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(inserted for readability. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 19:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC))
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The best way to resolve a dispute is to avoid it in the first place.
Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it. Provide a good edit summary when making significant changes that other users might object to. The Three Revert Rule forbids the use of reverts in repetitive succession. If you encounter rude or inappropriate behavior, resist the temptation to respond in kind, and do not make personal attacks.
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Jayjg: "Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it. Provide a good edit summary when making significant changes that other users might object to. The Three Revert Rule forbids the use of reverts in repetitive succession."
Jayjg: This is the version you are reverting to:
Do you seriously consider this to be a useful wikipedia entry?
This is my recommendation for an improvement:
Rather than just revert without explanation, why don't you express what your issues are with my attempt to clean up this article? Keep in mind, this is a disambiguation article.
I've cleaned up some of the more wordy phrasing on the page. Some descriptions should certainly be kept in order to differentiate between the wars, which are, as mentioned, often cited by number; but there's no need to reiterate the participants of the wars under each one, since they all involve the Romans and the Jews. The bolding of text might need to be toned down also, since it is currently somewhat excessive. Kirill Lokshin 01:12, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
What has the Samaritan revolt to do with the topic of the article? The Samaritans and Jews were enemies since at least the Maccabee revolt, probably earlier. The Samaritans rebelled against oppressive Bysantine Christians (nominally East Romans, however), not against a pagan Roman Empire. That the Samaritans today are considered a Jewish sect is a modern invention, they're descendents of the Israelite Northern kingdom, not Judaea, mixed up with foreign peoples deported by the Assyrians. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 19:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
This number looks fantastic for a 2nd century war. The source is full of exagerations and seems to be politically motivated.
At this time, the Roman Empire as a whole had only 50 million people. The Holocaust was only possible with modern racialist justifications and industrial war methods. 78.29.170.229 ( talk) 13:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
-I agree that the article isn't perfect, but the figures aren't that extreme.
Caesar is thought to have killed hundreds of thousands (up to a million) in the Gallic Wars, the levelling of Carthage in the third punic war would have killed about 400,000, so it's a big figure for the period, but by no means unique.
I'm not passing judgement on the sources themselves, but the casualty figures listed in the article aren't that far outside the norms for Roman warfare in the period.
OneCatch (
talk) 13:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
IrisZoom, you are the one who is trying to make changes from this long-stable page. If you want to remove a source, you are the one to convince for the necessity of its removal per WP:BRD. GreyShark ( dibra) 12:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Jews lie. Plain and simple. 222.49.248.13 ( talk) 14:07, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Article mentions nationalism as one of the factors for the Jewish revolts. This is false as nationalism is a fairly modern concept which arose from the French Revolution onward. There was no such thing as nationalism before, people were generally loyal to a religion or to a particular leader rather than to their "nation" (which is a modern concept too). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.57.129 ( talk) 18:34, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
While reading this article, I realized that there is information missing. The article clearly gives the history of the Jewish-Roman Wars; however, it barely discusses the aftermath. I will add how these three wars caused the transition from Temple to Synagogue, the increased authority of the Rabbis, and the development of Rabbinic Judaism. All of my information will be coming from a secondary source, From Text To Tradition, by Lawrence Schiffman. If someone wants to discuss my plans on changing this article, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page. [1] Yiftach18 ( talk) 20:50, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
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(inserted for readability. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 19:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC))
From Dispute_resolution:
Avoidance
The best way to resolve a dispute is to avoid it in the first place.
Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it. Provide a good edit summary when making significant changes that other users might object to. The Three Revert Rule forbids the use of reverts in repetitive succession. If you encounter rude or inappropriate behavior, resist the temptation to respond in kind, and do not make personal attacks.
Writing according to the "perfect article guidelines" and following the NPOV policy can help you write "defensively", and limit your own bias in your writing. For some guidelines, see Wikipedia:Wikiquette.
Jayjg: "Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it. Provide a good edit summary when making significant changes that other users might object to. The Three Revert Rule forbids the use of reverts in repetitive succession."
Jayjg: This is the version you are reverting to:
Do you seriously consider this to be a useful wikipedia entry?
This is my recommendation for an improvement:
Rather than just revert without explanation, why don't you express what your issues are with my attempt to clean up this article? Keep in mind, this is a disambiguation article.
I've cleaned up some of the more wordy phrasing on the page. Some descriptions should certainly be kept in order to differentiate between the wars, which are, as mentioned, often cited by number; but there's no need to reiterate the participants of the wars under each one, since they all involve the Romans and the Jews. The bolding of text might need to be toned down also, since it is currently somewhat excessive. Kirill Lokshin 01:12, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
What has the Samaritan revolt to do with the topic of the article? The Samaritans and Jews were enemies since at least the Maccabee revolt, probably earlier. The Samaritans rebelled against oppressive Bysantine Christians (nominally East Romans, however), not against a pagan Roman Empire. That the Samaritans today are considered a Jewish sect is a modern invention, they're descendents of the Israelite Northern kingdom, not Judaea, mixed up with foreign peoples deported by the Assyrians. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 19:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
This number looks fantastic for a 2nd century war. The source is full of exagerations and seems to be politically motivated.
At this time, the Roman Empire as a whole had only 50 million people. The Holocaust was only possible with modern racialist justifications and industrial war methods. 78.29.170.229 ( talk) 13:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
-I agree that the article isn't perfect, but the figures aren't that extreme.
Caesar is thought to have killed hundreds of thousands (up to a million) in the Gallic Wars, the levelling of Carthage in the third punic war would have killed about 400,000, so it's a big figure for the period, but by no means unique.
I'm not passing judgement on the sources themselves, but the casualty figures listed in the article aren't that far outside the norms for Roman warfare in the period.
OneCatch (
talk) 13:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
IrisZoom, you are the one who is trying to make changes from this long-stable page. If you want to remove a source, you are the one to convince for the necessity of its removal per WP:BRD. GreyShark ( dibra) 12:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Jews lie. Plain and simple. 222.49.248.13 ( talk) 14:07, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Article mentions nationalism as one of the factors for the Jewish revolts. This is false as nationalism is a fairly modern concept which arose from the French Revolution onward. There was no such thing as nationalism before, people were generally loyal to a religion or to a particular leader rather than to their "nation" (which is a modern concept too). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.57.129 ( talk) 18:34, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
While reading this article, I realized that there is information missing. The article clearly gives the history of the Jewish-Roman Wars; however, it barely discusses the aftermath. I will add how these three wars caused the transition from Temple to Synagogue, the increased authority of the Rabbis, and the development of Rabbinic Judaism. All of my information will be coming from a secondary source, From Text To Tradition, by Lawrence Schiffman. If someone wants to discuss my plans on changing this article, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page. [1] Yiftach18 ( talk) 20:50, 25 April 2017 (UTC)