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I would qualify this substance as an inhalant, akin to inhaling gasoline fumes. If you read Erowid trip reports on gasoline (under inhalants) you will find similar stories. See [1] and [2]. If you also read reports from other gases (butane, propane, etc), the reports are also similar. -- Thoric 23:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Silly. Considering the material isn't smoked, but rather, a gas at room temperature is huffed, what is the highest possible concentration that could be absorbed, given the rather low vapor pressure at room temperature? Keep in mind that water is present, and there's no reason to suspect that the pH is anywhere near basic enough to be driving anything out of solution either... Zaphraud ( talk) 06:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the claim that Methane facilitates psychedelic experiences is valid or the citation provided relevant; methane is a non toxic asphyxiant and the amount needed to cause significant oxygen deprivation is higher than what can be achieved from huffing from a plastic bottle. -- 84.92.184.12 01:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
While methane and carbon dioxide are known products of the chemical processes involved when sewage is fermented, no information bar speculations exist as to the identity of the psychoactive agent or agents within the compound. However, Methane is biologically inactive and essentially non-toxic [1]. Human feces itself is known to contain several indole alkaloids, and while some well-known psychedelic drugs are in fact indoles, it is not known if any of the indoles present in human feces have psychoactive properties, nor whether these could become part of the gaseous substance that is known as jenkem.
As it stands, the above is original research because it's original synthesis of background information, rather than reporting published theories on what jenkem might be. 86.140.108.192 13:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
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Council of Conservative Citizens has opened a thread on Jenkem. __ meco 01:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
The above was removed in this edit by User:Chaser with the edit commentary: "clearing out cruft". __ meco 07:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
An alleged confidential alert from a County Sheriff’s Office in Naples, Florida asserts that Jenkem has now gained widespread popularity in American schools (this section's headline being a direct quote from the intercepted letter). I suppose this means imminent big media coverage if the letter is authentic. __ meco 13:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Although not specific, this forum post states that the Jenkem phenomenon has been the topic of US radio mention. __ meco 08:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Made me laugh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.199.45 ( talk) 12:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
(undent)"God" is wholly intangible whereas "recycling" is replicable and observable...and has a set definition. False analogy. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
That means we have entered a specific conceptual model. And the conceptual model "waste management" is as broad as possible and yet it still does not encompass anything that resembles what is done with Jenkem. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
you cannot assert that anything with which these systems do not occupy themselves, is precluded from being considered "recycling." If the terms have set definitions, and we are using logic, then yes, I can. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
You are likewise advocating that the term recycling is "owned" by one limitedly framed paradigm. The paradigm can be whatever it wants to be. It can expand; it can contract. Not only does Jenkem not fit under the broadest possible paradigm that can be verified, but it doesn't even satisfy the most singular definition. I've attacked the premise that "Jenkem is recycling" on both the definitional and paradigmatic flanks, and I need only hold one position to defeat the premise - you need both. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
During the Vietnam war, viet cong were known to coat Punji sticks with human feces to induce infection in the victim. If you maintain that Jenkem production is recycling, then I expect you to maintain that Punji sticks coated with feces is recycling. The two are nearly perfectly analogous:
Have fun pushing that argument. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 01:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
A known contributor to air pollution is the displacement of petrol fumes when refilling an automobile's fuel tank. If one inhales these fumes to absorb the chemicals for psychoactive effects, is it recycling? According to you, it is. In fact, it is more an act of recycling because the chemical fumes are absorbed into the body, whereas Jenkum production does not dispose of any of the feces and urine used in its creation. --
Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 03:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I absolutely don't mean to open a closed book here, but I'd like to say something: jenkem as a form of recycling is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. It makes sense to me, but, to each - ver own. 76.4.195.53 ( talk) 04:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks like you lost in epic fashion, meco. 68.84.6.98 ( talk) 21:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Is this just one great big hoax? I'm highly sceptical. In this day and age it's quite possible for fakery to circulate widely online. And even if someone says "I tried this, it did absolutely nothing", the hoaxers just come back with "well you must have got it wrong". M0ffx 01:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This is a Hoax. Either you guys are in on it or your incredibly gullible http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1105072jenkem1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.20.7.99 ( talk) 15:48, November 6, 2007 (UTC)
Let's look all all the listed references in turn.
Thus, the way I see it, we have only ONE reliable and detailed source, the BBC one. Two if you count the IPS article, I've only seen it second-hand. We have NO reliable sources of its usage in the US. It's quite possibly being tried by members of totse and the like, there is NO evidence it's actually being used 'seriously' as a drug.
Maybe hoax was a bit strong, but the basis for this article is weak. M0ffx 09:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
It isn't a hoax, the kid just didn't want to ruin his reputation, so he claimed to have hoaxed the whole thing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.24.105.172 ( talk) 02:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Holy shit guys, Jenkem is a hoax, it's been established who created it. What more is needed? And people wonder why Wikipedia isn't respected when you have articles about obvious hoaxes. I know this will probably be deleted by someone, but it needs to be said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.76.32 ( talk) 08:09, November 18, 2007 (UTC)
This is all a big joke on the media by totse, only one kid did it, it's not the new drug that's sweeping the nation.
All the photos in those news reports are from that one kid, the conservative media is just eating it up for better ratings.
What happened to wikipedia? Censorship? Truth being trumped by sensationalist media reports? Shameful.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.46.190 ( talk) 05:00, November 7, 2007 (UTC)
Yhea, I heard about it on the chans and on ED about a day after it happened. But it dosen't mean huffing the jenk dosen't make you high/cool/increase streetcred/e-penis/ ect. I feel kinda "unwarrantedly self important". This is the closest I've ever been to the birth any major meme. check out Jenkem.com and the www.myspace.com/jenkem for the new drug thats sweeping our nation. User:Z4ph0d — Preceding undated comment added 18:11, November 9, 2007 (UTC)
The kid that supposedly did this and made a trip report on totse.com later claimed that he actually never did it and that the pictures he took of the substance was fake. He mixed together some beer, water, and nutella to make it look like fecal matter in a jar. I think mention of this "widely cited trip report" should be removed since it is now a confirmed hoax. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GemeniUltra ( talk • contribs) 15:29, November 6, 2007 (UTC)
A discussion thread on forums.officer.com (the Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums) which started on October 12 has the following information:
__ meco 11:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Lots of offensive content in the 4chan screenshot, should be redacted, don't you think? Sbrawner 16:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This is original research and should be removed. Faulty 21:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/Jenkem2.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stageleft ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to separate the developing news timeline from what acutally has taken place in 2007, i.e. the TOTSE angle, the Palmetto High parent inquiry which in turn led to the now leaked sheriff's office memo, the response of the DEA and the law enforcement community, the urban legend white papers, news commentaries, commentaries from schoolers and parents, from health and law enforcement officials, etc. With the accelerating momentum of this story this article will otherwise become very unreadable. __ meco 16:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi. wouldn't you agree to remove all the timeline developments from that article to a linked and new page called "Jenkem Update" ? The article would stay with the information about the subject as an encyclopedic article while updates and a timeline can be followed in the new special page. This will provide better readability to the main article while still providing where to follow up. Dao ken 16:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The timing is suspect as it is currently the time period in the USA where the viewership of television stations is sampled to aid in the setting of advertising rates. "Sweeps" normally causes news organizations and programs to produce and air sensational and fantastic stories to temporarily increase audience size. Correlation or causality? OldZeb 00:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I read the Salon article before it was subsequently moved to premium content making only a snippet available to the general non-paying audience. There were several sources listed at the end of the article which I haven't come across in my own investigation of Internet sites detailing Jenkem and the media flurry. Could someone with premium access to Salon please list those sources here? __ meco 03:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Warren Ellis apparently mentioned Jenkem on his blog on August 27, 2007, for which he'd like to be credited. The blog entry is rather scant and missing references. I'll leave this note here for now. __ meco 10:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see some proof that this is a "drug epidemic" and is popular in schools. So far the only mention of it or pictures at all I've heard is a 6 month old thread about a kid trying it one time to tell others on a drug forum what the experience was like. It seems like the media is just trying to scare the population by saying that kids are huffing their own excrement even though there is absolutely no proof whatsoever of widespread use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.46.190 ( talk) 06:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
That's right. The Jenkem phenomenon is a HOAX! I checked it out at Snopes, and apparently, it is a hoax. I hope a bunch of people here feel appropriately dopey after all the work they went to in researching, sourcing, annotating and writing this article.
Michael 00:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Information from Associated Content does not qualify as reliable. It has no editorial oversight, and anyone can publish whatever they want there and call it fact. The AC article can (and probably should) be mentioned in the context of the enterprise-ledger story, but we can't cite any factual information from it in other areas. Most, if not all, of the stuff cited from the AC story can be sourced to more reputable sources, e.g. Nytimes, BBC, etc. Skinwalker 13:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I split the sections based on basic Jenkem information and the latter western hoax/panic/etc. This article ( Jenkem) should focus on Jenkem itself (origin, use, toxicology, etc) and mention the other. The other should focus on the development of the Internet Meme, the resulting panic, the revealing of the hoax, etc and subsequent news coverage. Both have merit being included in WP and should have their own separate pages. spryde | talk 14:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
It is time to condense this into a solidly referenced section instead of a massive timeline seeing as the rest of the community does not want the full timeline in there. My suggestion would be the lead paragraph with proper references + flyer image. Drop the "First Media Reports" and leave it be. Any objections to this? spryde | talk 19:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Recent major overhauls/purges have taken place in a very rash manner and without the appropriate consideration for the fact that this is a cooperative effort. If some editors are of the opinion that the entire timeline documentation of the current media surge should be wiped, that is not trivial and uncontroversial, so please allow for a proper discussion to take place before simply making such drastic changes. __ meco 21:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Well, the information will be retained in the history of this article. In the event that it is needed, we know where it is. I might stash a copy of the moral panic section in my userspace to flesh it out a bit more. spryde | talk 22:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Some see it one way, some see it another way. As I have stated before, even if we have an exhaustive list, I think it should go as it is merely repetitive and does not add anything to the information content of the article. spryde | talk 09:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
These two organizations have headlined and run the story, respectively, on Jenkem. If someone can find links to pages on these organizations' sites about Jenkem (which I haven't been able to find) that would be nice. __ meco 19:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone link the inside edition segment/reporting? That I would really like to see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.211.165 ( talk) 03:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
For all the issues that I feel this article has, the one thing I am sure of is that this is a real thing based on the BBC source. The word "purported" makes this seem like a hoax in its entirety. If anyone else feels different, I am open to discussion. spryde | talk 02:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Please stay close to the sources, as much as possible as to avoid stating opinions as facts, in particular when there are competing opinions. In these cases, attributing an opinion to the source is also needed. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I want to make this a separate point. I think this is a pretty unique perspective which calls for special considerations, the full breadth and depth of which I cannot fully grasp, but I think I grasp some that other editors presently don't. The attitude towards the redacting of this article hinges on whether one perceives this to be a significant angle or not. Could we work towards a consensus on this point? __ meco 17:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
__ meco 22:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I admit it, it's funny but come on this can't be serious. Virus of Profanity ( talk) 20:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
People on the [ Yahoo Jenkem Group] are claiming to have tried it. I emailed one and asked for pictures to confirm that this can even be done. No, I'm not trying it msyelf. Conservationist2012 ( talk) 19:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
This newspaper ran this story on Sunday, Dec. 2, 2007. It is about a guy who has been arrested and charged with possession of a toad with the intent of extracting the hallucinogen bufotenine from its secretions. The story also mentions Jenkem, however, I will simply mention it here while we contemplate how and if this should be integrated in the present article. __ meco 11:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
See definition thereof:
"In U.S. legal context, narcotic refers to opium, opium derivatives, and their semi-synthetic or fully synthetic substitutes "as well as cocaine and coca leaves," which although classified as "narcotics" in the U.S. Controlled Substances Act (CSA), are chemically not narcotics. Contrary to popular belief, marijuana is not a narcotic. Neither are LSD and other psychedelic drugs.[4]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.41.152 ( talk) 05:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
However narcotic can be defined as sleep inducing and yet bay leaf (a non psychoactive substance) is narcotic as i read somewhere Machinexa ( talk) 18:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Template:Hoax is for articles which are themselves fraudulent; Jenkem makes clear that the veracity of much "Jenkem" information and indeed the existence of "Jenkem" itself is controversial. It's right in the lede. As for Template:Fansite I'm not sure how that was intended. The article probably needs general cleanup but it doesn't seem like a "Jenkem fansite" to me and there's no explanation on talk offered. < eleland/ talk edits> 21:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
You have this in the article:
Jenkem is, according to widely reported anecdotal sources as of November 2007, in the process of attaining a foothold among US teenagers
which is untrue. There is NO SOURCE Jenkem is really used by US teenagers. NOONE has ever used it. There is no source and, therefore, no reason to be mentioned as actual drug used in US. If it is OK with the community, I will rewrite it tommorrow, so it will look more .. accurate. -- 89.24.252.9 ( talk) 01:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I have some issues with the use of "dagga." Though the citation is correct, dagga generally refers to a different plant. If anything, dagga is a cannabis substitute. The chart also notes dagga and marijuana as two different drugs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.111.227 ( talk) 15:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
It is also known as Leeroy Jenkems and Butthash —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.63.244 ( talk) 23:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Methane is a well known intoxicant, its effects are unrelated to oxygen deprevation. The ancient Oracle of Delphi was possibly using it as of producing an euphoric state. Why not explore these aspects? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.165.183.69 ( talk) 13:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The following paragraph which I added only yesterday was taken out by another editor:
User:Eleland states in the edit summary, "rm unsourced editorializing (but he had a point, so I'm taking out 'purportedly)". I really would like to have this bit remain, since in my experience a lot of people assert that Jenkem per se is a hoax and are unable to distinguish between the US-confined media hype and the original story which has been corroborated by sources that cannot be described as anything but sober and reliable. If the wording in the above is inappropriate, could it be reworded so that it is acceptable leaving the message to be prominently displayed in the article? __ meco ( talk) 08:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
This is unverified by the Collier County Sheriff's Department, but supposedly the original "letter" was a joke posted on 4chan on September 17th, 2007. Here is the original text.
I am writing you anonymously because I do not want my child to get in any trouble, but I need to alert you to something your students are doing that is potentially very dangerous. Yesterday afternoon I came home early to find my son and his friends getting high on something called "jenkem" which they say they heard about at school. This "jenkem" is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of. They urinate and defecate in plastic bottles and leave them to ferment in the sun, then inhale the resulting gas. I know it sounds unreal but when I came home I found my son and his friends laying on the grass in the backyard and they were acting very strangely. There was a horrible, putrid smell in the air. I can't believe my son would do something like this. I looked it up on the internet and apparently this was something invented by african children that wound up online and now kids all over the world are doing it. My son says most of his friends at school have tried it. This seems to be a new thing and I can't find any information about the health effects of jenkem - I think it is the methane and ammonia content that provides the desired high, but I don't really know. Both of those are very harmful chemicals. All sorts of diseases are spread through fecal matter. I imagine it could lead to some very serious health problems at your school. My wife and I are utterly shocked and talking about private school. We have spoken to our son about this and he says he won't do it anymore, but because it is on the internet kids all over the country are trying jenkem and they need to be educated about the health risks. It is only a matter of time before somebody dies from methane poisoning or this leads to a hepatitis outbreak. I don't know exactly what you could do about this as jenkem is legal but I needed to inform you of what some of your students are doing.
Unconfirmed and doesn't belong in article, but I thought I'd post it here on the talk page for the sake of completion.
In other words, this whole thing is just one big prank.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.100.15 ( talk) 05:57, June 8, 2008 (UTC)
I added a reference to jenkem in the X Files episode "War of the Coprophages" from 1996. It isn't named as jenkem but is feces being distilled into a hallucinogenic drug, and the episode is linked to this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DharmicVision ( talk • contribs) 19:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
An article in a British newspaper indicates that Jenkem use may be included in a coming mockumentary by Ian Welsh. Perhaps we should wait for its release before writing about it in this article. __ meco ( talk) 17:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
It's not METHANE which is active, it's Bufotenine (A schedule 1 drug in the US). I don't know of anyone who's really tried it but the science is there... I can't fix the article however because it's 'protected:" Can someone please update!!!
"Potentially hallucinogenic 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor ligands bufotenine and dimethyltryptamine in blood and tissues" from Scandinavian Journal of Clinical and Laboratory Investigation, Volume 65, Issue 3 April 2005 , pages 189 - 199 Authors: J. Kaumlrkkaumlinen a; T. Forsstroumlm b; J. Tornaeus c; K. Waumlhaumllauml d; P. Kiuru d; A. Honkanen e; U. -H. Stenman f; U. Turpeinen b; A. Hesso ABSTRACT: Bufotenine and N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) are hallucinogenic dimethylated indolethylamines (DMIAs) formed from serotonin and tryptamine by the enzyme indolethylamine N-methyltransferase (INMT) ubiquitously present in non-neural tissues. In mammals, endogenous bufotenine and DMT have been identified only in human urine. The DMIAs bind effectively to 5HT receptors and their administration causes a variety of autonomic effects, which may reflect their actual physiological function. Endogenous levels of bufotenine and DMT in blood and a number of animal and human tissues were determined using highly sensitive and specific quantitative mass spectrometric techniques. A new finding was the detection of large amounts of bufotenine in stools, which may be an indication of its role in intestinal function. It is suggested that fecal and urinary bufotenine originate from epithelial cells of the intestine and the kidney, respectively, although the possibility of their synthesis by intestinal bacteria cannot be excluded. Only small amounts of the DMIAs were found in somatic or neural tissues and none in blood. This can be explained by rapid catabolism of the DMIAs by mitochondrial monoamino-oxidase or by the fact that the dimethylated products of serotonin and tryptamine are not formed in significant amounts in most mammalian tissues despite the widespread presence of INMT in tissues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyterius ( talk • contribs) 11:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
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help)Seriously -- why am I learning about www.about.com in the first few sentences of this article, instead of the fact that the US police department published a report that "Jenkem is now a popular drug in American Schools." ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.213.84.10 ( talk) 17:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't this simply come from kids huffing glue? I come from South Africa, and Genkem (pronounced jenkem!) is a popular brand of glue. -- Slashme ( talk) 17:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Although Jenkem is only once mentioned in this comprehensive article, it might still be interesting as a reference for our article. I'm leaving the URL here if somebody wants to use it. __ meco ( talk) 17:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Jenkem was an internet meme. It was a hoax. Anyone who doubts this has never worked in sanitation, and knows nothing about sewage toxicology. If you want to find out if you can get high sniffing poo, ask one of the thousands of people who work in sewers. In the past 2000 years of recorded history no sanitation worker has ever come forward claiming to have gotten high from sewage exposure.
I'll retract these statements when someone provides a citation documenting unintentional intoxication verified by a witness, not hearsay from "desperate teens willing do anything to get high". Until then the matter is settled.
The toxicology of sewage exposure is exceedingly well documented [4] [5], thousands of professionals devote their careers to this science. If you still suspect that sewage is a hallucinogen, ask a scientist, doctor, or professional sanitation worker. If sewage were a drug, somebody would have noticed it in the 25,000 years before the Usenet was invented, not a few weeks after.
Wikipedia looks naïve for taking this myth half seriously. Worse, cretins reading this article may be tempted to expose themselves to raw sewage, which could result in disease ( Cholera, Hepatitis A) or parasitic infection ( Crypto, Pinworm).
It is possible that intoxication has resulted from exposure to sewage, but in that case the cause would be something unusual in the sewage, not the sewage itself. NOrbeck ( talk) 23:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Sections of this article are written in such a fashion as to imply that Jenkem is a real drug with a real formula. It must be made more clear throughout this article that Jenkem is a hoax and attempts to make it could lead to poisonings and fires - risks that don't even have a reward. At times it sounds like a recipe book. I think the article needs to be more clear - throughout the text - that Jenkem is all a hoax which could be dangerous if taken seriously - after all, we still hear of kids smoking banana peels and catnip. It's easy to imagine this gaining undue popularity as well. Spiral5800 ( talk) 06:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
In The Guardian's article " From street child to college boy" from Nov 21, 2011, jenkem is described as "a powerful solvent that causes severe long-term health problems". However little information this is, we should pay it high attention since the subject of the article is one of those Zambian street children of the original reports that set the jenkem snowball rolling in the first place. This description also adds credibility to the claim made here on the talk page that the alleged drug jenkem is synonymous with a South African brand of glue called Genkem. In any case, this seems an important new piece of information. __ meco ( talk) 16:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Why the picture shows white child using jenkem, why it is known fact that 99% of its users are black people (mostly Africans, also many African-americans in usa)? "Baking soda, I got baking soda!" O.T. Genasis This is racism against white people. Please fix it. If you roll it up and put it in a blunt you get mad blown, cholo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.7.10.144 ( talk) 08:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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This was proved to be a hoax many years ago. Why has the article not be changed to reflect this? Yes, it had news coverage and became an Internet meme, but fermented sewage is not a drug. -- Thoric ( talk) 19:38, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
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I would qualify this substance as an inhalant, akin to inhaling gasoline fumes. If you read Erowid trip reports on gasoline (under inhalants) you will find similar stories. See [1] and [2]. If you also read reports from other gases (butane, propane, etc), the reports are also similar. -- Thoric 23:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Silly. Considering the material isn't smoked, but rather, a gas at room temperature is huffed, what is the highest possible concentration that could be absorbed, given the rather low vapor pressure at room temperature? Keep in mind that water is present, and there's no reason to suspect that the pH is anywhere near basic enough to be driving anything out of solution either... Zaphraud ( talk) 06:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the claim that Methane facilitates psychedelic experiences is valid or the citation provided relevant; methane is a non toxic asphyxiant and the amount needed to cause significant oxygen deprivation is higher than what can be achieved from huffing from a plastic bottle. -- 84.92.184.12 01:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
While methane and carbon dioxide are known products of the chemical processes involved when sewage is fermented, no information bar speculations exist as to the identity of the psychoactive agent or agents within the compound. However, Methane is biologically inactive and essentially non-toxic [1]. Human feces itself is known to contain several indole alkaloids, and while some well-known psychedelic drugs are in fact indoles, it is not known if any of the indoles present in human feces have psychoactive properties, nor whether these could become part of the gaseous substance that is known as jenkem.
As it stands, the above is original research because it's original synthesis of background information, rather than reporting published theories on what jenkem might be. 86.140.108.192 13:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
References
Council of Conservative Citizens has opened a thread on Jenkem. __ meco 01:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
The above was removed in this edit by User:Chaser with the edit commentary: "clearing out cruft". __ meco 07:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
An alleged confidential alert from a County Sheriff’s Office in Naples, Florida asserts that Jenkem has now gained widespread popularity in American schools (this section's headline being a direct quote from the intercepted letter). I suppose this means imminent big media coverage if the letter is authentic. __ meco 13:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Although not specific, this forum post states that the Jenkem phenomenon has been the topic of US radio mention. __ meco 08:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Made me laugh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.199.45 ( talk) 12:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
(undent)"God" is wholly intangible whereas "recycling" is replicable and observable...and has a set definition. False analogy. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
That means we have entered a specific conceptual model. And the conceptual model "waste management" is as broad as possible and yet it still does not encompass anything that resembles what is done with Jenkem. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
you cannot assert that anything with which these systems do not occupy themselves, is precluded from being considered "recycling." If the terms have set definitions, and we are using logic, then yes, I can. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
You are likewise advocating that the term recycling is "owned" by one limitedly framed paradigm. The paradigm can be whatever it wants to be. It can expand; it can contract. Not only does Jenkem not fit under the broadest possible paradigm that can be verified, but it doesn't even satisfy the most singular definition. I've attacked the premise that "Jenkem is recycling" on both the definitional and paradigmatic flanks, and I need only hold one position to defeat the premise - you need both. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 23:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
During the Vietnam war, viet cong were known to coat Punji sticks with human feces to induce infection in the victim. If you maintain that Jenkem production is recycling, then I expect you to maintain that Punji sticks coated with feces is recycling. The two are nearly perfectly analogous:
Have fun pushing that argument. -- Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 01:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
A known contributor to air pollution is the displacement of petrol fumes when refilling an automobile's fuel tank. If one inhales these fumes to absorb the chemicals for psychoactive effects, is it recycling? According to you, it is. In fact, it is more an act of recycling because the chemical fumes are absorbed into the body, whereas Jenkum production does not dispose of any of the feces and urine used in its creation. --
Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 03:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I absolutely don't mean to open a closed book here, but I'd like to say something: jenkem as a form of recycling is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. It makes sense to me, but, to each - ver own. 76.4.195.53 ( talk) 04:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Looks like you lost in epic fashion, meco. 68.84.6.98 ( talk) 21:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Is this just one great big hoax? I'm highly sceptical. In this day and age it's quite possible for fakery to circulate widely online. And even if someone says "I tried this, it did absolutely nothing", the hoaxers just come back with "well you must have got it wrong". M0ffx 01:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This is a Hoax. Either you guys are in on it or your incredibly gullible http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1105072jenkem1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.20.7.99 ( talk) 15:48, November 6, 2007 (UTC)
Let's look all all the listed references in turn.
Thus, the way I see it, we have only ONE reliable and detailed source, the BBC one. Two if you count the IPS article, I've only seen it second-hand. We have NO reliable sources of its usage in the US. It's quite possibly being tried by members of totse and the like, there is NO evidence it's actually being used 'seriously' as a drug.
Maybe hoax was a bit strong, but the basis for this article is weak. M0ffx 09:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
It isn't a hoax, the kid just didn't want to ruin his reputation, so he claimed to have hoaxed the whole thing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.24.105.172 ( talk) 02:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Holy shit guys, Jenkem is a hoax, it's been established who created it. What more is needed? And people wonder why Wikipedia isn't respected when you have articles about obvious hoaxes. I know this will probably be deleted by someone, but it needs to be said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.76.32 ( talk) 08:09, November 18, 2007 (UTC)
This is all a big joke on the media by totse, only one kid did it, it's not the new drug that's sweeping the nation.
All the photos in those news reports are from that one kid, the conservative media is just eating it up for better ratings.
What happened to wikipedia? Censorship? Truth being trumped by sensationalist media reports? Shameful.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.46.190 ( talk) 05:00, November 7, 2007 (UTC)
Yhea, I heard about it on the chans and on ED about a day after it happened. But it dosen't mean huffing the jenk dosen't make you high/cool/increase streetcred/e-penis/ ect. I feel kinda "unwarrantedly self important". This is the closest I've ever been to the birth any major meme. check out Jenkem.com and the www.myspace.com/jenkem for the new drug thats sweeping our nation. User:Z4ph0d — Preceding undated comment added 18:11, November 9, 2007 (UTC)
The kid that supposedly did this and made a trip report on totse.com later claimed that he actually never did it and that the pictures he took of the substance was fake. He mixed together some beer, water, and nutella to make it look like fecal matter in a jar. I think mention of this "widely cited trip report" should be removed since it is now a confirmed hoax. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GemeniUltra ( talk • contribs) 15:29, November 6, 2007 (UTC)
A discussion thread on forums.officer.com (the Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums) which started on October 12 has the following information:
__ meco 11:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Lots of offensive content in the 4chan screenshot, should be redacted, don't you think? Sbrawner 16:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This is original research and should be removed. Faulty 21:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/Jenkem2.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stageleft ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we need to separate the developing news timeline from what acutally has taken place in 2007, i.e. the TOTSE angle, the Palmetto High parent inquiry which in turn led to the now leaked sheriff's office memo, the response of the DEA and the law enforcement community, the urban legend white papers, news commentaries, commentaries from schoolers and parents, from health and law enforcement officials, etc. With the accelerating momentum of this story this article will otherwise become very unreadable. __ meco 16:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi. wouldn't you agree to remove all the timeline developments from that article to a linked and new page called "Jenkem Update" ? The article would stay with the information about the subject as an encyclopedic article while updates and a timeline can be followed in the new special page. This will provide better readability to the main article while still providing where to follow up. Dao ken 16:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The timing is suspect as it is currently the time period in the USA where the viewership of television stations is sampled to aid in the setting of advertising rates. "Sweeps" normally causes news organizations and programs to produce and air sensational and fantastic stories to temporarily increase audience size. Correlation or causality? OldZeb 00:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I read the Salon article before it was subsequently moved to premium content making only a snippet available to the general non-paying audience. There were several sources listed at the end of the article which I haven't come across in my own investigation of Internet sites detailing Jenkem and the media flurry. Could someone with premium access to Salon please list those sources here? __ meco 03:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Warren Ellis apparently mentioned Jenkem on his blog on August 27, 2007, for which he'd like to be credited. The blog entry is rather scant and missing references. I'll leave this note here for now. __ meco 10:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see some proof that this is a "drug epidemic" and is popular in schools. So far the only mention of it or pictures at all I've heard is a 6 month old thread about a kid trying it one time to tell others on a drug forum what the experience was like. It seems like the media is just trying to scare the population by saying that kids are huffing their own excrement even though there is absolutely no proof whatsoever of widespread use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.46.190 ( talk) 06:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
That's right. The Jenkem phenomenon is a HOAX! I checked it out at Snopes, and apparently, it is a hoax. I hope a bunch of people here feel appropriately dopey after all the work they went to in researching, sourcing, annotating and writing this article.
Michael 00:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Information from Associated Content does not qualify as reliable. It has no editorial oversight, and anyone can publish whatever they want there and call it fact. The AC article can (and probably should) be mentioned in the context of the enterprise-ledger story, but we can't cite any factual information from it in other areas. Most, if not all, of the stuff cited from the AC story can be sourced to more reputable sources, e.g. Nytimes, BBC, etc. Skinwalker 13:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I split the sections based on basic Jenkem information and the latter western hoax/panic/etc. This article ( Jenkem) should focus on Jenkem itself (origin, use, toxicology, etc) and mention the other. The other should focus on the development of the Internet Meme, the resulting panic, the revealing of the hoax, etc and subsequent news coverage. Both have merit being included in WP and should have their own separate pages. spryde | talk 14:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
It is time to condense this into a solidly referenced section instead of a massive timeline seeing as the rest of the community does not want the full timeline in there. My suggestion would be the lead paragraph with proper references + flyer image. Drop the "First Media Reports" and leave it be. Any objections to this? spryde | talk 19:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Recent major overhauls/purges have taken place in a very rash manner and without the appropriate consideration for the fact that this is a cooperative effort. If some editors are of the opinion that the entire timeline documentation of the current media surge should be wiped, that is not trivial and uncontroversial, so please allow for a proper discussion to take place before simply making such drastic changes. __ meco 21:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Well, the information will be retained in the history of this article. In the event that it is needed, we know where it is. I might stash a copy of the moral panic section in my userspace to flesh it out a bit more. spryde | talk 22:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Some see it one way, some see it another way. As I have stated before, even if we have an exhaustive list, I think it should go as it is merely repetitive and does not add anything to the information content of the article. spryde | talk 09:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
These two organizations have headlined and run the story, respectively, on Jenkem. If someone can find links to pages on these organizations' sites about Jenkem (which I haven't been able to find) that would be nice. __ meco 19:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone link the inside edition segment/reporting? That I would really like to see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.211.165 ( talk) 03:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
For all the issues that I feel this article has, the one thing I am sure of is that this is a real thing based on the BBC source. The word "purported" makes this seem like a hoax in its entirety. If anyone else feels different, I am open to discussion. spryde | talk 02:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Please stay close to the sources, as much as possible as to avoid stating opinions as facts, in particular when there are competing opinions. In these cases, attributing an opinion to the source is also needed. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I want to make this a separate point. I think this is a pretty unique perspective which calls for special considerations, the full breadth and depth of which I cannot fully grasp, but I think I grasp some that other editors presently don't. The attitude towards the redacting of this article hinges on whether one perceives this to be a significant angle or not. Could we work towards a consensus on this point? __ meco 17:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
__ meco 22:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I admit it, it's funny but come on this can't be serious. Virus of Profanity ( talk) 20:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
People on the [ Yahoo Jenkem Group] are claiming to have tried it. I emailed one and asked for pictures to confirm that this can even be done. No, I'm not trying it msyelf. Conservationist2012 ( talk) 19:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
This newspaper ran this story on Sunday, Dec. 2, 2007. It is about a guy who has been arrested and charged with possession of a toad with the intent of extracting the hallucinogen bufotenine from its secretions. The story also mentions Jenkem, however, I will simply mention it here while we contemplate how and if this should be integrated in the present article. __ meco 11:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
See definition thereof:
"In U.S. legal context, narcotic refers to opium, opium derivatives, and their semi-synthetic or fully synthetic substitutes "as well as cocaine and coca leaves," which although classified as "narcotics" in the U.S. Controlled Substances Act (CSA), are chemically not narcotics. Contrary to popular belief, marijuana is not a narcotic. Neither are LSD and other psychedelic drugs.[4]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.41.152 ( talk) 05:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
However narcotic can be defined as sleep inducing and yet bay leaf (a non psychoactive substance) is narcotic as i read somewhere Machinexa ( talk) 18:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Template:Hoax is for articles which are themselves fraudulent; Jenkem makes clear that the veracity of much "Jenkem" information and indeed the existence of "Jenkem" itself is controversial. It's right in the lede. As for Template:Fansite I'm not sure how that was intended. The article probably needs general cleanup but it doesn't seem like a "Jenkem fansite" to me and there's no explanation on talk offered. < eleland/ talk edits> 21:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
You have this in the article:
Jenkem is, according to widely reported anecdotal sources as of November 2007, in the process of attaining a foothold among US teenagers
which is untrue. There is NO SOURCE Jenkem is really used by US teenagers. NOONE has ever used it. There is no source and, therefore, no reason to be mentioned as actual drug used in US. If it is OK with the community, I will rewrite it tommorrow, so it will look more .. accurate. -- 89.24.252.9 ( talk) 01:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I have some issues with the use of "dagga." Though the citation is correct, dagga generally refers to a different plant. If anything, dagga is a cannabis substitute. The chart also notes dagga and marijuana as two different drugs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.111.227 ( talk) 15:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
It is also known as Leeroy Jenkems and Butthash —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.63.244 ( talk) 23:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Methane is a well known intoxicant, its effects are unrelated to oxygen deprevation. The ancient Oracle of Delphi was possibly using it as of producing an euphoric state. Why not explore these aspects? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.165.183.69 ( talk) 13:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The following paragraph which I added only yesterday was taken out by another editor:
User:Eleland states in the edit summary, "rm unsourced editorializing (but he had a point, so I'm taking out 'purportedly)". I really would like to have this bit remain, since in my experience a lot of people assert that Jenkem per se is a hoax and are unable to distinguish between the US-confined media hype and the original story which has been corroborated by sources that cannot be described as anything but sober and reliable. If the wording in the above is inappropriate, could it be reworded so that it is acceptable leaving the message to be prominently displayed in the article? __ meco ( talk) 08:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
This is unverified by the Collier County Sheriff's Department, but supposedly the original "letter" was a joke posted on 4chan on September 17th, 2007. Here is the original text.
I am writing you anonymously because I do not want my child to get in any trouble, but I need to alert you to something your students are doing that is potentially very dangerous. Yesterday afternoon I came home early to find my son and his friends getting high on something called "jenkem" which they say they heard about at school. This "jenkem" is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of. They urinate and defecate in plastic bottles and leave them to ferment in the sun, then inhale the resulting gas. I know it sounds unreal but when I came home I found my son and his friends laying on the grass in the backyard and they were acting very strangely. There was a horrible, putrid smell in the air. I can't believe my son would do something like this. I looked it up on the internet and apparently this was something invented by african children that wound up online and now kids all over the world are doing it. My son says most of his friends at school have tried it. This seems to be a new thing and I can't find any information about the health effects of jenkem - I think it is the methane and ammonia content that provides the desired high, but I don't really know. Both of those are very harmful chemicals. All sorts of diseases are spread through fecal matter. I imagine it could lead to some very serious health problems at your school. My wife and I are utterly shocked and talking about private school. We have spoken to our son about this and he says he won't do it anymore, but because it is on the internet kids all over the country are trying jenkem and they need to be educated about the health risks. It is only a matter of time before somebody dies from methane poisoning or this leads to a hepatitis outbreak. I don't know exactly what you could do about this as jenkem is legal but I needed to inform you of what some of your students are doing.
Unconfirmed and doesn't belong in article, but I thought I'd post it here on the talk page for the sake of completion.
In other words, this whole thing is just one big prank.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.100.15 ( talk) 05:57, June 8, 2008 (UTC)
I added a reference to jenkem in the X Files episode "War of the Coprophages" from 1996. It isn't named as jenkem but is feces being distilled into a hallucinogenic drug, and the episode is linked to this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DharmicVision ( talk • contribs) 19:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
An article in a British newspaper indicates that Jenkem use may be included in a coming mockumentary by Ian Welsh. Perhaps we should wait for its release before writing about it in this article. __ meco ( talk) 17:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
It's not METHANE which is active, it's Bufotenine (A schedule 1 drug in the US). I don't know of anyone who's really tried it but the science is there... I can't fix the article however because it's 'protected:" Can someone please update!!!
"Potentially hallucinogenic 5-hydroxytryptamine receptor ligands bufotenine and dimethyltryptamine in blood and tissues" from Scandinavian Journal of Clinical and Laboratory Investigation, Volume 65, Issue 3 April 2005 , pages 189 - 199 Authors: J. Kaumlrkkaumlinen a; T. Forsstroumlm b; J. Tornaeus c; K. Waumlhaumllauml d; P. Kiuru d; A. Honkanen e; U. -H. Stenman f; U. Turpeinen b; A. Hesso ABSTRACT: Bufotenine and N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) are hallucinogenic dimethylated indolethylamines (DMIAs) formed from serotonin and tryptamine by the enzyme indolethylamine N-methyltransferase (INMT) ubiquitously present in non-neural tissues. In mammals, endogenous bufotenine and DMT have been identified only in human urine. The DMIAs bind effectively to 5HT receptors and their administration causes a variety of autonomic effects, which may reflect their actual physiological function. Endogenous levels of bufotenine and DMT in blood and a number of animal and human tissues were determined using highly sensitive and specific quantitative mass spectrometric techniques. A new finding was the detection of large amounts of bufotenine in stools, which may be an indication of its role in intestinal function. It is suggested that fecal and urinary bufotenine originate from epithelial cells of the intestine and the kidney, respectively, although the possibility of their synthesis by intestinal bacteria cannot be excluded. Only small amounts of the DMIAs were found in somatic or neural tissues and none in blood. This can be explained by rapid catabolism of the DMIAs by mitochondrial monoamino-oxidase or by the fact that the dimethylated products of serotonin and tryptamine are not formed in significant amounts in most mammalian tissues despite the widespread presence of INMT in tissues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyterius ( talk • contribs) 11:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
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help)Seriously -- why am I learning about www.about.com in the first few sentences of this article, instead of the fact that the US police department published a report that "Jenkem is now a popular drug in American Schools." ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.213.84.10 ( talk) 17:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't this simply come from kids huffing glue? I come from South Africa, and Genkem (pronounced jenkem!) is a popular brand of glue. -- Slashme ( talk) 17:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Although Jenkem is only once mentioned in this comprehensive article, it might still be interesting as a reference for our article. I'm leaving the URL here if somebody wants to use it. __ meco ( talk) 17:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Jenkem was an internet meme. It was a hoax. Anyone who doubts this has never worked in sanitation, and knows nothing about sewage toxicology. If you want to find out if you can get high sniffing poo, ask one of the thousands of people who work in sewers. In the past 2000 years of recorded history no sanitation worker has ever come forward claiming to have gotten high from sewage exposure.
I'll retract these statements when someone provides a citation documenting unintentional intoxication verified by a witness, not hearsay from "desperate teens willing do anything to get high". Until then the matter is settled.
The toxicology of sewage exposure is exceedingly well documented [4] [5], thousands of professionals devote their careers to this science. If you still suspect that sewage is a hallucinogen, ask a scientist, doctor, or professional sanitation worker. If sewage were a drug, somebody would have noticed it in the 25,000 years before the Usenet was invented, not a few weeks after.
Wikipedia looks naïve for taking this myth half seriously. Worse, cretins reading this article may be tempted to expose themselves to raw sewage, which could result in disease ( Cholera, Hepatitis A) or parasitic infection ( Crypto, Pinworm).
It is possible that intoxication has resulted from exposure to sewage, but in that case the cause would be something unusual in the sewage, not the sewage itself. NOrbeck ( talk) 23:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Sections of this article are written in such a fashion as to imply that Jenkem is a real drug with a real formula. It must be made more clear throughout this article that Jenkem is a hoax and attempts to make it could lead to poisonings and fires - risks that don't even have a reward. At times it sounds like a recipe book. I think the article needs to be more clear - throughout the text - that Jenkem is all a hoax which could be dangerous if taken seriously - after all, we still hear of kids smoking banana peels and catnip. It's easy to imagine this gaining undue popularity as well. Spiral5800 ( talk) 06:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
In The Guardian's article " From street child to college boy" from Nov 21, 2011, jenkem is described as "a powerful solvent that causes severe long-term health problems". However little information this is, we should pay it high attention since the subject of the article is one of those Zambian street children of the original reports that set the jenkem snowball rolling in the first place. This description also adds credibility to the claim made here on the talk page that the alleged drug jenkem is synonymous with a South African brand of glue called Genkem. In any case, this seems an important new piece of information. __ meco ( talk) 16:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Why the picture shows white child using jenkem, why it is known fact that 99% of its users are black people (mostly Africans, also many African-americans in usa)? "Baking soda, I got baking soda!" O.T. Genasis This is racism against white people. Please fix it. If you roll it up and put it in a blunt you get mad blown, cholo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.7.10.144 ( talk) 08:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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This was proved to be a hoax many years ago. Why has the article not be changed to reflect this? Yes, it had news coverage and became an Internet meme, but fermented sewage is not a drug. -- Thoric ( talk) 19:38, 25 May 2018 (UTC)