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Being as they are the same person, and Valen appears as himself for about 10 seconds, a separate article seems frivolous. Phil Sandifer 03:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, is there any subsequent commentary about his leaving B5? JMS's posts on the USENET discussions, as archived by the Lurker's Guide, appear to be the only sourcing for this. Is there anything third party that's appeared, such as reporting or an interview with Michael O'Hare?
Wellspring ( talk) 20:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Additionally, IIRC didn't JMS say that Michael had some other projects he wanted to do at the end of Season 1 and it seemed that JMS could find a way to make the story fit ? I don't remember JMS saying that he wrote himself into a corner.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 06:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
It was here that the Council learned to their profound shock that Sinclair possessed the soul of Valen, a hero of the Minbari who led them to victory 1000 years ago against the Shadows. It was concluded by the Grey Council that Minbari souls were being born into human bodies.
That doesn't fit with my memory. The grey council tested him with the triluminary, that confirmed he was a "child of Valen" and led them to conclude that Minbari souls were being born into human bodies. Wasn't it later confirmed that "scientifically" the triluminary had detected some of Valen's DNA (being that Sinclair = Valen) and this is the reason why. This is further backed up by the plot in Season 4 when Delenn receives a 900 year old note from Sinclair telling her this fantastic story - she was on the Grey council when Sinclair was captured - why would it have been a shock to her ? Kegon ( talk) 08:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure why this article implies that Minbari souls were NOT being born into Human bodies. Ok, so in season 4 we find out that the triluminary detected Valen's DNA in Delenn, but it doesn't explain why it's been said that the Minbari scanned other prisoners at the battle of the line only to find that they too either had whole or partial Minbari souls (Mentioned, I think, in "The Price of Peace" which is the prelude to "To Dream in the City of Sorrows"... which has been deemed canon by JMS, though its events are not mentioned in this article).
While I can't say I like this rather bland interpretation of events, I would think it should have some basis in a statement or clarification by JMS before it's put in the article.( 94.159.164.124 ( talk) 23:21, 11 September 2009 (UTC))
Changed "a Minbari not born of Minbari" to "a Minbari not born of Minbar" since the quote is of the planet/origin of the race Minbari Mementh ( talk) 03:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a silly question, but has it ever been addressed by JMS or others whether Valen could *only* be Sinclair ?
Consider the situation at the Battle Of The Line: essentially the Grey Council pick a random human to study, which just happens to be Sinclair...
What would have happened if - purely by chance - they had picked a different pilot and Sinclair had been killed in the battle ? Would that mean that Valen had - paradoxically - ceased to exist ? Or would *whichever human pilot they randomly selected* eventually go back in time and become Valen ? —Preceding
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Being as they are the same person, and Valen appears as himself for about 10 seconds, a separate article seems frivolous. Phil Sandifer 03:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, is there any subsequent commentary about his leaving B5? JMS's posts on the USENET discussions, as archived by the Lurker's Guide, appear to be the only sourcing for this. Is there anything third party that's appeared, such as reporting or an interview with Michael O'Hare?
Wellspring ( talk) 20:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Additionally, IIRC didn't JMS say that Michael had some other projects he wanted to do at the end of Season 1 and it seemed that JMS could find a way to make the story fit ? I don't remember JMS saying that he wrote himself into a corner.
Kegon (
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Image:B5 sinclair.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 06:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
It was here that the Council learned to their profound shock that Sinclair possessed the soul of Valen, a hero of the Minbari who led them to victory 1000 years ago against the Shadows. It was concluded by the Grey Council that Minbari souls were being born into human bodies.
That doesn't fit with my memory. The grey council tested him with the triluminary, that confirmed he was a "child of Valen" and led them to conclude that Minbari souls were being born into human bodies. Wasn't it later confirmed that "scientifically" the triluminary had detected some of Valen's DNA (being that Sinclair = Valen) and this is the reason why. This is further backed up by the plot in Season 4 when Delenn receives a 900 year old note from Sinclair telling her this fantastic story - she was on the Grey council when Sinclair was captured - why would it have been a shock to her ? Kegon ( talk) 08:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure why this article implies that Minbari souls were NOT being born into Human bodies. Ok, so in season 4 we find out that the triluminary detected Valen's DNA in Delenn, but it doesn't explain why it's been said that the Minbari scanned other prisoners at the battle of the line only to find that they too either had whole or partial Minbari souls (Mentioned, I think, in "The Price of Peace" which is the prelude to "To Dream in the City of Sorrows"... which has been deemed canon by JMS, though its events are not mentioned in this article).
While I can't say I like this rather bland interpretation of events, I would think it should have some basis in a statement or clarification by JMS before it's put in the article.( 94.159.164.124 ( talk) 23:21, 11 September 2009 (UTC))
Changed "a Minbari not born of Minbari" to "a Minbari not born of Minbar" since the quote is of the planet/origin of the race Minbari Mementh ( talk) 03:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a silly question, but has it ever been addressed by JMS or others whether Valen could *only* be Sinclair ?
Consider the situation at the Battle Of The Line: essentially the Grey Council pick a random human to study, which just happens to be Sinclair...
What would have happened if - purely by chance - they had picked a different pilot and Sinclair had been killed in the battle ? Would that mean that Valen had - paradoxically - ceased to exist ? Or would *whichever human pilot they randomly selected* eventually go back in time and become Valen ? —Preceding
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