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This has led to the suggestion that the CBC and World Wrestling Entertainment will collaborate to stage a no holds barred, free for all cage fight between Ghomeshi, Stromboulopoulous, Ben Mulroney and Alexandre Trudeau.
While this is funny as hell, could you please quote a specific source for it before adding it to the article? Bearcat 17:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
The section is clearly valid as it is how this DJ gained international exposure, i imagine 90 percent of the people who navigate to this page will be doing so because of the Thorton story, so it would be an error not to mention it. This section was deleted by someone who did not have a wiki account, who listed it as "news, not relevant" which seems absurd to me,how can the main reason most readers will know about this person not be relevant? I think there would be a better title for the section, but the section it self is a valid entry. Perhaps we could call it "international exposure" or something. Any thoughts? —Preceding [User:Norwhales's tusk|Norwhales's tusk] comment added by Norwhales's tusk ( talk • contribs) 03:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Why do people keep deleting all the information on Thorton without a discussion? And if current events are not supposed to be added to wiki articles why does the ship captured by somlean pirates and its captain have their own page? (see Richard Phillips)? Neither this ship or Phillips were on wiki before the incident. Signed, Norwhales's Tusk.
I have filed a request for protection following recurring vandalism on the page regarding the interview with Billy Bob. Inochimizu ( talk) 19:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you - how do you do that - for the record? —Preceding
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You visit Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection and write it there. For now they have blocked the user who did the vandalizing, but if it occurs again then further petition should be made. Inochimizu ( talk) 19:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for teaching me something new. You are the sh*t man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suivoh ( talk • contribs) 20:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC) That guy is a d bag how could he be such a jerk treating Jian Ghomeshi like that Clf95 ( talk) 01:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be some mention that the Q show oftens enters into the realm of music as cultural diplomacy. For example, the show might discuss the impact of punk music in Czechoslovakia and its affect on the Velvet Revolution that overthrew the government there. This type of CBC programming is more about propaganda and promoting certain performers who are soft power agents. For example, the University of Southern California's Public Diplomacy Center tell of how jazz music and certain musicians were used by the US government during the Cold War to promote dissent in the Soviert Union and elsewhere. See http://uscpublicdiplomacy.com/index.php/library/reviews_detail/satchmo_blows_up_the_world_jazz_ambassadors_play_the_cold_war/ I don't have any references on radio programming as cultural diplomacy or soft power propaganda but if anyone does, I would like to see them included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.163.55 ( talk) 05:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
he surely is not 107 years pld. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siato ( talk • contribs) 09:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
At various points in the article, the singer/songwriter is referred to as LIGHTS or Lights. Fix this? TorontonianOnlines ( talk) 23:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
On his show today, interviewing Cory Doctorow, Ghomeshi said that when he looks himself up on Wikipedia he is amazed by the inaccuracies. Doctorow told him to edit the inaccuracies himself, to which Ghomeshi replied "you can do that?" Doctorow compared it to eating bacon for breakfast. -- Mathew5000 17:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
He first came to large (not national, I guess) attention as a teenager with a hit single by what I understand was his one-man band, "Tall New Buildings". Someone who knows more should correct/elaborate.
I've noticed that famous peoples' friends' are understandably reticent about writing about them on the web. They could provide lots of interesting and correct information, but do not. I know about Jian via my ex-wife, who knew/knows him very, very well, and has since before the Moxy era. But she, and people like her, aren't likely to add any information to WikiPedia and the like because it's hard to know what is properly public and what is private. It's easier to avoid the issue entirely, even if you're a webhead who likes completeness, like me. I have a friend I've known many years who is a moderately big Hollywood producer. I always am tempted to correct and add to her IMDB entry, but refrain.
I wonder what the reasoning is that people themselves are reluctant to edit their own WikiPedia entries and the like? A sense of propriety, perhaps, feeling that paying much attention to such things is narcissistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.103.107.190 ( talk) 21:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I wonder what the reasoning is that people themselves are reluctant to edit their own WikiPedia entries and the like? A sense of propriety, perhaps, feeling that paying much attention to such things is narcissistic.
And yet he's self-absorbed enough to do self-indulgent radio stories about his own Wikipedia page. Interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.18.193.6 ( talk • contribs)
some idiot keeps deleting the section on thornton, and uses it to take prejudicial stabs at Canadians. how do you delete that person's account, or remove their ability to edit. If someone took a prejudicial stab towards another nationality, it certainly woudn't stand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suivoh ( talk • contribs) 19:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This still has obvious copyright-infringing text from CBC after four years notice. See here, and here. I'll re-work it to remove these violations. __ E L A Q U E A T E 22:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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It was reported today that Jian is taking a break from CBC as he is having personal problems since the passing of his father. [1]This article makes no mention of his fathers passing, would should be mentioned if it has had a big impact of his well being. For such an accomplished Canadian I am surprised there is not more to this article. 31jetjet ( talk) 18:20, 25 October 2014 (UTC) 31jetjet
This biographical entry is taken directly from publicity material prepared by the CBC to promote Ghomeshi. http://www.cbc.ca/q/aboutus.html As such it stands in conflict of interest as defined by Wikipedia's guidelines. It also repeats entries:
- “He is also a writer whose editorials and opinion pieces have been published in The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Globe and Mail, The Toronto Star, and The International Herald Tribune.”
- “Ghomeshi’s opinion pieces have been published in the Sunday Washington Post, The National Post, The International Herald Tribune.”
and provides no citations to any of these so-called "opinion/editorial" pieces that he wrote for The Guardian, The Washington Post or The International Herald Tribune. In the case of The Guardian, the "editorial" he is purported to have written turns out to be the transcript of an interview he did on air with Leonard Cohen.
Allan Sorensen ( talk) 17:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)Allan Sorensen
That is considered a reliable source. If it was written by him or someone he knows it would be a much better artcile. Think about it. 31jetjet ( talk) 18:22, 25 October 2014 (UTC)31jetjet
It is now reported that Jian is suing CBC for $50 million for breach of confidence and bad faith. [1] 31jetjet ( talk) 20:19, 26 October 2014 (UTC) 31jetjet
The page currently says he sued on October 26, a Sunday, when the courts are closed. The source sited says he has instructed his lawyers to file on October 27th, a Monday, when the courts open.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.71.127 ( talk)
A petition requesting an apology from CBC for violating Jian Ghomeshi's Charter right to "freedom of association" and requesting that he get his job back has been created: https://www.change.org/p/canadian-broadcasting-corporation-cbc-apologize-to-jian-ghomeshi-for-violating-his-charter-rights-and-re-instate-him-in-his-job-as-host-of-q As I understand it, there is another petition asking for his job back as well, but without mention of the charter right violation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.53.47.42 ( talk) 04:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Please add a reference to Jian's own words [1] on the matter, perhaps with a note that he claims that "CBC execs confirmed that the information provided showed that there was consent." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.235.36 ( talk) 06:59, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hours after being fired, Ghomeshi posted a lengthy statement on Facebook. [1] OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 21:54, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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This section all comes from an article in the Toronto Star, a Reliable source: The Toronto Star had "detailed interviews" with a different group of "three women, who said they experienced violence from Ghomeshi without consent"; the women were initially "his fans." [1]"In one woman’s case, she visited Ghomeshi at his Toronto home and alleges as soon as she walked into his house he suddenly struck her hard with his open hand, then continued to hit her and choked her. The woman alleges Ghomeshi repeatedly beat her about the head and choked her." [2]"Another woman said "...he attacked me. Choked me. Hit me like I didn’t know men hit women.” [3]" OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 19:36, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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keeping in mind that the primary source is anonymous postings from Facebook. The allegations are from direct interviews with investigative journalists published in an RS, not Facebook. __ E L A Q U E A T E 16:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, the back and forth on this has gotten to the point that the page protection has now been upped to "administrators only" for the time being. As per our policy in matters of dispute, the text has been frozen on the least contentious version — edits and other changes may certainly be proposed for discussion here, but must have a consensus established behind them before they can be added to the article.
I would remind everybody that any additions to the article must be consistent with WP:BLP, WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Bearcat ( talk) 21:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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In the sentence, "Actress Lucy Decoutere was the first accuser ...", I propose changing the word "accuser" to "woman" to maintain a neutral point of view. "Accuser" implies a POV that Ghomeshi is the victim in this scenario, and whatever each one of us thinks about the allegations, it's not neutral for us to say that here. Ivanvector ( talk) 20:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
I propose removing the Scotiabank Giller Prize paragraph from the October 2014 allegations and lawsuit section. Presumably he's done other prize-givings in the past, but they're not mentioned in the article so only mentioning it here is undue. It also helps keep the section strongly focused on the allegations and lawsuit. Stuartyeates ( talk) 19:28, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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I have closed this edit request, since it is being discussed below. -- kelapstick( bainuu) 21:17, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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I would like to cite the following source to support the sentence "Actress Lucy Decoutere was the first accuser to agree to the publication of her name in conjunction with the allegations."
This source contains a primary source, a CBC Radio interview with Lucy Decoutere in which she describes an encounter with Mr. Ghomeshi.
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I propose removing the external link to "Profile for Q CBC" as it is no longer his profile; it now redirects to the home page for the show. Not necessary to replace it with a link to the show's homepage since Q (radio show) is already wikilinked in the article.
Sorry, this seems like a really silly request to spend the admins' time on, but protection is protection. Ivanvector ( talk) 21:16, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/6077454 Reva Seth, a woman author and lawyer alleges JG assaulted her OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 21:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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Obviously, this citation is incorrect:
"Why I Can't Remain Silent About What Jian Did to Me". Huffington Post, October 20, 2013.
Cahpcc ( talk) 22:48, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi, could someone add this to the article?
Here's the source: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/30/jian_ghomeshi_issues_statement_on_allegations.html
-- Guat6 ( talk) 23:17, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
It seems odd that the article mentions that he "was born to" his father, without mentioning his mother who is readily identified as Azar (Sara) Ghomeshi (e.g., in his father's obituary http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=172715753 and JG's thesis paper http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=172715753).
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http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/10/30/carleton-university-looking-into-allegations-against-ex-cbc-host-jian-ghomeshi I think this info should be included in some way (I don't have any particular wording in mind): Carleton University is investigating abuse allegations made toward Ghomeshi though they "have no information at this time that any of our students have been victims." Ottawa Police also say they have received no complaints about him. Tchaliburton ( talk) 01:47, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
"[...] lawyer Reva Seth who went on the record with abuse allegations against Ghomeshi.[23] On October 30, Carleton University announced that it would investigate allegations made in April 2014 against Ghomeshi by an anonymous Twitter account. [1] As of October 30, 2014, Ghomeshi is not under police investigation relating to the allegations, however the CBC announced that they would hire a third party to conduct an investigation.[24] Ghomeshi's lawyer has said his client "does not engage in non-consensual role play or sex and any suggestion of the contrary is defamatory."[20] Toronto and Ottawa Police have encouraged victims to come forward. [2] [1]
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The National Post is reporting that he was accused of sexual violence via Twitter earlier this year. If this wasn't being reported by reputable media I would say it has no place in the article, but because it is being reported I think we should mention the report. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/30/jian-ghomeshi-was-accused-of-sexual-violence-in-twitter-account-named-after-his-teddy-bear-six-months-ago/ Tchaliburton ( talk) 13:48, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cbc-hiring-outside-investigator-to-probe-jian-ghomeshi-allegations/article21386358/ There are a few pieces of info worth including from this article:
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In this sentence near the end of the article: "A fifth woman gave an interview to CBC Radio's As It Happens on October 29, also alleging that Ghomeshi physically abused her without her consent on their very first date." Can we remove the word very? It could be construed as implying that physical abuse would've been more acceptable on a second date, which is needless to say, WP:EDITORIALIZING among other problems. I think the statement speaks for itself without the word. Grayfell ( talk) 00:25, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
There are now eight women who have come forwards with allegations of assault. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html 23.16.255.231 ( talk) 03:29, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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"In light of the disturbing allegations against former CBC radio host Jian Ghomeshi, Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair is encouraging victims of sexual abuse to come forward to police." http://o.canada.com/news/jian-ghomeshi-allegations-toronto-police-chief-encourages-victims-to-come-forward The National Post Published: October 30, 2014, 4:2
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Two parts:
This is a long and quite detailed investigative report on what exactly happened at the CBC. I don't have time to go through it right now, so posting here for other interested editors. Ivanvector ( talk) 18:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I spun this off as its own article ( Jian Ghomeshi alleged sexual abuse scandal) because I thought this section would get large and overshadow the main article. Tchaliburton ( talk) 17:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment.At the moment, all we have are allegations and giving those allegations prominence by writing a separate article on them - even if "alleged" is included in the title - appears to be more tabloidish and less encyclopaedic. Ca2james ( talk) 18:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Reports now (Oct 31) that two women have gone to police and an investigation has been launched: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/31/jian_ghomeshi_showed_cbc_video_of_bondage_beating_sources.html
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Please make a wikilink to the Reva Seth Wikipedia article where her name appears in this article...it's two thirds of a way down this paragraph:
The Toronto Star published the allegations of three women who said that they experienced violence from Ghomeshi without consent, as well as a former CBC colleague who alleged that Ghomeshi had sexually harassed her in the workplace. [1] A fifth woman gave an interview to CBC Radio's As It Happens on October 29, also alleging that Ghomeshi physically abused her without her consent on their first date. [2] By October 30, nine women had approached media outlets with abuse allegations against Ghomeshi. [3] Actress Lucy DeCoutere was the first woman to agree to the publication of her name in conjunction with the allegations, [4] followed by Huffington Post blogger and lawyer Reva Seth who went on the record with abuse allegations against Ghomeshi. [5] On October 30, Carleton University announced that it would investigate allegations made in April 2014 against Ghomeshi by an anonymous Twitter account. [6]
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help page).Why is the JG article categorized as a "Low importance radio article". He is a household name and has been very important to Canadian radio in the last half-decade. OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 03:00, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
The newly-created article about the Canadian blogger, lawyer, and author of two books, Reva Seth, uses a few sentences from the Jian Ghomeshi article. I acknowledge using this material on the talk page of Reva Seth and in my edit summary. To ensure openness regarding this sensitive BLP matter, I wanted to note what I used from the JG article (modified a bit):
Seth was one of nine women who went to the media in October 2014 to make allegations of abuse from former CBC radio host Jian Ghomeshi. Seth went on the record with abuse allegations against Ghomeshi. [1] As of October 30 [update], Ghomeshi is not under police investigation relating to the allegations, however the CBC announced that they would hire a third party to conduct an investigation. [2] Ghomeshi's lawyer has said his client "does not engage in non-consensual role play or sex and any suggestion of the contrary is defamatory." [3] OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 02:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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From the last paragraph, delete the words: "As of October 30, Ghomeshi is not under police investigation relating to the allegations, however"
The claim that he was not under police investigation on the 30th is a misleading half-truth if an investigation was opened the very next day, Oct 31. See
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See Talk:Amanda_Palmer#Jian_Ghomeshi_at_Toronto_book_tour_show_controversy for references. Factoring into the cancellation was that at least nine women have come forward accusing Jian of sexual abuse. — Lentower ( talk) 01:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
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This has led to the suggestion that the CBC and World Wrestling Entertainment will collaborate to stage a no holds barred, free for all cage fight between Ghomeshi, Stromboulopoulous, Ben Mulroney and Alexandre Trudeau.
While this is funny as hell, could you please quote a specific source for it before adding it to the article? Bearcat 17:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
The section is clearly valid as it is how this DJ gained international exposure, i imagine 90 percent of the people who navigate to this page will be doing so because of the Thorton story, so it would be an error not to mention it. This section was deleted by someone who did not have a wiki account, who listed it as "news, not relevant" which seems absurd to me,how can the main reason most readers will know about this person not be relevant? I think there would be a better title for the section, but the section it self is a valid entry. Perhaps we could call it "international exposure" or something. Any thoughts? —Preceding [User:Norwhales's tusk|Norwhales's tusk] comment added by Norwhales's tusk ( talk • contribs) 03:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Why do people keep deleting all the information on Thorton without a discussion? And if current events are not supposed to be added to wiki articles why does the ship captured by somlean pirates and its captain have their own page? (see Richard Phillips)? Neither this ship or Phillips were on wiki before the incident. Signed, Norwhales's Tusk.
I have filed a request for protection following recurring vandalism on the page regarding the interview with Billy Bob. Inochimizu ( talk) 19:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you - how do you do that - for the record? —Preceding
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You visit Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection and write it there. For now they have blocked the user who did the vandalizing, but if it occurs again then further petition should be made. Inochimizu ( talk) 19:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for teaching me something new. You are the sh*t man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suivoh ( talk • contribs) 20:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC) That guy is a d bag how could he be such a jerk treating Jian Ghomeshi like that Clf95 ( talk) 01:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be some mention that the Q show oftens enters into the realm of music as cultural diplomacy. For example, the show might discuss the impact of punk music in Czechoslovakia and its affect on the Velvet Revolution that overthrew the government there. This type of CBC programming is more about propaganda and promoting certain performers who are soft power agents. For example, the University of Southern California's Public Diplomacy Center tell of how jazz music and certain musicians were used by the US government during the Cold War to promote dissent in the Soviert Union and elsewhere. See http://uscpublicdiplomacy.com/index.php/library/reviews_detail/satchmo_blows_up_the_world_jazz_ambassadors_play_the_cold_war/ I don't have any references on radio programming as cultural diplomacy or soft power propaganda but if anyone does, I would like to see them included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.163.55 ( talk) 05:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
he surely is not 107 years pld. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siato ( talk • contribs) 09:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
At various points in the article, the singer/songwriter is referred to as LIGHTS or Lights. Fix this? TorontonianOnlines ( talk) 23:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
On his show today, interviewing Cory Doctorow, Ghomeshi said that when he looks himself up on Wikipedia he is amazed by the inaccuracies. Doctorow told him to edit the inaccuracies himself, to which Ghomeshi replied "you can do that?" Doctorow compared it to eating bacon for breakfast. -- Mathew5000 17:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
He first came to large (not national, I guess) attention as a teenager with a hit single by what I understand was his one-man band, "Tall New Buildings". Someone who knows more should correct/elaborate.
I've noticed that famous peoples' friends' are understandably reticent about writing about them on the web. They could provide lots of interesting and correct information, but do not. I know about Jian via my ex-wife, who knew/knows him very, very well, and has since before the Moxy era. But she, and people like her, aren't likely to add any information to WikiPedia and the like because it's hard to know what is properly public and what is private. It's easier to avoid the issue entirely, even if you're a webhead who likes completeness, like me. I have a friend I've known many years who is a moderately big Hollywood producer. I always am tempted to correct and add to her IMDB entry, but refrain.
I wonder what the reasoning is that people themselves are reluctant to edit their own WikiPedia entries and the like? A sense of propriety, perhaps, feeling that paying much attention to such things is narcissistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.103.107.190 ( talk) 21:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I wonder what the reasoning is that people themselves are reluctant to edit their own WikiPedia entries and the like? A sense of propriety, perhaps, feeling that paying much attention to such things is narcissistic.
And yet he's self-absorbed enough to do self-indulgent radio stories about his own Wikipedia page. Interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.18.193.6 ( talk • contribs)
some idiot keeps deleting the section on thornton, and uses it to take prejudicial stabs at Canadians. how do you delete that person's account, or remove their ability to edit. If someone took a prejudicial stab towards another nationality, it certainly woudn't stand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suivoh ( talk • contribs) 19:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This still has obvious copyright-infringing text from CBC after four years notice. See here, and here. I'll re-work it to remove these violations. __ E L A Q U E A T E 22:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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It was reported today that Jian is taking a break from CBC as he is having personal problems since the passing of his father. [1]This article makes no mention of his fathers passing, would should be mentioned if it has had a big impact of his well being. For such an accomplished Canadian I am surprised there is not more to this article. 31jetjet ( talk) 18:20, 25 October 2014 (UTC) 31jetjet
This biographical entry is taken directly from publicity material prepared by the CBC to promote Ghomeshi. http://www.cbc.ca/q/aboutus.html As such it stands in conflict of interest as defined by Wikipedia's guidelines. It also repeats entries:
- “He is also a writer whose editorials and opinion pieces have been published in The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Globe and Mail, The Toronto Star, and The International Herald Tribune.”
- “Ghomeshi’s opinion pieces have been published in the Sunday Washington Post, The National Post, The International Herald Tribune.”
and provides no citations to any of these so-called "opinion/editorial" pieces that he wrote for The Guardian, The Washington Post or The International Herald Tribune. In the case of The Guardian, the "editorial" he is purported to have written turns out to be the transcript of an interview he did on air with Leonard Cohen.
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That is considered a reliable source. If it was written by him or someone he knows it would be a much better artcile. Think about it. 31jetjet ( talk) 18:22, 25 October 2014 (UTC)31jetjet
It is now reported that Jian is suing CBC for $50 million for breach of confidence and bad faith. [1] 31jetjet ( talk) 20:19, 26 October 2014 (UTC) 31jetjet
The page currently says he sued on October 26, a Sunday, when the courts are closed. The source sited says he has instructed his lawyers to file on October 27th, a Monday, when the courts open.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.71.127 ( talk)
A petition requesting an apology from CBC for violating Jian Ghomeshi's Charter right to "freedom of association" and requesting that he get his job back has been created: https://www.change.org/p/canadian-broadcasting-corporation-cbc-apologize-to-jian-ghomeshi-for-violating-his-charter-rights-and-re-instate-him-in-his-job-as-host-of-q As I understand it, there is another petition asking for his job back as well, but without mention of the charter right violation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.53.47.42 ( talk) 04:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Please add a reference to Jian's own words [1] on the matter, perhaps with a note that he claims that "CBC execs confirmed that the information provided showed that there was consent." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.235.36 ( talk) 06:59, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hours after being fired, Ghomeshi posted a lengthy statement on Facebook. [1] OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 21:54, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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This section all comes from an article in the Toronto Star, a Reliable source: The Toronto Star had "detailed interviews" with a different group of "three women, who said they experienced violence from Ghomeshi without consent"; the women were initially "his fans." [1]"In one woman’s case, she visited Ghomeshi at his Toronto home and alleges as soon as she walked into his house he suddenly struck her hard with his open hand, then continued to hit her and choked her. The woman alleges Ghomeshi repeatedly beat her about the head and choked her." [2]"Another woman said "...he attacked me. Choked me. Hit me like I didn’t know men hit women.” [3]" OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 19:36, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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keeping in mind that the primary source is anonymous postings from Facebook. The allegations are from direct interviews with investigative journalists published in an RS, not Facebook. __ E L A Q U E A T E 16:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, the back and forth on this has gotten to the point that the page protection has now been upped to "administrators only" for the time being. As per our policy in matters of dispute, the text has been frozen on the least contentious version — edits and other changes may certainly be proposed for discussion here, but must have a consensus established behind them before they can be added to the article.
I would remind everybody that any additions to the article must be consistent with WP:BLP, WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Bearcat ( talk) 21:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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In the sentence, "Actress Lucy Decoutere was the first accuser ...", I propose changing the word "accuser" to "woman" to maintain a neutral point of view. "Accuser" implies a POV that Ghomeshi is the victim in this scenario, and whatever each one of us thinks about the allegations, it's not neutral for us to say that here. Ivanvector ( talk) 20:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
I propose removing the Scotiabank Giller Prize paragraph from the October 2014 allegations and lawsuit section. Presumably he's done other prize-givings in the past, but they're not mentioned in the article so only mentioning it here is undue. It also helps keep the section strongly focused on the allegations and lawsuit. Stuartyeates ( talk) 19:28, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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I have closed this edit request, since it is being discussed below. -- kelapstick( bainuu) 21:17, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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I would like to cite the following source to support the sentence "Actress Lucy Decoutere was the first accuser to agree to the publication of her name in conjunction with the allegations."
This source contains a primary source, a CBC Radio interview with Lucy Decoutere in which she describes an encounter with Mr. Ghomeshi.
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I propose removing the external link to "Profile for Q CBC" as it is no longer his profile; it now redirects to the home page for the show. Not necessary to replace it with a link to the show's homepage since Q (radio show) is already wikilinked in the article.
Sorry, this seems like a really silly request to spend the admins' time on, but protection is protection. Ivanvector ( talk) 21:16, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/6077454 Reva Seth, a woman author and lawyer alleges JG assaulted her OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 21:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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Obviously, this citation is incorrect:
"Why I Can't Remain Silent About What Jian Did to Me". Huffington Post, October 20, 2013.
Cahpcc ( talk) 22:48, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi, could someone add this to the article?
Here's the source: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/30/jian_ghomeshi_issues_statement_on_allegations.html
-- Guat6 ( talk) 23:17, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
It seems odd that the article mentions that he "was born to" his father, without mentioning his mother who is readily identified as Azar (Sara) Ghomeshi (e.g., in his father's obituary http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=172715753 and JG's thesis paper http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=172715753).
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http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/10/30/carleton-university-looking-into-allegations-against-ex-cbc-host-jian-ghomeshi I think this info should be included in some way (I don't have any particular wording in mind): Carleton University is investigating abuse allegations made toward Ghomeshi though they "have no information at this time that any of our students have been victims." Ottawa Police also say they have received no complaints about him. Tchaliburton ( talk) 01:47, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
"[...] lawyer Reva Seth who went on the record with abuse allegations against Ghomeshi.[23] On October 30, Carleton University announced that it would investigate allegations made in April 2014 against Ghomeshi by an anonymous Twitter account. [1] As of October 30, 2014, Ghomeshi is not under police investigation relating to the allegations, however the CBC announced that they would hire a third party to conduct an investigation.[24] Ghomeshi's lawyer has said his client "does not engage in non-consensual role play or sex and any suggestion of the contrary is defamatory."[20] Toronto and Ottawa Police have encouraged victims to come forward. [2] [1]
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The National Post is reporting that he was accused of sexual violence via Twitter earlier this year. If this wasn't being reported by reputable media I would say it has no place in the article, but because it is being reported I think we should mention the report. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/30/jian-ghomeshi-was-accused-of-sexual-violence-in-twitter-account-named-after-his-teddy-bear-six-months-ago/ Tchaliburton ( talk) 13:48, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/cbc-hiring-outside-investigator-to-probe-jian-ghomeshi-allegations/article21386358/ There are a few pieces of info worth including from this article:
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23:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)It's not just Navigator; from [1] [2] "Crisis communications firm Navigator and PR agency rock-it promotions both announced they had dropped Jian Ghomeshi as a client on Thursday afternoon." K7L ( talk) 02:40, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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In this sentence near the end of the article: "A fifth woman gave an interview to CBC Radio's As It Happens on October 29, also alleging that Ghomeshi physically abused her without her consent on their very first date." Can we remove the word very? It could be construed as implying that physical abuse would've been more acceptable on a second date, which is needless to say, WP:EDITORIALIZING among other problems. I think the statement speaks for itself without the word. Grayfell ( talk) 00:25, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
There are now eight women who have come forwards with allegations of assault. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html 23.16.255.231 ( talk) 03:29, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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"In light of the disturbing allegations against former CBC radio host Jian Ghomeshi, Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair is encouraging victims of sexual abuse to come forward to police." http://o.canada.com/news/jian-ghomeshi-allegations-toronto-police-chief-encourages-victims-to-come-forward The National Post Published: October 30, 2014, 4:2
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Two parts:
This is a long and quite detailed investigative report on what exactly happened at the CBC. I don't have time to go through it right now, so posting here for other interested editors. Ivanvector ( talk) 18:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I spun this off as its own article ( Jian Ghomeshi alleged sexual abuse scandal) because I thought this section would get large and overshadow the main article. Tchaliburton ( talk) 17:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment.At the moment, all we have are allegations and giving those allegations prominence by writing a separate article on them - even if "alleged" is included in the title - appears to be more tabloidish and less encyclopaedic. Ca2james ( talk) 18:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Reports now (Oct 31) that two women have gone to police and an investigation has been launched: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/31/jian_ghomeshi_showed_cbc_video_of_bondage_beating_sources.html
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Please make a wikilink to the Reva Seth Wikipedia article where her name appears in this article...it's two thirds of a way down this paragraph:
The Toronto Star published the allegations of three women who said that they experienced violence from Ghomeshi without consent, as well as a former CBC colleague who alleged that Ghomeshi had sexually harassed her in the workplace. [1] A fifth woman gave an interview to CBC Radio's As It Happens on October 29, also alleging that Ghomeshi physically abused her without her consent on their first date. [2] By October 30, nine women had approached media outlets with abuse allegations against Ghomeshi. [3] Actress Lucy DeCoutere was the first woman to agree to the publication of her name in conjunction with the allegations, [4] followed by Huffington Post blogger and lawyer Reva Seth who went on the record with abuse allegations against Ghomeshi. [5] On October 30, Carleton University announced that it would investigate allegations made in April 2014 against Ghomeshi by an anonymous Twitter account. [6]
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help page).Why is the JG article categorized as a "Low importance radio article". He is a household name and has been very important to Canadian radio in the last half-decade. OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 03:00, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
The newly-created article about the Canadian blogger, lawyer, and author of two books, Reva Seth, uses a few sentences from the Jian Ghomeshi article. I acknowledge using this material on the talk page of Reva Seth and in my edit summary. To ensure openness regarding this sensitive BLP matter, I wanted to note what I used from the JG article (modified a bit):
Seth was one of nine women who went to the media in October 2014 to make allegations of abuse from former CBC radio host Jian Ghomeshi. Seth went on the record with abuse allegations against Ghomeshi. [1] As of October 30 [update], Ghomeshi is not under police investigation relating to the allegations, however the CBC announced that they would hire a third party to conduct an investigation. [2] Ghomeshi's lawyer has said his client "does not engage in non-consensual role play or sex and any suggestion of the contrary is defamatory." [3] OnBeyondZebrax ( talk) 02:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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From the last paragraph, delete the words: "As of October 30, Ghomeshi is not under police investigation relating to the allegations, however"
The claim that he was not under police investigation on the 30th is a misleading half-truth if an investigation was opened the very next day, Oct 31. See
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto-police-investigating-jian-ghomeshi-allegations-1.2820337
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See Talk:Amanda_Palmer#Jian_Ghomeshi_at_Toronto_book_tour_show_controversy for references. Factoring into the cancellation was that at least nine women have come forward accusing Jian of sexual abuse. — Lentower ( talk) 01:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)