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In line with the previous comment about his neoliberal credentials: what makes him a neo-Keynesian? Just because he says so? Or calling for aid and debt cancellation? These surely do not. Based on his work, he is definitely a NEOLIBERAL economist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PogiZoli ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
These personal opinions are not suitable for this page. -- Jibal ( talk) 07:38, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Sachs' bio contains the sentence:
A 2019 report authored by Sachs and Mark Weisbrot claimed that a 31% rise in the number of deaths between 2017 and 2018 was due to the sanctions imposed on Venezuela in 2017 ...
It is sourced to an article in the Independent. Within the sentence we have included a note about Weisbrot sourced to other articles. Some comments:
- This is synthesis as a number of sources are being merged to produce an implication that is in none of the sources. The implication is that the description of Weisbrot contained in the note invalidates the report by Sachs and Weisbrot. None of the sources say that. If the note about Weisbrot is relevant to Sachs' bio it needs to be separated from the sentence about the report.
- The content of the note is in Weisbrot's wiki, to which we have provided a link. Why would we need to include it again here? Burrobert ( talk) 11:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The report's findings and methodology were described as invalid by the Brookings Institution. They stated that "the bulk of the deterioration in living standards occurred long before the sanctions were enacted in 2017." [1]BobFromBrockley ( talk) 15:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
References
A few comments on the recent attempts at changing the "Venezula" section:
This article is about Sachs, so what we do report should be concise unless it's clear that references indicate otherwise. -- Hipal ( talk) 18:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Harvard economist Ricardo Hausmann, Juan Guaidó's representative to the Inter-American Development Bank". This is synthesis, like Weisbrot's description below, and even worse considering it is included into the main body and not a footnote. Furthermore, the reference does not make any mention of Hausmann's report ( [1]), and the description is outdated since he resigned from the position shortly after his appointment. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 15:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I have to askI've answered the question many times now, and the onus is on those claiming it is reliable.
doesnt appear reliablesuggest this too. I understand absolutely if the onus lies on me to argue in the case of a change that has undue weight issues, but reliability is another matter. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 14:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Sachs was awarded the 2022 Tang Prize in Sustainable Development for Leading Transdisciplinary Sustainability Science. The citation stated the award was for "leading transdisciplinary sustainability science and creating the multilateral movement for its applications from village to nation and to the world". As reported by the United Nations, the Taipei Times, PR Newswire ... [1] [2] [3] Burrobert ( talk) 18:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
References
Let's try another approach. The following awards and positions are sourced to the awarding bodies:
- In 2007, he was awarded the Padma Bhushan, the third highest civilian honor bestowed by the government of India.
- In 2007, Sachs received the S. Roger Horchow Award for Greatest Public Service by a Private Citizen, an award given out annually by Jefferson Awards
- From 2000 to 2001, Sachs was chairman of the Commission on Macroeconomics and Health
- In 2016, Sachs became president of the Eastern Economic Association, succeeding Janet Currie
- In 2017, Sachs and his wife were the joint recipients of the first World Sustainability Award. Burrobert ( talk) 11:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Greetings everyone! So sorry to bother, but this is my first time ever submitting to a talk page. I read the section regarding Mr. Sachs stance on multiple Covid issues and it quotes him as going on RFK Jr's podcast and comparing a vaccine mandate to the Holocaust. The citation links to an independent article that makes some pretty crazy claims. I just had the distinctly unpleasant experience of listening through that whole podcast and that quote is NOWHERE to be found. I'm not here to cosign that man's views, but unless it was edited after publication, I think this article may be wrong and I cannot find any other sources that support the claim.
Thanks for any help or direction, y'all are seriously some saints in my opinion. 2601:4C0:8005:DF70:8CB0:E759:5343:A42C ( talk) 14:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
I’m pretty sure I figured out what happened. The cited article on October 4th borrowed heavily from a mid-September article in the Daily Beast (and also published at yahoo finance). https://www.thedailybeast.com/lancet-report-claiming-covid-could-have-come-from-us-lab-met-with-uproar?source=articles&via=rss The following sentence appeared in the Daily Beast article:
“The following month, Sachs appeared on a podcast hosted by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has become one of the internet’s leading anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists and caused outrage by comparing vaccine mandates to the Holocaust.”
There was a link in this sentence to an article on Jeffrey Sachs in Politico that made no mention of anything in the sentence and was completely unrelated (the link was a mistake by the Daily Beast reporter). In reading this sentence, the author of the article cited on Wikipedia must have failed to notice the lack of a comma after the word “and,” thus mistakenly assuming it was Sachs who reportedly compared vaccine mandates to the Holocaust. I am removing the offending sentence. Thanks for keeping the reporters honest! 😊 JustinReilly ( talk) 22:31, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Ie it was actually RFK jr who reportedly made the comparison, NOT Sachs. JustinReilly ( talk) 22:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
I think there's vital information missing from the paragraph about Bolivia:
Bolivia is still the poorest country in South America. 79.167.152.19 ( talk) 19:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
When Sachs began advising Bolivia, it was the poorest country in South America, making it misleading. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 18:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Hipal: - When I published my edit, your later edit summary didn't exist. This is very, very basic Wikipedia tenets here, but you absolutely cannot drop "attack" See alsoes into an article, in the same way you can't just throw "See also: Fascism" into a random modern politician's article. Something like that *must* be referenced and verifiable, period. Sachs doesn't appear to identify as a neocolonialist personally (which isn't surprising because very few people do). If Sachs is attacked as a neocolonialist, that is something to explain in prose along with who is making this claim. I see that you've been on Wikipedia since 2006; it is rather worrying that you are defending an absolute slam-dunk of a "never do this" case. You cannot include unreferenced negative BLP material, and this applies to everything: See also links, categories, navigation templates, etc.
I don't know or care about Sachs well enough to fight for it, but I don't see why you're so opposed to including his work with the WHO as well. UN Commissions aren't super-powerful or anything, but they're a standard bio type thing to discuss - even from a simple primary source link. But maybe you know something I don't here if his involvement was merely pro forma or something. SnowFire ( talk) 04:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
If there's no response, I'll be restoring Neocolonialism. I hope that editors can see that it's not an attack on Sachs, but an area where Sachs work against poverty is recognized and due some weight. -- Hipal ( talk) 18:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Anyone? -- Hipal ( talk) 20:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
In line with the previous comment about his neoliberal credentials: what makes him a neo-Keynesian? Just because he says so? Or calling for aid and debt cancellation? These surely do not. Based on his work, he is definitely a NEOLIBERAL economist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PogiZoli ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
These personal opinions are not suitable for this page. -- Jibal ( talk) 07:38, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Sachs' bio contains the sentence:
A 2019 report authored by Sachs and Mark Weisbrot claimed that a 31% rise in the number of deaths between 2017 and 2018 was due to the sanctions imposed on Venezuela in 2017 ...
It is sourced to an article in the Independent. Within the sentence we have included a note about Weisbrot sourced to other articles. Some comments:
- This is synthesis as a number of sources are being merged to produce an implication that is in none of the sources. The implication is that the description of Weisbrot contained in the note invalidates the report by Sachs and Weisbrot. None of the sources say that. If the note about Weisbrot is relevant to Sachs' bio it needs to be separated from the sentence about the report.
- The content of the note is in Weisbrot's wiki, to which we have provided a link. Why would we need to include it again here? Burrobert ( talk) 11:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The report's findings and methodology were described as invalid by the Brookings Institution. They stated that "the bulk of the deterioration in living standards occurred long before the sanctions were enacted in 2017." [1]BobFromBrockley ( talk) 15:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
References
A few comments on the recent attempts at changing the "Venezula" section:
This article is about Sachs, so what we do report should be concise unless it's clear that references indicate otherwise. -- Hipal ( talk) 18:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Harvard economist Ricardo Hausmann, Juan Guaidó's representative to the Inter-American Development Bank". This is synthesis, like Weisbrot's description below, and even worse considering it is included into the main body and not a footnote. Furthermore, the reference does not make any mention of Hausmann's report ( [1]), and the description is outdated since he resigned from the position shortly after his appointment. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 15:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I have to askI've answered the question many times now, and the onus is on those claiming it is reliable.
doesnt appear reliablesuggest this too. I understand absolutely if the onus lies on me to argue in the case of a change that has undue weight issues, but reliability is another matter. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 14:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Sachs was awarded the 2022 Tang Prize in Sustainable Development for Leading Transdisciplinary Sustainability Science. The citation stated the award was for "leading transdisciplinary sustainability science and creating the multilateral movement for its applications from village to nation and to the world". As reported by the United Nations, the Taipei Times, PR Newswire ... [1] [2] [3] Burrobert ( talk) 18:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
References
Let's try another approach. The following awards and positions are sourced to the awarding bodies:
- In 2007, he was awarded the Padma Bhushan, the third highest civilian honor bestowed by the government of India.
- In 2007, Sachs received the S. Roger Horchow Award for Greatest Public Service by a Private Citizen, an award given out annually by Jefferson Awards
- From 2000 to 2001, Sachs was chairman of the Commission on Macroeconomics and Health
- In 2016, Sachs became president of the Eastern Economic Association, succeeding Janet Currie
- In 2017, Sachs and his wife were the joint recipients of the first World Sustainability Award. Burrobert ( talk) 11:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Greetings everyone! So sorry to bother, but this is my first time ever submitting to a talk page. I read the section regarding Mr. Sachs stance on multiple Covid issues and it quotes him as going on RFK Jr's podcast and comparing a vaccine mandate to the Holocaust. The citation links to an independent article that makes some pretty crazy claims. I just had the distinctly unpleasant experience of listening through that whole podcast and that quote is NOWHERE to be found. I'm not here to cosign that man's views, but unless it was edited after publication, I think this article may be wrong and I cannot find any other sources that support the claim.
Thanks for any help or direction, y'all are seriously some saints in my opinion. 2601:4C0:8005:DF70:8CB0:E759:5343:A42C ( talk) 14:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
I’m pretty sure I figured out what happened. The cited article on October 4th borrowed heavily from a mid-September article in the Daily Beast (and also published at yahoo finance). https://www.thedailybeast.com/lancet-report-claiming-covid-could-have-come-from-us-lab-met-with-uproar?source=articles&via=rss The following sentence appeared in the Daily Beast article:
“The following month, Sachs appeared on a podcast hosted by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has become one of the internet’s leading anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists and caused outrage by comparing vaccine mandates to the Holocaust.”
There was a link in this sentence to an article on Jeffrey Sachs in Politico that made no mention of anything in the sentence and was completely unrelated (the link was a mistake by the Daily Beast reporter). In reading this sentence, the author of the article cited on Wikipedia must have failed to notice the lack of a comma after the word “and,” thus mistakenly assuming it was Sachs who reportedly compared vaccine mandates to the Holocaust. I am removing the offending sentence. Thanks for keeping the reporters honest! 😊 JustinReilly ( talk) 22:31, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Ie it was actually RFK jr who reportedly made the comparison, NOT Sachs. JustinReilly ( talk) 22:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
I think there's vital information missing from the paragraph about Bolivia:
Bolivia is still the poorest country in South America. 79.167.152.19 ( talk) 19:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
When Sachs began advising Bolivia, it was the poorest country in South America, making it misleading. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 18:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Hipal: - When I published my edit, your later edit summary didn't exist. This is very, very basic Wikipedia tenets here, but you absolutely cannot drop "attack" See alsoes into an article, in the same way you can't just throw "See also: Fascism" into a random modern politician's article. Something like that *must* be referenced and verifiable, period. Sachs doesn't appear to identify as a neocolonialist personally (which isn't surprising because very few people do). If Sachs is attacked as a neocolonialist, that is something to explain in prose along with who is making this claim. I see that you've been on Wikipedia since 2006; it is rather worrying that you are defending an absolute slam-dunk of a "never do this" case. You cannot include unreferenced negative BLP material, and this applies to everything: See also links, categories, navigation templates, etc.
I don't know or care about Sachs well enough to fight for it, but I don't see why you're so opposed to including his work with the WHO as well. UN Commissions aren't super-powerful or anything, but they're a standard bio type thing to discuss - even from a simple primary source link. But maybe you know something I don't here if his involvement was merely pro forma or something. SnowFire ( talk) 04:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
If there's no response, I'll be restoring Neocolonialism. I hope that editors can see that it's not an attack on Sachs, but an area where Sachs work against poverty is recognized and due some weight. -- Hipal ( talk) 18:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Anyone? -- Hipal ( talk) 20:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)