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According to Zhou & Zhang (2006), Jeholornis is the correct name for the bird known as Shenzhouraptor, since the paper in which it was published is a monthly journal (dated July 25, 2002). Thus, change the title of this article to Jeholornis.
There is no scientific paper suggesting synonymy of Shenzhouraptor with Jeholornis. A paper may reveal the two genera to be distinct.
There is a scientific paper which formally synonymizes Shenzhouraptor with Jeholornis. It is by Zhonghe and Zhang; Zhou Z.-H. & Zhang F.-C. (2006): Mesozoic birds of China - A synoptic review. Vertebrata Palasiatica 44(1): 74-98.
On page 78 they state;
'Two junior synonyms of Jeholornis prima were proposed in the past based on different specimens of Jeholornis. One is Shenzhouraptor (Ji et al. 2002b), published in the same month (July 2002) as Jeholornis, but the Chinese Geological Science Bulletin that published the name is a monthly journal, therefore Jeholornis, which was published in the weekly journal Nature (25 July 2002), according to international nomenclature rule, clearly has the priority."
So, Dinoguy2, since we can't cite ourselves as authorities, I think we have to accept that Jeholornis takes precedent unless you can provide for us a published author who disagrees. Jbrougham ( talk) 19:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you think that Shenzhouraptor and Jeholornis are distinct taxa? A cladistic analysis will show a synonymization of the two taxa to be unjustified. Stephen Czerkas is able to distinguish Jeholornis from Shenzhouraptor by its very small teeth and small size (Shenzhouraptor has no teeth and is three-quarters bigger than Jeholornis).
I looked for the publication date in Ji, Ji, You, Zhang, Yuan, Ji, Li, & Li (2002) and found that the description of Shenzhouraptor was published in November 2002, four months after the publication of the description of Jeholornis. This means that Shenzhouraptor was published later than Jeholornis.
Ji, Q.; Ji, S.; You, H.; Zhang, J.; Yuan, C.; Ji, X.; Li, J. & Li, Y (2002): [Discovery of an avialae bird - Shenzhouraptor sinensis gen. et sp. nov - from China]. Geol. Bull. Chin. 21(7): 363-369 + 2 plates [in Chinese with English abstract]
In the page http://www.fmnh.helsinki.fi/users/haaramo/metazoa/deuterostoma/chordata/archosauria/Urvogels/Avialae.htm, there is a sentence that reads, "Recently found Jeholornis further solidifies this link. It also shows for a first time a dromaeosaur-like stiffed tail on a bird, which further seems to indicate that Greg is right and that deinonychosaurs are non-volant dinobirds!" This sentence means the combination of a dromaeosaurid-like tail with a bird's body indicates that Gregory Paul's theory of post-volant dinosaurs is correct. 72.194.116.63 04:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Vahe Demirjian 20.22 8 March 2007
Therefore dinosaurs, saurichians,theropods and dromaesaurs. And even though I'm convinced all true raptors are more bird than reptile, wiki has all other pages on raptors having them as reptiles. So you don't have to tell me shenzhoraptors were birds becuase I know, it's just if I changed this page to say they're birds, I'd have to change every single other page about raptors on here, I don't have enough waste time. You know, just to save things like this happening, a new class of animal should be invented to put these creatures in, anyway, raptors arn't really birds or reptiles but a cross of the two, how about reptavians?
How do words get in the dictionary anyway? I seriously think we need a word like that to avoid such confusion. Scarlo-hara 14:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
With respect to Jixiangornis, the manuscript by Wang et al. synonymizing Jixiangornis with Jeholornis was taken off the Acta Palaeontologica Polonica website after input from Mickey Mortimer ( http://theropoddatabase.blogspot.com/search?q=jixiangornis), and the specimen discussed in the original, grammatically and taxonomically flawed manuscript (YFGP-yb2) has been named Jeholornis curvipes by Lefevre et al. (2014), who also find Jixiangornis to be a sister taxon of Pygostylia. Therefore, the taxonomy section of the article should be changed to reflect that Jixiangornis is distinct from Jeholornis.
Lefèvre, U., Hu, D., Escuillié, F., Dyke, G. and Godefroit, P. (2014), A new long-tailed basal bird from the Lower Cretaceous of north-eastern China. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 113: 790–804. doi: 10.1111/bij.12343. Extrapolaris ( talk) 22:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
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So I looked at the reference, and indeed it says that Jeholornis weighs as much as a turkey, and checking that height on other sources offering turkey heights, seems to be as tall as one. The problem is that the picture shows a lightweight flier that's about the size of a crow or raven. It is not the height of a passerine or corvid according to that one report, so can someone replace that picture with an accurate one or delete it? If no one else does it I'll do it eventually. Wacape ( talk) 03:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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According to Zhou & Zhang (2006), Jeholornis is the correct name for the bird known as Shenzhouraptor, since the paper in which it was published is a monthly journal (dated July 25, 2002). Thus, change the title of this article to Jeholornis.
There is no scientific paper suggesting synonymy of Shenzhouraptor with Jeholornis. A paper may reveal the two genera to be distinct.
There is a scientific paper which formally synonymizes Shenzhouraptor with Jeholornis. It is by Zhonghe and Zhang; Zhou Z.-H. & Zhang F.-C. (2006): Mesozoic birds of China - A synoptic review. Vertebrata Palasiatica 44(1): 74-98.
On page 78 they state;
'Two junior synonyms of Jeholornis prima were proposed in the past based on different specimens of Jeholornis. One is Shenzhouraptor (Ji et al. 2002b), published in the same month (July 2002) as Jeholornis, but the Chinese Geological Science Bulletin that published the name is a monthly journal, therefore Jeholornis, which was published in the weekly journal Nature (25 July 2002), according to international nomenclature rule, clearly has the priority."
So, Dinoguy2, since we can't cite ourselves as authorities, I think we have to accept that Jeholornis takes precedent unless you can provide for us a published author who disagrees. Jbrougham ( talk) 19:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you think that Shenzhouraptor and Jeholornis are distinct taxa? A cladistic analysis will show a synonymization of the two taxa to be unjustified. Stephen Czerkas is able to distinguish Jeholornis from Shenzhouraptor by its very small teeth and small size (Shenzhouraptor has no teeth and is three-quarters bigger than Jeholornis).
I looked for the publication date in Ji, Ji, You, Zhang, Yuan, Ji, Li, & Li (2002) and found that the description of Shenzhouraptor was published in November 2002, four months after the publication of the description of Jeholornis. This means that Shenzhouraptor was published later than Jeholornis.
Ji, Q.; Ji, S.; You, H.; Zhang, J.; Yuan, C.; Ji, X.; Li, J. & Li, Y (2002): [Discovery of an avialae bird - Shenzhouraptor sinensis gen. et sp. nov - from China]. Geol. Bull. Chin. 21(7): 363-369 + 2 plates [in Chinese with English abstract]
In the page http://www.fmnh.helsinki.fi/users/haaramo/metazoa/deuterostoma/chordata/archosauria/Urvogels/Avialae.htm, there is a sentence that reads, "Recently found Jeholornis further solidifies this link. It also shows for a first time a dromaeosaur-like stiffed tail on a bird, which further seems to indicate that Greg is right and that deinonychosaurs are non-volant dinobirds!" This sentence means the combination of a dromaeosaurid-like tail with a bird's body indicates that Gregory Paul's theory of post-volant dinosaurs is correct. 72.194.116.63 04:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Vahe Demirjian 20.22 8 March 2007
Therefore dinosaurs, saurichians,theropods and dromaesaurs. And even though I'm convinced all true raptors are more bird than reptile, wiki has all other pages on raptors having them as reptiles. So you don't have to tell me shenzhoraptors were birds becuase I know, it's just if I changed this page to say they're birds, I'd have to change every single other page about raptors on here, I don't have enough waste time. You know, just to save things like this happening, a new class of animal should be invented to put these creatures in, anyway, raptors arn't really birds or reptiles but a cross of the two, how about reptavians?
How do words get in the dictionary anyway? I seriously think we need a word like that to avoid such confusion. Scarlo-hara 14:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
With respect to Jixiangornis, the manuscript by Wang et al. synonymizing Jixiangornis with Jeholornis was taken off the Acta Palaeontologica Polonica website after input from Mickey Mortimer ( http://theropoddatabase.blogspot.com/search?q=jixiangornis), and the specimen discussed in the original, grammatically and taxonomically flawed manuscript (YFGP-yb2) has been named Jeholornis curvipes by Lefevre et al. (2014), who also find Jixiangornis to be a sister taxon of Pygostylia. Therefore, the taxonomy section of the article should be changed to reflect that Jixiangornis is distinct from Jeholornis.
Lefèvre, U., Hu, D., Escuillié, F., Dyke, G. and Godefroit, P. (2014), A new long-tailed basal bird from the Lower Cretaceous of north-eastern China. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 113: 790–804. doi: 10.1111/bij.12343. Extrapolaris ( talk) 22:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
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So I looked at the reference, and indeed it says that Jeholornis weighs as much as a turkey, and checking that height on other sources offering turkey heights, seems to be as tall as one. The problem is that the picture shows a lightweight flier that's about the size of a crow or raven. It is not the height of a passerine or corvid according to that one report, so can someone replace that picture with an accurate one or delete it? If no one else does it I'll do it eventually. Wacape ( talk) 03:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)