty regular viewer, I don't even remember seeing them as guests. Anyway, Julia Grownup was definitely not a Muppet, but was played by Judy Graubart.
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I was actually at the memorial service at the cathedral of St. John the Divine in Manhattan.
There was a musical performance by the core group of Muppet performers. A handful of "Jim's favorite songs" were performed by Frank Oz, Jerry Nelson, Dave Goelz,Steve Whitmire (wearing a Kermit green suit, as he was to be the future voice of Kermit) Kevin Clash and Richard Hunt. Songs included, Coddleston Pie, You Are my Sunshine, Lydia the Tattoed Lady and more. The performance culminated with the song If Just One Person Believes in You. This song was begun by Richard Hunt working the Muppet Scooter. As each verse progressed each puppeteer reached behind and revealed their Muppet to join in and as the song drew to it's final verses all the Muppet performers holding Muppets they made famous joined the core group onstage and finished the song to a tearful standing ovation.
Big Bird , earlier in the memorial service, sang, It's Not Easy Being Green alone, not with Kermit as mentioned on the site. He was wearing a Kermit green bow tie and at the songs conclusion, obviously broken up, he gazed upwards and said, "Thank you Kermit."
Hope this info adds to the page regarding Jim Henson.
Chris
There is footage of the memorial service in a PBS documentary on Jim Henson, but I don't think the services were actually televised... Can anyone confirm or deny this? whysanitynet 21:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not believe that Jim had anything to do with the production on any Star Wars films: Neither Jim Henson nor the Jim Henson Creature Shop appear anywhere in the Star Wars credits, and Star Wars doesn't appear on the IMDB listing for either Jim Henson or the Jim Henson Creature Shop. Both Lucas and Henson have produced mostly at Elstree Studios, and they share many collaborators in common, including of course Frank Oz, but except for "Labyrinth", I don't think they worked together, and I don't think Henson was any part of the creation of Yoda or the Star Wars creatures. I am removing the picture and the reference. Please feel free to reinstate it if you can point to a reliable source. BarkingDoc]]
There is no mention of his family, I understand he had a daughter, Lisa Henson, who also has made a name for herself; I imagine he also married and had other children. If someone can find out more about that, it would be a great addition to Wikipedia.
Hello! I noticed the article is rather short (i.e. possibly not comprehensive) and desperately lacks references. Also, the Kermit sculpture image has no copyright information and the three fair use images use the old {{ fairuse}} tags when they should use more specific ones, and do not provide rationale.
I'm nominating the article for a major featured article review and I hope it would be considerably improved very soon. If not, it would very likely be removed from the list of featured articles. Todor → Bozhinov 20:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if Richard Curtis should really be allotted a block quote about Henson's funeral, especially since at least two details in his description of the event are verifiably false, both by Jim Hill's recounting and the NYT article on the funeral. What is his block quote doing that an encyclopedic summary couldn't do? - Hobbesy3 13:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Was Henson a Scientologist?
This statement has appeared in some articles, but I see no supporting references. 69.228.222.44 ( talk) 06:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
This little question has been bothering me for some time - Was Jim Henson a Christian? As he seperated from the Christian Scientist church (which is considered a cult), it seems to me he could very well have become a Protestant or Catholic. There are a few "Christian" themes in the show, and it just feels to me he might have been a Christian. I have not found that answer anywhere, so if anyone knows, please answer. Thanks!
You know, it doesn't matter, I suppose. Neither does where he was born, really. However, it's an interesting piece of information to include in the article. It's a biographical article, and his religion and how it influenced his work is biographical information. I'm interested in learning more about this now, too. No real reason, just that I am now curious.-- Raulpascal 21:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
As issues are corrected, strike-through the suggestions (starting after the *) and place {{ done}} after.
Additionally, Henson wanted the muppet characters to "speak" more creatively that previous puppets had which seemed to have random mouth movements; he (used and) directed his muppeteers to use precision mouth movements to match the dialogue. I heard this in a documentary about the Muppets years ago but I'm not sure how to add a "citation needed" if that what's needed-- Dcrasno ( talk) 22:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I've known since I was a child who Jim Henson is, but I did not know any details of his life or accomplishments. He has always simply been "The Muppet creator", to me. However, in reading this article, I was not only educated, I was touched. This article is informative and wonderfully well written. Both balanced and broad, the authors of this article have honored Jim Henson and, for that, should all be proud.
With that said, the article has some areas in need of improvement. There were several minor issues with the article that I corrected myself. I recommend looking through the article history to see these changes for future knowledge. I've placed this article on hold for no more than seven days so that these changes can be made. I will continue to help and, I'm sure, the article will be a GA by this time next week. LaraLove T/ C 05:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The easiest way to write a lead is to write a concise summary of each section of the article in the order they appear in the article. See WP:LEAD for further details. But, basically, you just want to write a couple of sentences regarding the most important and notable information from each section, and break this information down into 2-4 paragraphs. For this article, probably 4. Let me know if you need help. LaraLove T/ C 05:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Everything looks good now. Congratulations, and good work. Lara Love 19:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
The introduction is rather long. Guest. 3:45AM 13 April 2008 —Preceding
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Should it be mentioned that Jim Henson was against adding major female puppets to Sesame Street and other shows? Should it also be mentioned that he disliked the falsetto voices men did when playing female puppets and that he was against women controlling puppets because he thought it was unladylike? I'm not starting rumors, the info came from this book ( http://www.amazon.com/Saturday-Morning-Censors-Television-Console-ing/dp/0822322404/) of course, it may not all be true. :-) OughtToShip ( talk) 00:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
If he was against it, Fran Brill wouldn't be performing Prairie Dawn and Zoe Monster. Angie Y. ( talk) 16:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
He may still have been against it, but there were other people involved in Sesame Street besides him. I think more research should be done before a conclusion is reached. -- Javawizard ( talk) 05:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
If I had the power to pull a soul back to Earth and make that person flesh again, I'd pull Jim back to Earth. He's one of the most talented men in the World, and I cry knowing I am touched by his amazing work. Angie Y. ( talk) 16:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the peacock template to the top of the page due to the first sentence, which essentially attempts to state that he was the greatest puppeteer in american television history, or whatever. He did a lot of great things with puppets, but that is quite obviously peacock terms. Even though it cites a source for the information, I still think that it is peacock terms. Just because some random website (not to diminish howstuffworks.com, which I've used numerous times) says that something is the most awesome, bestest [ sic] thing in the world or in the americas doesn't mean that it really is. -- Javawizard ( talk) 05:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Happened on this article, which is a world away from the one that was delisted as a Featured Article in July 2006. Anyone who's knowledgeable about the mechanics want to scrub this up and renominate it? Bongo matic 13:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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what's up with his eye? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.63.11.185 ( talk) 01:24, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be a good idea, to have a section with personal quotes of Jim Henson. E.g. "When I was young, my ambition was to be one of the people who made a difference in this world. My hope still is to leave the world a little bit better for my having been here. It's a wonderful life and I love it." (reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRO-ZOq1Ac). And "We should love people not for their similarities, but for their differences." (reference: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/remembering-my-dad-jim-henson.html). 79.224.83.49 ( talk) 19:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
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The side panel lists only Henson's high school under "Education", but then the article itself mentions that he graduated with a B.S. from the University of Maryland, where he quite notably gained his interest in puppetry and began creating shows. Shouldn't his undergraduate education be mentioned in the sidebar? 98.204.174.209 ( talk) 05:37, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I watched the Elmo documentary with Kevin Clash, and wanted to know if Jim Henson ever patented what was referred to as "the Henson stitch." It was a method of hiding muppet stitching by putting the stitch on the nose and throat. No luck finding sources for it yet.
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Illness is listed as Toxic Shock. Jim Henson died as a result of Septic Shock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.210.141 ( talk) 23:54, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi 98.224.210.141. According to the supporting reference cited in the Jim Henson article ( http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/29/science/the-doctor-s-world-henson-death-shows-danger-of-pneumonia.html), "Dr. David Gelmont, who headed the intensive care team that treated Mr. Henson at New York Hospital, believes he died from toxic shock syndrome produced by the streptococcal bacteria." This is also the cause of death listed in Sherris Medical Microbiology- An introduction to infectious disease ( http://books.google.co.th/books?ei=L8MBU9-qJ4OQrQfC44HYAg&id=mgmataMQjMwC&dq=sherris+medical+microbiology+jim+henson&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=jim+henson). Where did you read that he died from septic shock? Lialono ( talk) 08:15, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Where did I read that Jim Henson died from septic shock? It's all over the Internet - and in the newspapers, at the time of his death, including the New York Times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.18.173 ( talk) 21:53, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi 173.167.18.173. I gather there was quite a lot of misinformation at the time of his death, the New York Times initially attributing his death to pneumonia ( http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/17/obituaries/jim-henson-puppeteer-dies-the-muppets-creator-was-53.html). The two supporting references attributing his death to toxic shock syndrome seem reliable, and if you do a quick google search for "Jim Henson" AND "toxic shock", it yields 129,000 results. Lialono ( talk) 06:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
If muppetcentral.com says the cause of death was Septic Shock, then the cause of death was Septic Shock. http://www.muppetcentral.com/forum/threads/may-16-2011-saying-goodbye-to-jim-henson-21-years-later.47663/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.18.173 ( talk) 03:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi again 173.167.18.173. The link you provided was to a muppet fan forum post by new member Danny Hooley. Can I suggest you consult WP:MEDRS for information on what Wikipedia does and doesn't consider reliable sources? Thanks. Lialono ( talk) 05:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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This is false, Jim Henson did not die of a heart attack, he died of toxic shock due to a massive bacterial infection from pneumonia.
Jim henson died of a massive heart attack at a fairly young age of just 53. Everyone was shaken family and all of his fans. — Preceding
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Hi, I noticed the following statement under "Tributes" lacked a WP:RS and google was not forthcoming in providing one. Does anyone have a source for this? If a source is found perhaps this picture should be added to illustrate?
In 2006, Maryland introduced 50 statues of their school mascot, Testudo the Terrapin, with various designs chosen by different sponsoring groups. Among them was Kertle, a statue by Washington, DC artist Elizabeth Baldwin, designed to look like Kermit the Frog.
[ Also, this was originally added in 2006 with the statue called "Kermudo." Without a source, how do we know if it is called Kermudo or Kertle?] 24.217.247.41 ( talk) 04:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
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References
I saw this listed at
Third Opinion. I'm not giving this as an "official" third opinion because I'm sure that I've encountered Nikkimaria somewhere around the wiki in the past since I recognize her name. I don't remember anything about her that would cause me to be prejudiced for her or against her, but I don't feel comfortable saying I've never encountered her before. I've left it listed at 3O in case some other editor wants to join in, but they'll have to decide whether it still qualifies for a 3O since there are now more than three editors involved. So here's my opinion: I think Nikkimaria is correctly interpreting the infobox documentation and that |death_cause=
is only for those instances when the cause of death is significant to the person's notability. The fact that Henson died of the flu and that his death brought awareness and acceptance to the need for vaccination (and I'm taking ContentEditman's word for that; if there's conflict over it, it will need to be sourced) isn't irrelevant to his notability but neither is it particularly significant. And significance is the test in this case. But to be excruciatingly precise, template documentation does not have the force of policy and there is no policy that says that it must be followed, see the lede at
WP:TDOC (which, let me note, is also not a policy). So, there is no policy which says that template documentation is binding on how the template may be used. That then drops us back to general principles. The
consensus policy says that a person seeking to add or remove material from the encyclopedia has the burden to obtain consensus for that action if it is contested. So this material should not be added until consensus is obtained to add it. No such consensus exists at this point in time, so it should not be added until that consensus is reached. Remember in doing so that "no consensus" is a perfectly acceptable result in Wikipedia, with the result in this case that the material would be excluded. And just to be clear: The "material" in this case is only the entry in the infobox; I express no opinion about and mention of his cause of death in the body of the article. Finally, do I feel that the information is of sufficient importance to include it in the infobox, template documentation not considered? No. I think that it exceeds the summary information needed in an infobox. Regards,
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This biographical piece is very US-centric. Jim Henson was very active in the European community in puppetry, but, unfortunately, we didn't get much information over here.
I'm asking someone who is more familiar with his overseas efforts to include some information regarding his accomplishments over there. I think it would help demonstrate his overlooked mature side. I understand, from what I heard, the productions over there were more risque'.
Why is there no article for Fraggle Rock?!?!?!?!?!?
There is no mention of his works on the TV show City kids.
"He won fame for his characters, particularly Kermit the Frog, Rowlf the Dog and Ernie."
That selection seems pretty arbitrary, but if you were for some reason going to pick just three, I don't know why Rowlf would be one of them. Edit: If the idea is to pick characters that Henson himself voiced/played, the text could make that clearer.
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I read somewhere that Henson was a Christian Scientist, which is why he let his infection progress to the terminal stage. If this is true, would it be relevant to the article? DS 17:58, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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Should the infobox for Jim Henson include a cause-of-death field? Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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As you can see stories on just the cause are written on the subject. I remember it as Flu shoots went up after that. I grew up poor so we never got flu shoots, except after Henson died. I still remember that as I and many other kids got them due to his cause of death. His cause of death is not only a major significance for the Henson's notability but even to this day its even still brought up in pop culture. Family Guy is one I know off the top of my head. Search Youtube for "Family Guy - Wrong Sounding Muppets" for example as you-tube link is not allowed. ContentEditman ( talk) 20:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The template documentation provides guidance for when this parameter should be used: when it is significant to the subject's notability. There is no indication that is the case here: he was already notable for unrelated reasons prior to his death, and had he not been an otherwise notable person it is unlikely that this death would have made him notable. The bar for inclusion has not been met. Additionally consensus for inclusion has not been achieved, and the existing talk discussion shows a rough consensus for exclusion.
The template documentation is unclear in its wording, but clear in the examples given. James Dean was obviously as notable before his death as Henson was; his death was notable, but not the primary reason for his notability. This disagreement could easily be resolved by rewording guidance at the infobox template. I doubt that needs discussion, but I’ll give opportunity for others to tell me I’m wrong before changing it. — HTGS ( talk) 01:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Cause of death. Should be clearly defined and sourced, and should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability, e.g. James Dean, John Lennon. It should not be filled in for unremarkable deaths such as those from old age or routine illness, e.g. Bruce Forsyth, Eduard Khil.
Cause of death. Should be clearly defined and sourced, and should only be included when the cause of death was itself
notableremarkable (e.g. James Dean, John Lennon). It should not be filled in for unremarkable deaths such as those from old age or routine illness (e.g. Bruce Forsyth, Eduard Khil).
summarizes key features of the page's subject.I would agree that some "rewording guidance at the infobox template" would be appropriate for clarity. The cause of death appears to be notable and not because of "old age or routine illness". I have the opinion that a cause of death can be both encyclopedic and a natural answer to the next question when someone relays that a person has passed away which is "what was the cause of death?" If any editor here has relayed to another person that someone has died I would find it strange if they did not receive some exclamation (really, what, wow) and ---- "how did they die?"
Wiki article shows birth in 1954, yet career from 1955. Error in dat of birth seems probable. I SUSPECT born 1944, not 1954. Can someone check this ? 104.160.57.77 ( talk) 01:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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I've heard (from several sources) that the muppets performed during the funeral (or was it the memorial service, if that's different in this case). I can't seem to find a decent first-hand account (other than the director's commentary for the movie Love Actually, which I've since returned to the video store). So if someone knows anything concrete about that, it would make a nice addition to the "died" paragraph. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 02:56, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The Muppet Show DVD that contains the Harry Belafonte episode also contains Bryan Henson's commentary about his dad's funeral, and I THINK I remember some footage of Mr. Belafonte performing at the funeral/memorial service. I believe this performance contained the "special" muppets that appeared in one number with Belafonte on the Muppet Show and never appeared again until the funeral.
Yes, Kermit the Frog and Big Bird did in fact preform at Jim Henson's Funeral. Kermit and Big Bird sang the song "It's Not That Easy Being Green."
The article mentions Yoda, but I thought that Jabba the Hutt was also partly a muppet?
Never heard of her (my Sesame Street years were probably 1980-1985 or so). Was this post-Henson? If so, it probably doesn't belong in the article, though it's definitely interesting. Jdavidb 20:48, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Was The Electric Company a Henson production? Was Julia Grownup a character he (and or his company) were responsible for creating? The Electric Company article doesn't mention Henson, although I found references online that say that Muppets "occasionally" visited the show. Jdavidb 15:38, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Electric Company was done during the time Henson worked on Sesame Street, and it was done by Children's Television Workshop, but I don't think Henson had anything to do with it. Certainly the Muppets as such were not involved. And while I was a pretty regular viewer, I don't even remember seeing them as guests. Anyway, Julia Grownup was definitely not a Muppet, but was played by Judy Graubart.
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I was actually at the memorial service at the cathedral of St. John the Divine in Manhattan.
There was a musical performance by the core group of Muppet performers. A handful of "Jim's favorite songs" were performed by Frank Oz, Jerry Nelson, Dave Goelz,Steve Whitmire (wearing a Kermit green suit, as he was to be the future voice of Kermit) Kevin Clash and Richard Hunt. Songs included, Coddleston Pie, You Are my Sunshine, Lydia the Tattoed Lady and more. The performance culminated with the song If Just One Person Believes in You. This song was begun by Richard Hunt working the Muppet Scooter. As each verse progressed each puppeteer reached behind and revealed their Muppet to join in and as the song drew to it's final verses all the Muppet performers holding Muppets they made famous joined the core group onstage and finished the song to a tearful standing ovation.
Big Bird , earlier in the memorial service, sang, It's Not Easy Being Green alone, not with Kermit as mentioned on the site. He was wearing a Kermit green bow tie and at the songs conclusion, obviously broken up, he gazed upwards and said, "Thank you Kermit."
Hope this info adds to the page regarding Jim Henson.
Chris
There is footage of the memorial service in a PBS documentary on Jim Henson, but I don't think the services were actually televised... Can anyone confirm or deny this? whysanitynet 21:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not believe that Jim had anything to do with the production on any Star Wars films: Neither Jim Henson nor the Jim Henson Creature Shop appear anywhere in the Star Wars credits, and Star Wars doesn't appear on the IMDB listing for either Jim Henson or the Jim Henson Creature Shop. Both Lucas and Henson have produced mostly at Elstree Studios, and they share many collaborators in common, including of course Frank Oz, but except for "Labyrinth", I don't think they worked together, and I don't think Henson was any part of the creation of Yoda or the Star Wars creatures. I am removing the picture and the reference. Please feel free to reinstate it if you can point to a reliable source. BarkingDoc]]
There is no mention of his family, I understand he had a daughter, Lisa Henson, who also has made a name for herself; I imagine he also married and had other children. If someone can find out more about that, it would be a great addition to Wikipedia.
Hello! I noticed the article is rather short (i.e. possibly not comprehensive) and desperately lacks references. Also, the Kermit sculpture image has no copyright information and the three fair use images use the old {{ fairuse}} tags when they should use more specific ones, and do not provide rationale.
I'm nominating the article for a major featured article review and I hope it would be considerably improved very soon. If not, it would very likely be removed from the list of featured articles. Todor → Bozhinov 20:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if Richard Curtis should really be allotted a block quote about Henson's funeral, especially since at least two details in his description of the event are verifiably false, both by Jim Hill's recounting and the NYT article on the funeral. What is his block quote doing that an encyclopedic summary couldn't do? - Hobbesy3 13:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Was Henson a Scientologist?
This statement has appeared in some articles, but I see no supporting references. 69.228.222.44 ( talk) 06:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
This little question has been bothering me for some time - Was Jim Henson a Christian? As he seperated from the Christian Scientist church (which is considered a cult), it seems to me he could very well have become a Protestant or Catholic. There are a few "Christian" themes in the show, and it just feels to me he might have been a Christian. I have not found that answer anywhere, so if anyone knows, please answer. Thanks!
You know, it doesn't matter, I suppose. Neither does where he was born, really. However, it's an interesting piece of information to include in the article. It's a biographical article, and his religion and how it influenced his work is biographical information. I'm interested in learning more about this now, too. No real reason, just that I am now curious.-- Raulpascal 21:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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Additionally, Henson wanted the muppet characters to "speak" more creatively that previous puppets had which seemed to have random mouth movements; he (used and) directed his muppeteers to use precision mouth movements to match the dialogue. I heard this in a documentary about the Muppets years ago but I'm not sure how to add a "citation needed" if that what's needed-- Dcrasno ( talk) 22:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I've known since I was a child who Jim Henson is, but I did not know any details of his life or accomplishments. He has always simply been "The Muppet creator", to me. However, in reading this article, I was not only educated, I was touched. This article is informative and wonderfully well written. Both balanced and broad, the authors of this article have honored Jim Henson and, for that, should all be proud.
With that said, the article has some areas in need of improvement. There were several minor issues with the article that I corrected myself. I recommend looking through the article history to see these changes for future knowledge. I've placed this article on hold for no more than seven days so that these changes can be made. I will continue to help and, I'm sure, the article will be a GA by this time next week. LaraLove T/ C 05:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The easiest way to write a lead is to write a concise summary of each section of the article in the order they appear in the article. See WP:LEAD for further details. But, basically, you just want to write a couple of sentences regarding the most important and notable information from each section, and break this information down into 2-4 paragraphs. For this article, probably 4. Let me know if you need help. LaraLove T/ C 05:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Everything looks good now. Congratulations, and good work. Lara Love 19:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
The introduction is rather long. Guest. 3:45AM 13 April 2008 —Preceding
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Should it be mentioned that Jim Henson was against adding major female puppets to Sesame Street and other shows? Should it also be mentioned that he disliked the falsetto voices men did when playing female puppets and that he was against women controlling puppets because he thought it was unladylike? I'm not starting rumors, the info came from this book ( http://www.amazon.com/Saturday-Morning-Censors-Television-Console-ing/dp/0822322404/) of course, it may not all be true. :-) OughtToShip ( talk) 00:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
If he was against it, Fran Brill wouldn't be performing Prairie Dawn and Zoe Monster. Angie Y. ( talk) 16:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
He may still have been against it, but there were other people involved in Sesame Street besides him. I think more research should be done before a conclusion is reached. -- Javawizard ( talk) 05:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
If I had the power to pull a soul back to Earth and make that person flesh again, I'd pull Jim back to Earth. He's one of the most talented men in the World, and I cry knowing I am touched by his amazing work. Angie Y. ( talk) 16:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the peacock template to the top of the page due to the first sentence, which essentially attempts to state that he was the greatest puppeteer in american television history, or whatever. He did a lot of great things with puppets, but that is quite obviously peacock terms. Even though it cites a source for the information, I still think that it is peacock terms. Just because some random website (not to diminish howstuffworks.com, which I've used numerous times) says that something is the most awesome, bestest [ sic] thing in the world or in the americas doesn't mean that it really is. -- Javawizard ( talk) 05:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Happened on this article, which is a world away from the one that was delisted as a Featured Article in July 2006. Anyone who's knowledgeable about the mechanics want to scrub this up and renominate it? Bongo matic 13:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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what's up with his eye? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.63.11.185 ( talk) 01:24, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be a good idea, to have a section with personal quotes of Jim Henson. E.g. "When I was young, my ambition was to be one of the people who made a difference in this world. My hope still is to leave the world a little bit better for my having been here. It's a wonderful life and I love it." (reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRO-ZOq1Ac). And "We should love people not for their similarities, but for their differences." (reference: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/remembering-my-dad-jim-henson.html). 79.224.83.49 ( talk) 19:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
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The side panel lists only Henson's high school under "Education", but then the article itself mentions that he graduated with a B.S. from the University of Maryland, where he quite notably gained his interest in puppetry and began creating shows. Shouldn't his undergraduate education be mentioned in the sidebar? 98.204.174.209 ( talk) 05:37, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I watched the Elmo documentary with Kevin Clash, and wanted to know if Jim Henson ever patented what was referred to as "the Henson stitch." It was a method of hiding muppet stitching by putting the stitch on the nose and throat. No luck finding sources for it yet.
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Illness is listed as Toxic Shock. Jim Henson died as a result of Septic Shock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.210.141 ( talk) 23:54, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi 98.224.210.141. According to the supporting reference cited in the Jim Henson article ( http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/29/science/the-doctor-s-world-henson-death-shows-danger-of-pneumonia.html), "Dr. David Gelmont, who headed the intensive care team that treated Mr. Henson at New York Hospital, believes he died from toxic shock syndrome produced by the streptococcal bacteria." This is also the cause of death listed in Sherris Medical Microbiology- An introduction to infectious disease ( http://books.google.co.th/books?ei=L8MBU9-qJ4OQrQfC44HYAg&id=mgmataMQjMwC&dq=sherris+medical+microbiology+jim+henson&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=jim+henson). Where did you read that he died from septic shock? Lialono ( talk) 08:15, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Where did I read that Jim Henson died from septic shock? It's all over the Internet - and in the newspapers, at the time of his death, including the New York Times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.18.173 ( talk) 21:53, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi 173.167.18.173. I gather there was quite a lot of misinformation at the time of his death, the New York Times initially attributing his death to pneumonia ( http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/17/obituaries/jim-henson-puppeteer-dies-the-muppets-creator-was-53.html). The two supporting references attributing his death to toxic shock syndrome seem reliable, and if you do a quick google search for "Jim Henson" AND "toxic shock", it yields 129,000 results. Lialono ( talk) 06:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
If muppetcentral.com says the cause of death was Septic Shock, then the cause of death was Septic Shock. http://www.muppetcentral.com/forum/threads/may-16-2011-saying-goodbye-to-jim-henson-21-years-later.47663/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.18.173 ( talk) 03:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi again 173.167.18.173. The link you provided was to a muppet fan forum post by new member Danny Hooley. Can I suggest you consult WP:MEDRS for information on what Wikipedia does and doesn't consider reliable sources? Thanks. Lialono ( talk) 05:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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This is false, Jim Henson did not die of a heart attack, he died of toxic shock due to a massive bacterial infection from pneumonia.
Jim henson died of a massive heart attack at a fairly young age of just 53. Everyone was shaken family and all of his fans. — Preceding
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Hi, I noticed the following statement under "Tributes" lacked a WP:RS and google was not forthcoming in providing one. Does anyone have a source for this? If a source is found perhaps this picture should be added to illustrate?
In 2006, Maryland introduced 50 statues of their school mascot, Testudo the Terrapin, with various designs chosen by different sponsoring groups. Among them was Kertle, a statue by Washington, DC artist Elizabeth Baldwin, designed to look like Kermit the Frog.
[ Also, this was originally added in 2006 with the statue called "Kermudo." Without a source, how do we know if it is called Kermudo or Kertle?] 24.217.247.41 ( talk) 04:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
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I saw this listed at
Third Opinion. I'm not giving this as an "official" third opinion because I'm sure that I've encountered Nikkimaria somewhere around the wiki in the past since I recognize her name. I don't remember anything about her that would cause me to be prejudiced for her or against her, but I don't feel comfortable saying I've never encountered her before. I've left it listed at 3O in case some other editor wants to join in, but they'll have to decide whether it still qualifies for a 3O since there are now more than three editors involved. So here's my opinion: I think Nikkimaria is correctly interpreting the infobox documentation and that |death_cause=
is only for those instances when the cause of death is significant to the person's notability. The fact that Henson died of the flu and that his death brought awareness and acceptance to the need for vaccination (and I'm taking ContentEditman's word for that; if there's conflict over it, it will need to be sourced) isn't irrelevant to his notability but neither is it particularly significant. And significance is the test in this case. But to be excruciatingly precise, template documentation does not have the force of policy and there is no policy that says that it must be followed, see the lede at
WP:TDOC (which, let me note, is also not a policy). So, there is no policy which says that template documentation is binding on how the template may be used. That then drops us back to general principles. The
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This biographical piece is very US-centric. Jim Henson was very active in the European community in puppetry, but, unfortunately, we didn't get much information over here.
I'm asking someone who is more familiar with his overseas efforts to include some information regarding his accomplishments over there. I think it would help demonstrate his overlooked mature side. I understand, from what I heard, the productions over there were more risque'.
Why is there no article for Fraggle Rock?!?!?!?!?!?
There is no mention of his works on the TV show City kids.
"He won fame for his characters, particularly Kermit the Frog, Rowlf the Dog and Ernie."
That selection seems pretty arbitrary, but if you were for some reason going to pick just three, I don't know why Rowlf would be one of them. Edit: If the idea is to pick characters that Henson himself voiced/played, the text could make that clearer.
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I read somewhere that Henson was a Christian Scientist, which is why he let his infection progress to the terminal stage. If this is true, would it be relevant to the article? DS 17:58, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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Should the infobox for Jim Henson include a cause-of-death field? Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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As you can see stories on just the cause are written on the subject. I remember it as Flu shoots went up after that. I grew up poor so we never got flu shoots, except after Henson died. I still remember that as I and many other kids got them due to his cause of death. His cause of death is not only a major significance for the Henson's notability but even to this day its even still brought up in pop culture. Family Guy is one I know off the top of my head. Search Youtube for "Family Guy - Wrong Sounding Muppets" for example as you-tube link is not allowed. ContentEditman ( talk) 20:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The template documentation provides guidance for when this parameter should be used: when it is significant to the subject's notability. There is no indication that is the case here: he was already notable for unrelated reasons prior to his death, and had he not been an otherwise notable person it is unlikely that this death would have made him notable. The bar for inclusion has not been met. Additionally consensus for inclusion has not been achieved, and the existing talk discussion shows a rough consensus for exclusion.
The template documentation is unclear in its wording, but clear in the examples given. James Dean was obviously as notable before his death as Henson was; his death was notable, but not the primary reason for his notability. This disagreement could easily be resolved by rewording guidance at the infobox template. I doubt that needs discussion, but I’ll give opportunity for others to tell me I’m wrong before changing it. — HTGS ( talk) 01:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Cause of death. Should be clearly defined and sourced, and should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability, e.g. James Dean, John Lennon. It should not be filled in for unremarkable deaths such as those from old age or routine illness, e.g. Bruce Forsyth, Eduard Khil.
Cause of death. Should be clearly defined and sourced, and should only be included when the cause of death was itself
notableremarkable (e.g. James Dean, John Lennon). It should not be filled in for unremarkable deaths such as those from old age or routine illness (e.g. Bruce Forsyth, Eduard Khil).
summarizes key features of the page's subject.I would agree that some "rewording guidance at the infobox template" would be appropriate for clarity. The cause of death appears to be notable and not because of "old age or routine illness". I have the opinion that a cause of death can be both encyclopedic and a natural answer to the next question when someone relays that a person has passed away which is "what was the cause of death?" If any editor here has relayed to another person that someone has died I would find it strange if they did not receive some exclamation (really, what, wow) and ---- "how did they die?"
Wiki article shows birth in 1954, yet career from 1955. Error in dat of birth seems probable. I SUSPECT born 1944, not 1954. Can someone check this ? 104.160.57.77 ( talk) 01:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)