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The title of this entry is, "Jim Crow Laws", but it contains no examples of the actual state and local laws. Grossly incomplete. WikiJoe24 ( talk) 02:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Why an image about a South African placard of the era of apartheid is used when linking this article in another article? You want to make South Africans look bad by a thing that happened in the USA?
-- Breizhcatalonia1993 ( talk) 22:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Under the "Etymology" section the earliest mention should be updated according the following pertinent information:
"The first reference to a “Jim Crow car” that I could find in a newspaper, aided by the 21st-century power of digitized databases? The Salem Gazette, Oct. 12, 1838, less than six weeks after the new Eastern Rail Road opened for business on thirteen-and-a-half miles of freshly-laid track from East Boston to Salem, Mass." https://time.com/5527029/jim-crow-plessy-history/ Mitzip ( talk) 16:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
There is currently a "questia.com" link for the Pamela Grundy citation to "Pamela Grundy, Learning to win: Sports, education, and social change in twentieth-century North Carolina". An actual working link is in fact available.
Most of the time, I fix issues like this on my own, but I think doing this may actually be counter-productive because it's really just papering over/covering up the problem, and as well, I'm not sure what the actual preferred link to use is. Anyway, the current link is for "questia.com" (which seems to be an actually dead website). There is a working Wayback archive link, but the only info that seems to be available there is the title of the book. So everybody who looks at this link will waste a minimum of two or three minutes unless they're persistent enough to spend more time.
Okay, they can go to worldcat (my preferred "first choice" since it purports to show "open access" sources, even though its accuracy on this is limited), enter the title of the book (or a portion thereof) which will provide them a link to archive.org. You could also do a search at "openlibrary.org", which will require you to establish a login (at no charge), which on entering the title of the book, will take you to essentially the same archive.org interface. (In this instance, archive.org and openlibrary.org are equally effective, but that's not necessarily the case).
If you went to access the archive.org link, you have to click on the "borrow" button to go directly to the indicated page number of 297. Alternatively, you can use the text search on the left panel, assuming you know what text you're looking for. The surrounding text (as plaintext) actually displays in the left panel, though the actual page may show up in the main panel (depending on how you accessed it ... you get the most restricted access if you try to go directly to the specified page by including the page number in the link, assuming you're already logged in). OTOH, if you're not logged in, you can still do a search (not sure what text to search for? the page number may be all that you need to search on).
This direct link to page 297 demonstrates how that works.
The actual preferred link to include in the citation is not obvious. (Is it a mistake for me to be giving away these secrets?) Fabrickator ( talk) 23:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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The title of this entry is, "Jim Crow Laws", but it contains no examples of the actual state and local laws. Grossly incomplete. WikiJoe24 ( talk) 02:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Why an image about a South African placard of the era of apartheid is used when linking this article in another article? You want to make South Africans look bad by a thing that happened in the USA?
-- Breizhcatalonia1993 ( talk) 22:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Under the "Etymology" section the earliest mention should be updated according the following pertinent information:
"The first reference to a “Jim Crow car” that I could find in a newspaper, aided by the 21st-century power of digitized databases? The Salem Gazette, Oct. 12, 1838, less than six weeks after the new Eastern Rail Road opened for business on thirteen-and-a-half miles of freshly-laid track from East Boston to Salem, Mass." https://time.com/5527029/jim-crow-plessy-history/ Mitzip ( talk) 16:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
There is currently a "questia.com" link for the Pamela Grundy citation to "Pamela Grundy, Learning to win: Sports, education, and social change in twentieth-century North Carolina". An actual working link is in fact available.
Most of the time, I fix issues like this on my own, but I think doing this may actually be counter-productive because it's really just papering over/covering up the problem, and as well, I'm not sure what the actual preferred link to use is. Anyway, the current link is for "questia.com" (which seems to be an actually dead website). There is a working Wayback archive link, but the only info that seems to be available there is the title of the book. So everybody who looks at this link will waste a minimum of two or three minutes unless they're persistent enough to spend more time.
Okay, they can go to worldcat (my preferred "first choice" since it purports to show "open access" sources, even though its accuracy on this is limited), enter the title of the book (or a portion thereof) which will provide them a link to archive.org. You could also do a search at "openlibrary.org", which will require you to establish a login (at no charge), which on entering the title of the book, will take you to essentially the same archive.org interface. (In this instance, archive.org and openlibrary.org are equally effective, but that's not necessarily the case).
If you went to access the archive.org link, you have to click on the "borrow" button to go directly to the indicated page number of 297. Alternatively, you can use the text search on the left panel, assuming you know what text you're looking for. The surrounding text (as plaintext) actually displays in the left panel, though the actual page may show up in the main panel (depending on how you accessed it ... you get the most restricted access if you try to go directly to the specified page by including the page number in the link, assuming you're already logged in). OTOH, if you're not logged in, you can still do a search (not sure what text to search for? the page number may be all that you need to search on).
This direct link to page 297 demonstrates how that works.
The actual preferred link to include in the citation is not obvious. (Is it a mistake for me to be giving away these secrets?) Fabrickator ( talk) 23:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)