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I removed the following: "he was awarded the 2002 Royal/Shell Prize for research on ‘Sustainable Development, Environment and Resources’." (source was "Koninklijke/Shell Prijs 2002 voor professor Van den Bergh". Nieuwsbank.nl.) I googled both "Royal/Shell Prize" and "Koninklijke/Shell Prijs econoom" and found mostly references to him citing it, and a few stray others. Doesn't seem to be notable. I would be happy to see some source showing that prize is some kind of big deal worth mentioning.. like a list of winners somewhere or the like. Jytdog ( talk) 01:40, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Here http://www.volkskrant.nl/archief/een-poldermodel-voor-de-aarde~a631075/ is a weblink to an article in the main left-wing newspaper of the Netherlands, De Volkskrant of October 2002 ( /info/en/?search=De_Volkskrant), with an interview with vdB due to having been awarded the Royal/Shell prize. This answers your question for a secondary source/newspaper article. Research83 ( talk) 19:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Btw, one error in the article that I forgot to mention: vdB is elected member of the Academy of Europe (Academia Europaea) as of October 2010, not 2015 (ref. to his cv at ICREA can be made). Research83 ( talk) 20:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
"Sant Jordi Environmental Prize" yields only references to van den Bergh. (content was sourced to here) ditto "Premi Sant Jordi de Medi Ambient". all self-promo, it appears. as above, i would be happy to see some evidence that this prize is notable. Jytdog ( talk) 01:46, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
you make my point that the jordi prize is not a big enough deal for a Wikipedia article. it is nothing like a lasker. and the press release you cite does what press releases do. i am looking for something like this Jytdog ( talk) 18:22, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
If you are looking for a newspaper article on this prize: Here www.iec.cat/butlleti/pdf/153_butlleti_recull_premis_sant_jordi.pdf is an article in a main Spanish (4th most circulated) and the most important Catalan newspaper La Vanguardia ( /info/en/?search=La_Vanguardia) about the prize, with vdB also mentioned at the end. Research83 ( talk) 20:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
to give this some meaning, i cited his top 5 most-cited papers from google scholar (which has the benefit of being freely available). I doubled checked at the Web of Science (more scholarly but proprietary) and it roughly matched. Here is the list from Web of Science
Spatial sustainability, trade and indicators: an evaluation of the 'ecological footprint' By: van den Bergh, JCJM; Verbruggen, H ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 29 Issue: 1 Pages: 61-72 Published: APR 1999 Times Cited: 207
Ecological-economic analysis of wetlands: scientific integration for management and policy By: Turner, RK; van den Bergh, JCJM; Soderqvist, T; et al. ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 35 Issue: 1 Special Issue: SI Pages: 7-23 Published: OCT 2000 Times Cited: 178
Economic growth and emissions: reconsidering the empirical basis of environmental Kuznets curves By: de Bruyn, SM; van den Bergh, JCJM; Opschoor, JB ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 25 Issue: 2 Pages: 161-175 Published: MAY 1998 Times Cited: 152
Economic valuation of biodiversity: sense or nonsense? By: Nunes, PALD; van den Bergh, JCJM ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 39 Issue: 2 Pages: 203-222 Published: NOV 2001 Times Cited: 133
Alternative models of individual behaviour and implications for environmental policy By: van den Bergh, JCJM; Ferrer-i-Carbonell, A; Munda, G ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 32 Issue: 1 Pages: 43-61 Published: JAN 2000 Times Cited: 75
Structural decomposition analysis of physical flows in the economy By: Hoekstra, R; van den Bergh, JCJM ENVIRONMENTAL & RESOURCE ECONOMICS Volume: 23 Issue: 3 Pages: 357-378 Published: NOV 2002 Times Cited: 63
Evolutionary policies for sustainable development: adaptive flexibility and risk minimising By: Rammel, C; van den Bergh, JCJM ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 47 Issue: 2-3 Pages: 121-133 Published: DEC 2003 Times Cited: 62
Evaluation of risks of metal flows and accumulation in economy and environment By: Guinee, JB; van den Bergh, JCJM; Boelens, J; et al. ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 30 Issue: 1 Pages: 47-65 Published: JUL 1999 Times Cited: 60
Material flows and economic models: an analytical comparison of SFA, LCA and partial equilibrium models By: Bouman, M; Heijungs, R; van der Voet, E; et al. ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 32 Issue: 2 Pages: 195-216 Published: FEB 2000 Times Cited: 54
Insurance against climate change and flooding in the Netherlands: Present, future, and comparison with other countries By: Botzen, W. J. W.; van den Bergh, J. C. J. M. RISK ANALYSIS Volume: 28 Issue: 2 Pages: 413-426 Published: APR 2008 Times Cited: 52
If somebody has a better idea, i am all ears. Jytdog ( talk) 02:11, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Mentioning the top 5 most-cited papers from google scholar is questionable for various reasons: - It gives too much attention to citations, and neglects important journals or diversity of topics, or topics that are most characteristic for this author. - It does not take into account whether the author was the first/main author or not. It would make more sense to select from the list the articles that van den Bergh authored alone or where he was mentioned as first author. - These are relatively old publications, which partly contributes to them being much cited. One might also look at articles that are relatively much cited given the time since publication (i.e. ranking according to citations per year). This procedure is now invented by the editor, and I it is not consistent with lists of selected articles found in other articles about scientists. Usually articles are mentioned that reflect best the work or ideas of the respective people, like the list which I had originally included. I would like to suggest the editor therefore to revert to that original list. Research83 ( talk) 05:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
You don't respond to my argument. Please do so. And I strongly get the feeling (based on this item and that on the two prizes discussed on this page) that you apply standards which are clearly different from what has been accepted in many other Wikipedia articles. Most selected publications in Wikipedia contributions that I have seen are not motivated by "most cited articles in Google Scholar". So why follow a different, ad hoc approach here? Research83 ( talk) 19:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Research83 ( talk) 09:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I went over the article and removed puffery and cited everything. still relies a lot on WP:SPS but per WP:BLPSELFPUB that is marginally ok, i guess. typical academic.. not much independent discussion of him per se. I removed the COI tag. it can stay off as long as the subject avoids editing it directly. I have it watchlisted. Jytdog ( talk) 02:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
He edited the Handbook of Environmental and Resource Economics [1] (1999, Edward Elgar Publ., 1328 pages). This has been evaluated as a constructive synthesis of mainstream and heterodox approaches. [2]
References
Please refrain from making suggestive remarks that don't serve any purpose here and only can cause irritation. I am also doing my best, which is not easy as I am not convinced yet (but willing to give it a chance) that you are perfectly neutral regarding this article. And thanks for responding twice to my comments with a change in the article. Research83 ( talk) 19:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Detail: "encyclopaedic character' has wrong right quote mark in the article. Research83 ( talk) 09:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
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I removed the following: "he was awarded the 2002 Royal/Shell Prize for research on ‘Sustainable Development, Environment and Resources’." (source was "Koninklijke/Shell Prijs 2002 voor professor Van den Bergh". Nieuwsbank.nl.) I googled both "Royal/Shell Prize" and "Koninklijke/Shell Prijs econoom" and found mostly references to him citing it, and a few stray others. Doesn't seem to be notable. I would be happy to see some source showing that prize is some kind of big deal worth mentioning.. like a list of winners somewhere or the like. Jytdog ( talk) 01:40, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Here http://www.volkskrant.nl/archief/een-poldermodel-voor-de-aarde~a631075/ is a weblink to an article in the main left-wing newspaper of the Netherlands, De Volkskrant of October 2002 ( /info/en/?search=De_Volkskrant), with an interview with vdB due to having been awarded the Royal/Shell prize. This answers your question for a secondary source/newspaper article. Research83 ( talk) 19:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Btw, one error in the article that I forgot to mention: vdB is elected member of the Academy of Europe (Academia Europaea) as of October 2010, not 2015 (ref. to his cv at ICREA can be made). Research83 ( talk) 20:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
"Sant Jordi Environmental Prize" yields only references to van den Bergh. (content was sourced to here) ditto "Premi Sant Jordi de Medi Ambient". all self-promo, it appears. as above, i would be happy to see some evidence that this prize is notable. Jytdog ( talk) 01:46, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
you make my point that the jordi prize is not a big enough deal for a Wikipedia article. it is nothing like a lasker. and the press release you cite does what press releases do. i am looking for something like this Jytdog ( talk) 18:22, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
If you are looking for a newspaper article on this prize: Here www.iec.cat/butlleti/pdf/153_butlleti_recull_premis_sant_jordi.pdf is an article in a main Spanish (4th most circulated) and the most important Catalan newspaper La Vanguardia ( /info/en/?search=La_Vanguardia) about the prize, with vdB also mentioned at the end. Research83 ( talk) 20:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
to give this some meaning, i cited his top 5 most-cited papers from google scholar (which has the benefit of being freely available). I doubled checked at the Web of Science (more scholarly but proprietary) and it roughly matched. Here is the list from Web of Science
Spatial sustainability, trade and indicators: an evaluation of the 'ecological footprint' By: van den Bergh, JCJM; Verbruggen, H ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 29 Issue: 1 Pages: 61-72 Published: APR 1999 Times Cited: 207
Ecological-economic analysis of wetlands: scientific integration for management and policy By: Turner, RK; van den Bergh, JCJM; Soderqvist, T; et al. ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 35 Issue: 1 Special Issue: SI Pages: 7-23 Published: OCT 2000 Times Cited: 178
Economic growth and emissions: reconsidering the empirical basis of environmental Kuznets curves By: de Bruyn, SM; van den Bergh, JCJM; Opschoor, JB ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 25 Issue: 2 Pages: 161-175 Published: MAY 1998 Times Cited: 152
Economic valuation of biodiversity: sense or nonsense? By: Nunes, PALD; van den Bergh, JCJM ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 39 Issue: 2 Pages: 203-222 Published: NOV 2001 Times Cited: 133
Alternative models of individual behaviour and implications for environmental policy By: van den Bergh, JCJM; Ferrer-i-Carbonell, A; Munda, G ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 32 Issue: 1 Pages: 43-61 Published: JAN 2000 Times Cited: 75
Structural decomposition analysis of physical flows in the economy By: Hoekstra, R; van den Bergh, JCJM ENVIRONMENTAL & RESOURCE ECONOMICS Volume: 23 Issue: 3 Pages: 357-378 Published: NOV 2002 Times Cited: 63
Evolutionary policies for sustainable development: adaptive flexibility and risk minimising By: Rammel, C; van den Bergh, JCJM ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 47 Issue: 2-3 Pages: 121-133 Published: DEC 2003 Times Cited: 62
Evaluation of risks of metal flows and accumulation in economy and environment By: Guinee, JB; van den Bergh, JCJM; Boelens, J; et al. ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 30 Issue: 1 Pages: 47-65 Published: JUL 1999 Times Cited: 60
Material flows and economic models: an analytical comparison of SFA, LCA and partial equilibrium models By: Bouman, M; Heijungs, R; van der Voet, E; et al. ECOLOGICAL ECONOMICS Volume: 32 Issue: 2 Pages: 195-216 Published: FEB 2000 Times Cited: 54
Insurance against climate change and flooding in the Netherlands: Present, future, and comparison with other countries By: Botzen, W. J. W.; van den Bergh, J. C. J. M. RISK ANALYSIS Volume: 28 Issue: 2 Pages: 413-426 Published: APR 2008 Times Cited: 52
If somebody has a better idea, i am all ears. Jytdog ( talk) 02:11, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Mentioning the top 5 most-cited papers from google scholar is questionable for various reasons: - It gives too much attention to citations, and neglects important journals or diversity of topics, or topics that are most characteristic for this author. - It does not take into account whether the author was the first/main author or not. It would make more sense to select from the list the articles that van den Bergh authored alone or where he was mentioned as first author. - These are relatively old publications, which partly contributes to them being much cited. One might also look at articles that are relatively much cited given the time since publication (i.e. ranking according to citations per year). This procedure is now invented by the editor, and I it is not consistent with lists of selected articles found in other articles about scientists. Usually articles are mentioned that reflect best the work or ideas of the respective people, like the list which I had originally included. I would like to suggest the editor therefore to revert to that original list. Research83 ( talk) 05:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
You don't respond to my argument. Please do so. And I strongly get the feeling (based on this item and that on the two prizes discussed on this page) that you apply standards which are clearly different from what has been accepted in many other Wikipedia articles. Most selected publications in Wikipedia contributions that I have seen are not motivated by "most cited articles in Google Scholar". So why follow a different, ad hoc approach here? Research83 ( talk) 19:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Research83 ( talk) 09:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I went over the article and removed puffery and cited everything. still relies a lot on WP:SPS but per WP:BLPSELFPUB that is marginally ok, i guess. typical academic.. not much independent discussion of him per se. I removed the COI tag. it can stay off as long as the subject avoids editing it directly. I have it watchlisted. Jytdog ( talk) 02:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
He edited the Handbook of Environmental and Resource Economics [1] (1999, Edward Elgar Publ., 1328 pages). This has been evaluated as a constructive synthesis of mainstream and heterodox approaches. [2]
References
Please refrain from making suggestive remarks that don't serve any purpose here and only can cause irritation. I am also doing my best, which is not easy as I am not convinced yet (but willing to give it a chance) that you are perfectly neutral regarding this article. And thanks for responding twice to my comments with a change in the article. Research83 ( talk) 19:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Detail: "encyclopaedic character' has wrong right quote mark in the article. Research83 ( talk) 09:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)