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History of the Jews in Madagascar → Jews in Madagascar – Per MOS:CONCISE and MOS:PRECISE, this article's undiscussed move should be reverted. "Jews in Madagascar" is more concise and also more clear that it doesn't refer to "the Jews" (who would be generally read as foreigners) in Madagascar, but also largely to indigenous Jewish conversion as well as indigenous Judaic syncretic mythologies and esoteric religions. A lot of the article's subject is also contemporary, and "history of" doesn't reflect that well. Zanahary ( talk) 20:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Nominator: Zanahary ( talk · contribs) 20:11, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien ( talk · contribs) 04:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello! Give me a week or so and I'll look over the article.
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Zanahary, after looking at the sources, I don't believe that this article is ready for nomination. Of what I was able to verify, there were frequent inconsistencies between the sources and the article, as well as some close paraphrasing and unreliable sources. There are also possible gaps in coverage, though I understand that this might be a more difficult subject to find sources for. I tried to provide a few other general notes, but I didn't comb the article for copyediting issues.
This article can be renominated at any time, though peer review is also an option if you want more general feedback first. WikiProject Judaism seems moderately active and there's a chance someone there may have thoughts on this as well. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 02:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Not directly related to GA but hamper verifiability and should really be fixed:
Chabad is a questionable source that should be avoided.In this case, it's cited to relate a story about a Chabad rabbi in Madagascar. It's corroborated by a South African news story, which is reproduced in No Small Jew. I think it's fine to use, since it's just Chabad's own archive.
What makes Mayyim Hayyim a reliable source?That source is a firsthand account of the group conversion of Madagascar's Jewish community.
What makes Kulanu a reliable source?They facilitated the conversion; their account should be fine to cite.
I'd like to see an overview of any Jewish practices or traditions in Madagascar. Are there any Malagasy traditions for Purim? That sort of thing.There is no source about this. The community had never been studied before 2013, and they didn't really exist before 2011, so the majority of scholarship is about their conversion and their conception as Jews. The only scholars to ever go and document them are Nathan Devir, William F.S. Miles, and Marla Brettschneider, with Tudor Parfitt having gone but never written about them in any depth. None of them talk about specific practices.
Is there antisemitism in Madagascar or discrimination toward any of the Jewish communities, now or historically?For the current Jews, there's no source besides the US State Department reports cited. Historically, I think the article explains pretty thoroughly how the Jews were treated in the Vichy period.
Does the Jewish community have a voice in local or national politics?No source discusses this; same situation as the Purim question.
![]() | Jews in Madagascar was nominated as a Philosophy and religion good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (June 20, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
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5x expanded by Zanahary ( talk). Self-nominated at 10:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jews in Madagascar; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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History of the Jews in Madagascar → Jews in Madagascar – Per MOS:CONCISE and MOS:PRECISE, this article's undiscussed move should be reverted. "Jews in Madagascar" is more concise and also more clear that it doesn't refer to "the Jews" (who would be generally read as foreigners) in Madagascar, but also largely to indigenous Jewish conversion as well as indigenous Judaic syncretic mythologies and esoteric religions. A lot of the article's subject is also contemporary, and "history of" doesn't reflect that well. Zanahary ( talk) 20:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Nominator: Zanahary ( talk · contribs) 20:11, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien ( talk · contribs) 04:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello! Give me a week or so and I'll look over the article.
Thebiguglyalien (
talk)
04:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Zanahary, after looking at the sources, I don't believe that this article is ready for nomination. Of what I was able to verify, there were frequent inconsistencies between the sources and the article, as well as some close paraphrasing and unreliable sources. There are also possible gaps in coverage, though I understand that this might be a more difficult subject to find sources for. I tried to provide a few other general notes, but I didn't comb the article for copyediting issues.
This article can be renominated at any time, though peer review is also an option if you want more general feedback first. WikiProject Judaism seems moderately active and there's a chance someone there may have thoughts on this as well. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 02:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
References:
Spot checks:
Broad coverage:
Other notes:
Not directly related to GA but hamper verifiability and should really be fixed:
Chabad is a questionable source that should be avoided.In this case, it's cited to relate a story about a Chabad rabbi in Madagascar. It's corroborated by a South African news story, which is reproduced in No Small Jew. I think it's fine to use, since it's just Chabad's own archive.
What makes Mayyim Hayyim a reliable source?That source is a firsthand account of the group conversion of Madagascar's Jewish community.
What makes Kulanu a reliable source?They facilitated the conversion; their account should be fine to cite.
I'd like to see an overview of any Jewish practices or traditions in Madagascar. Are there any Malagasy traditions for Purim? That sort of thing.There is no source about this. The community had never been studied before 2013, and they didn't really exist before 2011, so the majority of scholarship is about their conversion and their conception as Jews. The only scholars to ever go and document them are Nathan Devir, William F.S. Miles, and Marla Brettschneider, with Tudor Parfitt having gone but never written about them in any depth. None of them talk about specific practices.
Is there antisemitism in Madagascar or discrimination toward any of the Jewish communities, now or historically?For the current Jews, there's no source besides the US State Department reports cited. Historically, I think the article explains pretty thoroughly how the Jews were treated in the Vichy period.
Does the Jewish community have a voice in local or national politics?No source discusses this; same situation as the Purim question.