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"The initial violence was compounded by the state and federal courts' failure to act to protect Tafero's rights to a fair trial and his right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment, a right violated in the course of his execution." That is the most biased thing I've ever heard, so I had to remove it.
The original entry contains many factual errors that conflict directly with the official records in this case. The facts as presently stated are strictly from Jacobs' representations, which do not constitute a verifiable source. I have tried to correct the errors and have been prevented from doing so, even though I can provide copies of all of the official records in the case. If my official case records are not an acceptable verification of the corrections I have made, then this entire entry should be removed from the Wikipedia database, as it reflects Jacobs' personal assertions, not verifiable fact.
Jessie Tafero's name was not even spelled correctly. His legal name is Jessie Joseph Tafero. The variant spelling was one of his aliases. You can see his FDLE file at http://www.asking4justice.org/Download/Background/TaferoFLDEHistory.pdf. Rhodes was not released for good behavior. He is still in prison. Jacobs was not exonerated. She pled guilty. Her plea colloquy can be downloaded at http://www.asking4justice.org/Download/Postconviction/Jacobs/JacobsPleaColloquy100992.pdf.
In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral stance, material without a factual basis (such as this original entry) should be either removed or corrected. This original entry is a marketing entry for Jacobs' book. Saralestes 20:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)Sara Estes
If I can't be allowed to provide the record foundation to correct the errors in the original entry and the entry itself has no reliable, verifiable source, then the entry itself should be removed until and unless can provide a cite for the information that meets your criteria. Your policy does not allow promotional material and this entry is a promotion for Jacobs' books. Jessie Joseph Tafero killed two officers and was executed as the legal penalty for his crimes. Every court up to and including the US Supreme Court upheld his convictions and death sentence. Those are the facts. Tafero is no more special than any other person who has been executed. Even the fact that his execution was botched is not unique, even in Florida. If Wikipedia is devoted to presenting factual information, those are the facts. All of the other rhetoric about Jacobs, Rhodes, etc. is neither factual or verifiable as written. Therefore, there is no reason that this should be an entry in Wikipedia at all. I would like to request that, if you won't allow me to correct the factual errors, you remove the entry entirely. Official records in the case apparently don't fit with your definition of a verifiable source, which I accept, but then the entry doesn't meet that criterion, either. Saralestes 21:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC) Sara Estes
How do you know he killed two cops?From everything I've read about the case, Walter Rhodes admitted years later that it was HE that killed the two cops. As for the earlier post about Sonia Jacobs not being exonerated, but pleading guilty, she was given a choice, plead and be released for time served or be tried again with the possibility of staying in prison. MrNWA4Life 18:04, 28 March 2012
I removed a large chuck of text that appeared to be copied straight from a book. While quoting some text from a copyrighted work is permissible under fair use, the amount quoted may very likely violated fair use rules. Also the manor in which the quoted text was presented was not NPOV in my opinion. Even if the text was not a straight quote from the book, it was not written in a NPOV manor. While It's valid to included relevant claims made by the book, they should be presented a manor that conforms to Wikipedia copyright and NPOV guidelines. -- Cab88 15:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it's important to provide the criminal record of the three and that fact there was a warrant out for their arrest at the time. Most important is the fact that Tafero's criminal record included burglary, robbery, drugs and rape. Rhodes on the other hand had only an assault charge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smb2a ( talk • contribs) 17:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Where is your proof that there was a warrant out for their arrest at the time? You know nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.143.22 ( talk) 00:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Gunpowder is mentioned. More modern powder is a possibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 ( talk) 13:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
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If I can't be allowed to provide the record foundation to correct the errors in the original entry and the entry itself has no reliable, verifiable source, then the entry itself should be removed until and unless can provide a cite for the information that meets your criteria. Your policy does not allow promotional material and this entry is a promotion for Jacobs' books. Jessie Joseph Tafero killed two officers and was executed as the legal penalty for his crimes. Every court up to and including the US Supreme Court upheld his convictions and death sentence. Those are the facts. Tafero is no more special than any other person who has been executed. Even the fact that his execution was botched is not unique, even in Florida. If Wikipedia is devoted to presenting factual information, those are the facts. All of the other rhetoric about Jacobs, Rhodes, etc. is neither factual or verifiable as written. Therefore, there is no reason that this should be an entry in Wikipedia at all. I would like to request that, if you won't allow me to correct the factual errors, you remove the entry entirely. Official records in the case apparently don't fit with your definition of a verifiable source, which I accept, but then the entry doesn't meet that criterion, either. Saralestes 21:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC) Sara Estes |
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The article states that his children were put in care of Sunny Jacobs' parents "before their death in a 1982 plane crash." it never specifies if it was the children, the grandparents, someone else, or a collection of these parties that died in the plane crash. RevoLucian1776 ( talk) 15:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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"The initial violence was compounded by the state and federal courts' failure to act to protect Tafero's rights to a fair trial and his right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment, a right violated in the course of his execution." That is the most biased thing I've ever heard, so I had to remove it.
The original entry contains many factual errors that conflict directly with the official records in this case. The facts as presently stated are strictly from Jacobs' representations, which do not constitute a verifiable source. I have tried to correct the errors and have been prevented from doing so, even though I can provide copies of all of the official records in the case. If my official case records are not an acceptable verification of the corrections I have made, then this entire entry should be removed from the Wikipedia database, as it reflects Jacobs' personal assertions, not verifiable fact.
Jessie Tafero's name was not even spelled correctly. His legal name is Jessie Joseph Tafero. The variant spelling was one of his aliases. You can see his FDLE file at http://www.asking4justice.org/Download/Background/TaferoFLDEHistory.pdf. Rhodes was not released for good behavior. He is still in prison. Jacobs was not exonerated. She pled guilty. Her plea colloquy can be downloaded at http://www.asking4justice.org/Download/Postconviction/Jacobs/JacobsPleaColloquy100992.pdf.
In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral stance, material without a factual basis (such as this original entry) should be either removed or corrected. This original entry is a marketing entry for Jacobs' book. Saralestes 20:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)Sara Estes
If I can't be allowed to provide the record foundation to correct the errors in the original entry and the entry itself has no reliable, verifiable source, then the entry itself should be removed until and unless can provide a cite for the information that meets your criteria. Your policy does not allow promotional material and this entry is a promotion for Jacobs' books. Jessie Joseph Tafero killed two officers and was executed as the legal penalty for his crimes. Every court up to and including the US Supreme Court upheld his convictions and death sentence. Those are the facts. Tafero is no more special than any other person who has been executed. Even the fact that his execution was botched is not unique, even in Florida. If Wikipedia is devoted to presenting factual information, those are the facts. All of the other rhetoric about Jacobs, Rhodes, etc. is neither factual or verifiable as written. Therefore, there is no reason that this should be an entry in Wikipedia at all. I would like to request that, if you won't allow me to correct the factual errors, you remove the entry entirely. Official records in the case apparently don't fit with your definition of a verifiable source, which I accept, but then the entry doesn't meet that criterion, either. Saralestes 21:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC) Sara Estes
How do you know he killed two cops?From everything I've read about the case, Walter Rhodes admitted years later that it was HE that killed the two cops. As for the earlier post about Sonia Jacobs not being exonerated, but pleading guilty, she was given a choice, plead and be released for time served or be tried again with the possibility of staying in prison. MrNWA4Life 18:04, 28 March 2012
I removed a large chuck of text that appeared to be copied straight from a book. While quoting some text from a copyrighted work is permissible under fair use, the amount quoted may very likely violated fair use rules. Also the manor in which the quoted text was presented was not NPOV in my opinion. Even if the text was not a straight quote from the book, it was not written in a NPOV manor. While It's valid to included relevant claims made by the book, they should be presented a manor that conforms to Wikipedia copyright and NPOV guidelines. -- Cab88 15:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it's important to provide the criminal record of the three and that fact there was a warrant out for their arrest at the time. Most important is the fact that Tafero's criminal record included burglary, robbery, drugs and rape. Rhodes on the other hand had only an assault charge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smb2a ( talk • contribs) 17:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Where is your proof that there was a warrant out for their arrest at the time? You know nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.143.22 ( talk) 00:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Gunpowder is mentioned. More modern powder is a possibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 ( talk) 13:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Jesse Tafero/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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If I can't be allowed to provide the record foundation to correct the errors in the original entry and the entry itself has no reliable, verifiable source, then the entry itself should be removed until and unless can provide a cite for the information that meets your criteria. Your policy does not allow promotional material and this entry is a promotion for Jacobs' books. Jessie Joseph Tafero killed two officers and was executed as the legal penalty for his crimes. Every court up to and including the US Supreme Court upheld his convictions and death sentence. Those are the facts. Tafero is no more special than any other person who has been executed. Even the fact that his execution was botched is not unique, even in Florida. If Wikipedia is devoted to presenting factual information, those are the facts. All of the other rhetoric about Jacobs, Rhodes, etc. is neither factual or verifiable as written. Therefore, there is no reason that this should be an entry in Wikipedia at all. I would like to request that, if you won't allow me to correct the factual errors, you remove the entry entirely. Official records in the case apparently don't fit with your definition of a verifiable source, which I accept, but then the entry doesn't meet that criterion, either. Saralestes 21:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC) Sara Estes |
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The article states that his children were put in care of Sunny Jacobs' parents "before their death in a 1982 plane crash." it never specifies if it was the children, the grandparents, someone else, or a collection of these parties that died in the plane crash. RevoLucian1776 ( talk) 15:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)