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I removed the description of the Exile as a silent protagonist. This is the first sentence of the Silent Protagonist page on wikipedia:
"A silent protagonist is a central character who does not verbally interact with other characters within a story's narrative"
During the course of the game the Exile verbally interacts with almost every other character in the game.
Lower down the same page it is stated that the Silent Protagonist in a game "does not have lines of text on screen" and "does not have scripted character dialog."
The Exile could not possibly fit this description less. Evilrodhull 14:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
In one part of the article it states that despite being referenced as a male, the Exile is officially cannonized as a female, but then in the template it explains that cannonically the Exile is male. Can we get some citations on these statements? Thanks. 71.225.125.176 20:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
if the exile is female then why is she refered to as "he" during the trailer for the game and the game itself? "If he joins us on the path to darkness... those who fight along side him will follow."
--^^^I agree with the above sentiments...it is also confusing that Brianna (Handmaiden) is considered to be the Jedi who rebuilt the order after the Exile leaves known space to search for Revan. However, she only does this if the Exile is male and she has joined his party. This would suggest that LucasArts has adopted the stance that both Revan and the Exile are canonically male. I understand how this would upset some fans, but I wish we could just recognize what is actually canon and not just make things up, like in the beginning of this article.
I would like to mention this here quoting from a dictionary:
"Traditionally the pronouns he, him, and his have been used as generic or gender-neutral singular pronouns"
so since its conflicting the jedi exile should not be told as a female but rather a neutral as said with the above the pronouns he,him,his and ect should be used in place. (not same as above) honestly it seems for the most part that he is male (as it fits the storyline better such as the handmaiden rebuilding the jedi order etc)i dont really care that much about the exiles gender but the truth is the truth
Didn't George Lucas as well as the game's creators decide the Exile was cannonically female? I'm pretty sure they did. - Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.141.127 ( talk) 00:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Where does it even say that the Exile is female? I've never seen anything. Did George Lucas say that the Exile was a female? I've seen no evidence for it like there is for the Revan as a male. Emperor001 ( talk) 16:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
The new Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide also says that the Exile is female. JoJoTrue ( talk) 23:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow, congrats to the updater of this page. We could make a separate page with info on the female Exile. But this page is great. --Psi edit
I think until we know for sure, we should assume the Exile's gender is unknown. Therefore, I separated the endings for male and female, because they are slightly different. There may be a better way to do this, but since the Exile's gender is still up in the air, it's not very fair to state "he" in reference to canonical material, even if for the sake of simplism.
Where is the canonical stuff referenced from? -- Yincrash
Does the intro video for game refer to him as he yes it does , i dont know the exact words but also the Droid on dantooine has a video playback recording of Vrook and vandar refering "i caught him in a heated argument" i rest my case.I hope KOTR 3 allows you to choose what happened in the previous ones or allows you to upload your completed save data and follows with what you chose revan/exile to be LS / DS and Male / Female. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.38.140 ( talk • contribs)
From the article:
Wasn't it later revealed through conversations with Kreia that the destruction didn't sever the Exile from the Force, but rather, the Exile severed himself from the Force because of the destruction? He did it because if he didn't, the sheer amount of pain from the destruction rippling through the Force would have killed him, so he cut himself off completely, albeit he did it unknowingly.
I'd rather have someone confirm this than play through the game again. If I'm correct, I'll go ahead and throw in a sentence or two after the above part. -- Sprintabm 23:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
If there isn't an official statement you shouldn't put it in there. Going off of guesses isn't good enough. People think that if it's been stated here then it's official. You're doing nothing more then starting rumors at this point. --Anonymous
Although it is stated that the male choice is canonical, I changed the Exile's gender from male to unknown. After all, Revan is also referred to as male at the corresponding page, but his gender is listed as unknown.
The Storyline clashes in the Game, but there is a net support that the Character is Male. The disciple was going to be the Exile's Padawan (granted this is only revealed in female play...but then it's creepy because he's also a romance interest and more than ten years younger)...The Counsel traditionally assigns same gender apprentices to avoid un-jedi like behavior, since Mical is male, then he'd be assigned to a male. 2. Atris's fall is only truly explained in male play(that makes any coherent sense) That she had feelings for him and felt torn between those feelings and her need for preservation of all things Jedi.... she didn't support the Going to war against the counsel's wishes plan.... Then she envies the Exile's choice, researching and chronicling the ways of the Sith in order somehow figure why the Exile was unique From those who went to war. 3. Why would the handmaiden randomly show up on Dantooine to pick up Kreia? wouldn't it make more sense if she was part of the crew and her Feelings for the exile through her into passion that made her disregard caution and then bring Kreia to Telos? 4. George Lucas did not write the contents of the Droid Guide.... so it may as well had used "Jessica girly girl" as the noun, and it still would be arguable. George Lucas did consult the storyline of the game though, so if the storyline supports a certain gender, then that should be considered canon(even though the mission was to keep the game vague in this way, it's a very hard thing to do.... especially on short deadline)
I don't mind a heroine over a hero, but the KOTOR 2 story is Male biased
71.218.132.9
09:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
The Star Wars Droids book lists the Exile as female, making the canon gender for the Exile female. This has no bearing on the game, one still chooses gender for one's own Exile as one wishes. Referring to Atris' fall as only being truly explained by a male is a shallow interpretation. As Atris herself explains, we all have heroes and when we watch them fall, it affects us personally. No need for a male Exile to explain that. The Handmaidens don't need to randomly show up on Dantooine - what makes sense is Kreia summoning them as she sets the pinnacle of her plans in motion; we don't see all of her machinations as they occur, but this is just common sense - that and that Atris was watching the Exile. George Lucas didn't write the Droid Guide - but he did approve it, and that's what makes it canon. I don't feel at all the game is biased toward a male, in fact the Disciple - whom you only get as a female character - lends far more to the depth of the storyline than the Handmaiden does. And no, there's not a "net" support that the Exile is female. There are people unwilling to consider that "their" character can be anything but the gender they chose; that has no bearing on Lucas' choices; and there are many, many people who believe the Exile works better as a female. 170.215.40.57 15:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The holorecords and the accounts of HK-50 tell the story of what happened before the game begins, but this is told in a rather chaotic way, with the records scattered throughout the Peragus facility and the Republic ship "The Harbinger". Here is my account of what happened the way I understand it. If there are any inconsistencies or mistakes please correct me as I go along.
(? days before game starts)
The Jedi Exile is picked up from an unknown location by the Republic ship "Harbinger", which had been diverted from its course to Onderon to deliver the Exile to Telos. This was done on the orders of Admiral Carth Onasi, who wished to learn of Revan's fate in the Unknown Regions. The assassin droid, HK-50, was onboard before this, having sabotaged the Harbinger's previous protocol droid in order to take its place and survey events aboard the Harbinger. After being assigned to watch the Jedi Exile and learning of his Jedi background, HK-50 resolved to capture and deliver the Exile to the Exchange, a criminal organization that was offering a large bounty on Jedi at the time.
On its course to Telos, the Harbinger encountered the stock light freighter "Ebon Hawk" which was being attacked by a Sith warship. T3-M4 and Kreia were onboard the Ebon Hawk at this time, trying to find the Jedi Exile. After receiving an approval from Admiral Carth Onasi to investigate, the Harbinger investigated both the Ebon Hawk and the Sith warship, which was disturbingly devoid of life apart from a heavily scarred human corpse (Darth Sion). In truth, the crew of the warship used stealth generators to hide and sneak aboard the Harbinger as their vessel was investigated. Afterwards, the Harbinger tractored the Ebon Hawk into a small docking bay, while abandoning or destroying the Sith warship. Kreia begins to secretly watch the Jedi Exile from afar.
Some time later, two things begin to occur. First, the Sith assassins hiding aboard the Harbinger begin to systematically murder the crew and disable the ship communications systems, preventing any distress signals being sent. Second, HK-50 disables the Harbinger's engine hoping to use the distraction to smuggle the Jedi Exile off the Harbinger by using the Ebon Hawk to escape. As a precaution, HK-50 drugs the Exile into unconsciousness and hides him in the Harbinger's cargo compartment. When all was ready, the Ebon Hawk launched from the Harbinger, with the Jedi Exile, T3-M4, Kreia and HK-50 onboard. The Harbinger, now taken over by the Sith assassins, fires on the Ebon Hawk, seriously damaging it, but unable to pursue due to HK-50's engine sabotage. The Sith assassins repair communications and the engine afterwards.
T3-M4 partially repairs the Ebon Hawk's engine, then pilots the ship to the nearby Peragus mining facility to be fully repaired. At this time, the Exile was unconscious and Kreia was in a death-like trance.
(3 days before game starts)
The Peragus fuel mining facility brings the Ebon Hawk in using a tractor beam. T3-M4 goes into standby mode. The Jedi Exile is placed in a kolto tank for recovery while the supposedly dead Kreia is sent to the morgue. HK-50 is interrogated about the Ebon Hawk and its occupants. The Ebon Hawk's cargo is removed and investigated by the Peragus dock officer. HK-50, still wishing to collect the bounty on the Jedi Exile, plots to sabotage the mining facility in order to arrange an escape. To this end, HK-50 sets himself up to help with the Peragus droid maintenance, with the intent to eventually subvert the mining droids' programming. In his stories about the Jedi Exile, HK-50 reveals the Exile's Jedi background to the maintenance officer and several other people, including the administration and medical officer. HK-50 also helps the maintenance officer set up a sonic imprint sensor to issue voice commands to the droids. This would allow HK-50, who has the ability to mimic voices, to issue orders to the droids using the maintenance officers identity.
(2 days before game starts)
Word of the Jedi on the Peragus facility leaks out to the miners. One miner, Coorta, who was already known as a troublemaker, wishes to collect the bounty on the unconscious Jedi Exile from the Exchange. The administration officer forbids this however, as he had already sent a message about the Exile to the Republic for identity confirmation and to get him off the facility before the miners get even more agitated. HK-50 programs the mining droids to cause several "accidents" throughout the facility, inciting the maintenance officer to send all the ming droids to maintenance, allowing HK-50 to subvert them all at once. At this time, HK-50 also programs several droids to repair the Ebon Hawk, in case it is needed as an escape vessel. HK-50 also learns of Coorta's intentions and persuades him to find transport off the Peragus facility, since the Ebon Hawk's navicomputer is locked, usable only by T3-M4. At this time, HK-50 uses the maintenance officer's voice to keep his identity hidden. The mining accidents send several miners to medlab and the morgue. Coorta discusses his plans to collect the bounty on the Jedi Exile to his crew.
(1 day before the game starts)
HK-50 (using the maintenance officer's voice) tells Coorta of his plans to sabotage the facility and that he should be ready. This is overheard by a Sullustan mine foreman, who has tried to warn the administration officer but is silenced by Coorta (whether he was killed or knocked unconscious I do not know, but it does not matter). HK-50 programs the droids to "mine" any organics (any living miner) and any unauthorized droids (droids not of the mining facility). HK-50 causes a "phantom" fuel leak, initiating an emergency lockdown. Miners, except Coorta and his crew, follow safety protocols and retreat to the facility's dormitories, where HK-50 is able to gas them to death by damaging the ventilation systems, creating a build-up of toxic fuel fumes, but not before a crude relay system is set up to send short-distance distress calls beyond the mining facility. Coorta and his crew are killed by droids when they reach the turbolift the administration level - HK-50 had decided they were no longer useful. HK-50 also uses the voice command to send an overdose of sedatives to the medbay kolto tanks, killing the miners inside, but rendering the Jedi Exile unconscious for a longer period. At this time, the Harbinger, still trying to locate the Ebon Hawk, receives the distress signal from the Peragus facility. Deducing that Peragus was a likely hiding place for the Jedi Exile, the Sith pilot the Harbinger to the mining facility. HK-50 continues to wait for the transport Coorta arranged.
Well, this is my version of the story of what happens before the story "Knights of the Old Republic - The Sith Lords" begins. Enjoy! --Chameleon.
Since when is the light side male ending canon?
And what about the male part of it?
that this has suffered the same fate as the Darth Revan page. They all say that light side male is canon, and their proof is a worker who said that over the internet. What they fail to realize is that the only two things that are canon, are the movies and George Lucas. He owns the copywright to Star Wars, no one else does.
You should really read the article on Star Wars canon. -- Cronodude360 22:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
The article states that the Exile was a Padawan who was about to take the trials to become a Knight. I find this curious, however, because Kreia offers the Exile the three Jedi Master/Sith Lord classes, and a Jedi would have to be a knight before they can advance a class. And some of the characters state that the Exile is the only Jedi Knight to come back and face the Council. So, wouldn't the Exile have been a full Knight before and after the Mandalorian Wars? Jedi Striker 27 May 2006 00:03AM (UTC)
OK, fair enough. But where in the game specifically does it mention that the Exile is a Padawan? -- Jedi Striker 30 May 2006 21:23PM (UTC)
The Disciple notes when the Exile turns him into a Jedi that before the Mandalorian War the Exile was to be his Master; this would seem to negate any possibility that the Exile was a mere Padawan when she left for the Wars.
Well I am not sure of the whole padawan or knight thing but I do see it possible she was padawn nearing the trials and gaining knighthood before she left for the war but I personally say she was a knight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.220.189 ( talk • contribs)
See Wookieepedia:Talk:Jedi_Exile#Exile_confirmed_as_female. - Sikon 05:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Who else thinks it's horrible? Plus it's a GIF. - Sikon 06:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please change the image to LSF because that's canon?
I don't feel like getting into a revert war with you, Sikon, but I'd like to point out that Wikipedia:External links#"External links" vs "External link" notes there isn't a consensus on it. Personally, I think its pretty stupid for it to say "links" when there is only a single link, and there are plenty of articles that follow the convention, contrary to your claim. *shrug* EVula 15:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm still not liking the Exile being female (cuz I am a guy), but I'll go with it for now. I do have one problem. Does the Exile become a true Jedi after Kreia's death? Some of what the Jedi Masters said at Dantooine got me confused. Does the Exile's leeching stop? If anyoen can explain the science, I'd appreciate it. -- Jedi Striker 00:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Has an offical Prestige class been set for the Exile? - Jedi Striker 14:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
...for the "The Exile's Journey" in particular. I'll get to it later if no one else does, I guess. Icewolf34 18:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someone can clear this up for me: isn't the Exile Revan? Or is there not enough evidence to support this? I mean, why else would HK-47 and T3-M4 be present? Clpo13 07:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't Visas refuse to wear the dancer's costume right from the begining? Just wondering because it says in this section that Visas or the Handmaiden will wear it. Darth griz 98 20:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right, Visas won't wear it, but Mira or the Handmaiden will. Kreia also refuses. 170.215.40.57 15:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, a number of users refuse to acknowledge that the Jedi Exile is canonically female and keep editing the article to say otherwise. Would it be possible, perhaps, to protect this article from being vandalized by anonymous users to prevent this? -- clpo13 07:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
THERE IS NO PROOF EXILE IS A FEMALE! WOOKIEPEDIA IS NOT A CREDIBLE SOURCE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.28.129.127 ( talk)
Maybe a scan of these documents that state the gender would settle it. I tried looking at starwars.com's character bank but it seems the directory entries for Revan and the Exile no longer exist there.
If somebody has the proof of the Exile's gender, then put it up here for all to see. Otherwise it would probably be best to avoid gender specifics in the article, and adhere to referencing the character only as 'The Jedi Exile'. TotalTommyTerror 17:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure they do, what I'm saying is find a scan of those pages and place them here for all to see or in the article. That should be sufficient evidence to quell the gender war. TotalTommyTerror 18:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Despite everyone scrambling over the exile's "correct" gender, since no other game, book, or other star wars material has a story that absolutly requires the exile to be female, (the mention of the exile's gender in "New Essential Guide to Droids" is simply a statement, not a story which absoulty requires the exile to be female) I can play through the game with a male exile and say that in my mind, that can be the canon story. BassxForte 18:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Too bad for you then, as I said, it can be like canon since no story absoulty depends on the exile being female. BassxForte 18:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
You avoided my point, no one cares about DV-523, however exeryone goes crazy over the exile's "correct" gender, when I play through the game I can decide it to be a man or a woman and that can be "canon" as far as i'm concerned. BassxForte 19:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
What? no, no, no, I was attempting to take pre-cautions to keep other people from trying to use this page to say the exile is male, I actually has much self-doubt starting this discussion, I felt that it was like foruming. BassxForte 21:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm a guy, and I don't have any problems with female heroes, in-fact, I tend to perfer female heroes because I don't like sterotypes. BassxForte 04:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
All right, I thought the gender issue had been cleared up, but apparently this is one dead horse that's going to keep getting beaten. First off, the consensus on the this talk page seems to be that the gender of the Exile is female. However, The Matrix Prime, among others, keeps making references to some discussion on the Administrator's Noticeboard saying that the article was made gender neutral. I cannot find this discussion anywhere. If such a consensus was made, could someone please link to the actual discussion in question, and not the main page for the noticeboard? It would make life for future editors so much easier if they knew a consensus was made by the administrator's and not just random editors who don't like the Exile as female. -- clpo13 19:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I've started on a rather large rewrite of the whole article in order to clean up some rather horrible grammar and sentence structuring throughout it as well as to make the article a bit less messy with regards to the as-of-yet undecided gender of the Exile. The aim is to, hopefully, remove the in-universe tag at the top of the article. I'm not sure if my edits have made any progress towards that goal, but the parts I edited are (I think) much easier to read. I stopped about 2/3 of the way down the Journey section where it says "In Onderon, the great city of Iziz..." If anyone wants to pick up where I left off in cleaning up and rewriting, that's great. Otherwise, this is just a reminder to myself where I need to finish. -- clpo13 06:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
A recent contribution put the Exile's homeworld as Dantooine based on an in-game conversation where it's revealed the Exile grew up there. But does this really count towards homeworld? I thought a person's homeworld was where they were born not where they were raised. I mean, the Exile would have been raised on Dantooine because of the Academy there. Personally, I think the homeworld should be where the Exile was born, and that has yet to be determined (meaning the bit in the infobox shouldn't be there). But that's just my opinion. -- clpo13 02:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
"The world on which a person originated." So that would mean a birthplace,though someone may argue with this - As Above, So Below 20:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Why has the article been cut down so much? It was much longer some months ago. — Texcarson 22:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I have redirected this stub -- which was reduced to game trivia focusing on minutiae between whether the character is played as male or female -- to the list of Star Wars characters. -- EEMIV ( talk) 14:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
At the ending of KOTOR 2 (being a huge fan completing the first and second of the series) im curious because you learn that the exile and Kreia have a special bond making it so that if one of them are affected the other is also. When you beat Kreia in the final battle in the heart of Malachor v, you have the chance to ask her what happens to your companions futures and then you say at the end its time to rest (she dies) and the cut-scene rolls in with the Ebon Hawk picking up the exile and leaving the planet before it blows up, a result of Bao-Dur's remote carrying out its role in setting off the Mass shield generator holding malachor v together. My question is that shouldn't the exile die when Kreia dies because of the force bond? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.111.48 ( talk) 21:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
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I removed the description of the Exile as a silent protagonist. This is the first sentence of the Silent Protagonist page on wikipedia:
"A silent protagonist is a central character who does not verbally interact with other characters within a story's narrative"
During the course of the game the Exile verbally interacts with almost every other character in the game.
Lower down the same page it is stated that the Silent Protagonist in a game "does not have lines of text on screen" and "does not have scripted character dialog."
The Exile could not possibly fit this description less. Evilrodhull 14:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
In one part of the article it states that despite being referenced as a male, the Exile is officially cannonized as a female, but then in the template it explains that cannonically the Exile is male. Can we get some citations on these statements? Thanks. 71.225.125.176 20:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
if the exile is female then why is she refered to as "he" during the trailer for the game and the game itself? "If he joins us on the path to darkness... those who fight along side him will follow."
--^^^I agree with the above sentiments...it is also confusing that Brianna (Handmaiden) is considered to be the Jedi who rebuilt the order after the Exile leaves known space to search for Revan. However, she only does this if the Exile is male and she has joined his party. This would suggest that LucasArts has adopted the stance that both Revan and the Exile are canonically male. I understand how this would upset some fans, but I wish we could just recognize what is actually canon and not just make things up, like in the beginning of this article.
I would like to mention this here quoting from a dictionary:
"Traditionally the pronouns he, him, and his have been used as generic or gender-neutral singular pronouns"
so since its conflicting the jedi exile should not be told as a female but rather a neutral as said with the above the pronouns he,him,his and ect should be used in place. (not same as above) honestly it seems for the most part that he is male (as it fits the storyline better such as the handmaiden rebuilding the jedi order etc)i dont really care that much about the exiles gender but the truth is the truth
Didn't George Lucas as well as the game's creators decide the Exile was cannonically female? I'm pretty sure they did. - Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.141.127 ( talk) 00:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Where does it even say that the Exile is female? I've never seen anything. Did George Lucas say that the Exile was a female? I've seen no evidence for it like there is for the Revan as a male. Emperor001 ( talk) 16:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
The new Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide also says that the Exile is female. JoJoTrue ( talk) 23:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Wow, congrats to the updater of this page. We could make a separate page with info on the female Exile. But this page is great. --Psi edit
I think until we know for sure, we should assume the Exile's gender is unknown. Therefore, I separated the endings for male and female, because they are slightly different. There may be a better way to do this, but since the Exile's gender is still up in the air, it's not very fair to state "he" in reference to canonical material, even if for the sake of simplism.
Where is the canonical stuff referenced from? -- Yincrash
Does the intro video for game refer to him as he yes it does , i dont know the exact words but also the Droid on dantooine has a video playback recording of Vrook and vandar refering "i caught him in a heated argument" i rest my case.I hope KOTR 3 allows you to choose what happened in the previous ones or allows you to upload your completed save data and follows with what you chose revan/exile to be LS / DS and Male / Female. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.38.140 ( talk • contribs)
From the article:
Wasn't it later revealed through conversations with Kreia that the destruction didn't sever the Exile from the Force, but rather, the Exile severed himself from the Force because of the destruction? He did it because if he didn't, the sheer amount of pain from the destruction rippling through the Force would have killed him, so he cut himself off completely, albeit he did it unknowingly.
I'd rather have someone confirm this than play through the game again. If I'm correct, I'll go ahead and throw in a sentence or two after the above part. -- Sprintabm 23:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
If there isn't an official statement you shouldn't put it in there. Going off of guesses isn't good enough. People think that if it's been stated here then it's official. You're doing nothing more then starting rumors at this point. --Anonymous
Although it is stated that the male choice is canonical, I changed the Exile's gender from male to unknown. After all, Revan is also referred to as male at the corresponding page, but his gender is listed as unknown.
The Storyline clashes in the Game, but there is a net support that the Character is Male. The disciple was going to be the Exile's Padawan (granted this is only revealed in female play...but then it's creepy because he's also a romance interest and more than ten years younger)...The Counsel traditionally assigns same gender apprentices to avoid un-jedi like behavior, since Mical is male, then he'd be assigned to a male. 2. Atris's fall is only truly explained in male play(that makes any coherent sense) That she had feelings for him and felt torn between those feelings and her need for preservation of all things Jedi.... she didn't support the Going to war against the counsel's wishes plan.... Then she envies the Exile's choice, researching and chronicling the ways of the Sith in order somehow figure why the Exile was unique From those who went to war. 3. Why would the handmaiden randomly show up on Dantooine to pick up Kreia? wouldn't it make more sense if she was part of the crew and her Feelings for the exile through her into passion that made her disregard caution and then bring Kreia to Telos? 4. George Lucas did not write the contents of the Droid Guide.... so it may as well had used "Jessica girly girl" as the noun, and it still would be arguable. George Lucas did consult the storyline of the game though, so if the storyline supports a certain gender, then that should be considered canon(even though the mission was to keep the game vague in this way, it's a very hard thing to do.... especially on short deadline)
I don't mind a heroine over a hero, but the KOTOR 2 story is Male biased
71.218.132.9
09:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
The Star Wars Droids book lists the Exile as female, making the canon gender for the Exile female. This has no bearing on the game, one still chooses gender for one's own Exile as one wishes. Referring to Atris' fall as only being truly explained by a male is a shallow interpretation. As Atris herself explains, we all have heroes and when we watch them fall, it affects us personally. No need for a male Exile to explain that. The Handmaidens don't need to randomly show up on Dantooine - what makes sense is Kreia summoning them as she sets the pinnacle of her plans in motion; we don't see all of her machinations as they occur, but this is just common sense - that and that Atris was watching the Exile. George Lucas didn't write the Droid Guide - but he did approve it, and that's what makes it canon. I don't feel at all the game is biased toward a male, in fact the Disciple - whom you only get as a female character - lends far more to the depth of the storyline than the Handmaiden does. And no, there's not a "net" support that the Exile is female. There are people unwilling to consider that "their" character can be anything but the gender they chose; that has no bearing on Lucas' choices; and there are many, many people who believe the Exile works better as a female. 170.215.40.57 15:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The holorecords and the accounts of HK-50 tell the story of what happened before the game begins, but this is told in a rather chaotic way, with the records scattered throughout the Peragus facility and the Republic ship "The Harbinger". Here is my account of what happened the way I understand it. If there are any inconsistencies or mistakes please correct me as I go along.
(? days before game starts)
The Jedi Exile is picked up from an unknown location by the Republic ship "Harbinger", which had been diverted from its course to Onderon to deliver the Exile to Telos. This was done on the orders of Admiral Carth Onasi, who wished to learn of Revan's fate in the Unknown Regions. The assassin droid, HK-50, was onboard before this, having sabotaged the Harbinger's previous protocol droid in order to take its place and survey events aboard the Harbinger. After being assigned to watch the Jedi Exile and learning of his Jedi background, HK-50 resolved to capture and deliver the Exile to the Exchange, a criminal organization that was offering a large bounty on Jedi at the time.
On its course to Telos, the Harbinger encountered the stock light freighter "Ebon Hawk" which was being attacked by a Sith warship. T3-M4 and Kreia were onboard the Ebon Hawk at this time, trying to find the Jedi Exile. After receiving an approval from Admiral Carth Onasi to investigate, the Harbinger investigated both the Ebon Hawk and the Sith warship, which was disturbingly devoid of life apart from a heavily scarred human corpse (Darth Sion). In truth, the crew of the warship used stealth generators to hide and sneak aboard the Harbinger as their vessel was investigated. Afterwards, the Harbinger tractored the Ebon Hawk into a small docking bay, while abandoning or destroying the Sith warship. Kreia begins to secretly watch the Jedi Exile from afar.
Some time later, two things begin to occur. First, the Sith assassins hiding aboard the Harbinger begin to systematically murder the crew and disable the ship communications systems, preventing any distress signals being sent. Second, HK-50 disables the Harbinger's engine hoping to use the distraction to smuggle the Jedi Exile off the Harbinger by using the Ebon Hawk to escape. As a precaution, HK-50 drugs the Exile into unconsciousness and hides him in the Harbinger's cargo compartment. When all was ready, the Ebon Hawk launched from the Harbinger, with the Jedi Exile, T3-M4, Kreia and HK-50 onboard. The Harbinger, now taken over by the Sith assassins, fires on the Ebon Hawk, seriously damaging it, but unable to pursue due to HK-50's engine sabotage. The Sith assassins repair communications and the engine afterwards.
T3-M4 partially repairs the Ebon Hawk's engine, then pilots the ship to the nearby Peragus mining facility to be fully repaired. At this time, the Exile was unconscious and Kreia was in a death-like trance.
(3 days before game starts)
The Peragus fuel mining facility brings the Ebon Hawk in using a tractor beam. T3-M4 goes into standby mode. The Jedi Exile is placed in a kolto tank for recovery while the supposedly dead Kreia is sent to the morgue. HK-50 is interrogated about the Ebon Hawk and its occupants. The Ebon Hawk's cargo is removed and investigated by the Peragus dock officer. HK-50, still wishing to collect the bounty on the Jedi Exile, plots to sabotage the mining facility in order to arrange an escape. To this end, HK-50 sets himself up to help with the Peragus droid maintenance, with the intent to eventually subvert the mining droids' programming. In his stories about the Jedi Exile, HK-50 reveals the Exile's Jedi background to the maintenance officer and several other people, including the administration and medical officer. HK-50 also helps the maintenance officer set up a sonic imprint sensor to issue voice commands to the droids. This would allow HK-50, who has the ability to mimic voices, to issue orders to the droids using the maintenance officers identity.
(2 days before game starts)
Word of the Jedi on the Peragus facility leaks out to the miners. One miner, Coorta, who was already known as a troublemaker, wishes to collect the bounty on the unconscious Jedi Exile from the Exchange. The administration officer forbids this however, as he had already sent a message about the Exile to the Republic for identity confirmation and to get him off the facility before the miners get even more agitated. HK-50 programs the mining droids to cause several "accidents" throughout the facility, inciting the maintenance officer to send all the ming droids to maintenance, allowing HK-50 to subvert them all at once. At this time, HK-50 also programs several droids to repair the Ebon Hawk, in case it is needed as an escape vessel. HK-50 also learns of Coorta's intentions and persuades him to find transport off the Peragus facility, since the Ebon Hawk's navicomputer is locked, usable only by T3-M4. At this time, HK-50 uses the maintenance officer's voice to keep his identity hidden. The mining accidents send several miners to medlab and the morgue. Coorta discusses his plans to collect the bounty on the Jedi Exile to his crew.
(1 day before the game starts)
HK-50 (using the maintenance officer's voice) tells Coorta of his plans to sabotage the facility and that he should be ready. This is overheard by a Sullustan mine foreman, who has tried to warn the administration officer but is silenced by Coorta (whether he was killed or knocked unconscious I do not know, but it does not matter). HK-50 programs the droids to "mine" any organics (any living miner) and any unauthorized droids (droids not of the mining facility). HK-50 causes a "phantom" fuel leak, initiating an emergency lockdown. Miners, except Coorta and his crew, follow safety protocols and retreat to the facility's dormitories, where HK-50 is able to gas them to death by damaging the ventilation systems, creating a build-up of toxic fuel fumes, but not before a crude relay system is set up to send short-distance distress calls beyond the mining facility. Coorta and his crew are killed by droids when they reach the turbolift the administration level - HK-50 had decided they were no longer useful. HK-50 also uses the voice command to send an overdose of sedatives to the medbay kolto tanks, killing the miners inside, but rendering the Jedi Exile unconscious for a longer period. At this time, the Harbinger, still trying to locate the Ebon Hawk, receives the distress signal from the Peragus facility. Deducing that Peragus was a likely hiding place for the Jedi Exile, the Sith pilot the Harbinger to the mining facility. HK-50 continues to wait for the transport Coorta arranged.
Well, this is my version of the story of what happens before the story "Knights of the Old Republic - The Sith Lords" begins. Enjoy! --Chameleon.
Since when is the light side male ending canon?
And what about the male part of it?
that this has suffered the same fate as the Darth Revan page. They all say that light side male is canon, and their proof is a worker who said that over the internet. What they fail to realize is that the only two things that are canon, are the movies and George Lucas. He owns the copywright to Star Wars, no one else does.
You should really read the article on Star Wars canon. -- Cronodude360 22:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
The article states that the Exile was a Padawan who was about to take the trials to become a Knight. I find this curious, however, because Kreia offers the Exile the three Jedi Master/Sith Lord classes, and a Jedi would have to be a knight before they can advance a class. And some of the characters state that the Exile is the only Jedi Knight to come back and face the Council. So, wouldn't the Exile have been a full Knight before and after the Mandalorian Wars? Jedi Striker 27 May 2006 00:03AM (UTC)
OK, fair enough. But where in the game specifically does it mention that the Exile is a Padawan? -- Jedi Striker 30 May 2006 21:23PM (UTC)
The Disciple notes when the Exile turns him into a Jedi that before the Mandalorian War the Exile was to be his Master; this would seem to negate any possibility that the Exile was a mere Padawan when she left for the Wars.
Well I am not sure of the whole padawan or knight thing but I do see it possible she was padawn nearing the trials and gaining knighthood before she left for the war but I personally say she was a knight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.220.189 ( talk • contribs)
See Wookieepedia:Talk:Jedi_Exile#Exile_confirmed_as_female. - Sikon 05:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Who else thinks it's horrible? Plus it's a GIF. - Sikon 06:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please change the image to LSF because that's canon?
I don't feel like getting into a revert war with you, Sikon, but I'd like to point out that Wikipedia:External links#"External links" vs "External link" notes there isn't a consensus on it. Personally, I think its pretty stupid for it to say "links" when there is only a single link, and there are plenty of articles that follow the convention, contrary to your claim. *shrug* EVula 15:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm still not liking the Exile being female (cuz I am a guy), but I'll go with it for now. I do have one problem. Does the Exile become a true Jedi after Kreia's death? Some of what the Jedi Masters said at Dantooine got me confused. Does the Exile's leeching stop? If anyoen can explain the science, I'd appreciate it. -- Jedi Striker 00:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Has an offical Prestige class been set for the Exile? - Jedi Striker 14:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
...for the "The Exile's Journey" in particular. I'll get to it later if no one else does, I guess. Icewolf34 18:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someone can clear this up for me: isn't the Exile Revan? Or is there not enough evidence to support this? I mean, why else would HK-47 and T3-M4 be present? Clpo13 07:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't Visas refuse to wear the dancer's costume right from the begining? Just wondering because it says in this section that Visas or the Handmaiden will wear it. Darth griz 98 20:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right, Visas won't wear it, but Mira or the Handmaiden will. Kreia also refuses. 170.215.40.57 15:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, a number of users refuse to acknowledge that the Jedi Exile is canonically female and keep editing the article to say otherwise. Would it be possible, perhaps, to protect this article from being vandalized by anonymous users to prevent this? -- clpo13 07:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
THERE IS NO PROOF EXILE IS A FEMALE! WOOKIEPEDIA IS NOT A CREDIBLE SOURCE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.28.129.127 ( talk)
Maybe a scan of these documents that state the gender would settle it. I tried looking at starwars.com's character bank but it seems the directory entries for Revan and the Exile no longer exist there.
If somebody has the proof of the Exile's gender, then put it up here for all to see. Otherwise it would probably be best to avoid gender specifics in the article, and adhere to referencing the character only as 'The Jedi Exile'. TotalTommyTerror 17:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure they do, what I'm saying is find a scan of those pages and place them here for all to see or in the article. That should be sufficient evidence to quell the gender war. TotalTommyTerror 18:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Despite everyone scrambling over the exile's "correct" gender, since no other game, book, or other star wars material has a story that absolutly requires the exile to be female, (the mention of the exile's gender in "New Essential Guide to Droids" is simply a statement, not a story which absoulty requires the exile to be female) I can play through the game with a male exile and say that in my mind, that can be the canon story. BassxForte 18:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Too bad for you then, as I said, it can be like canon since no story absoulty depends on the exile being female. BassxForte 18:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
You avoided my point, no one cares about DV-523, however exeryone goes crazy over the exile's "correct" gender, when I play through the game I can decide it to be a man or a woman and that can be "canon" as far as i'm concerned. BassxForte 19:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
What? no, no, no, I was attempting to take pre-cautions to keep other people from trying to use this page to say the exile is male, I actually has much self-doubt starting this discussion, I felt that it was like foruming. BassxForte 21:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm a guy, and I don't have any problems with female heroes, in-fact, I tend to perfer female heroes because I don't like sterotypes. BassxForte 04:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
All right, I thought the gender issue had been cleared up, but apparently this is one dead horse that's going to keep getting beaten. First off, the consensus on the this talk page seems to be that the gender of the Exile is female. However, The Matrix Prime, among others, keeps making references to some discussion on the Administrator's Noticeboard saying that the article was made gender neutral. I cannot find this discussion anywhere. If such a consensus was made, could someone please link to the actual discussion in question, and not the main page for the noticeboard? It would make life for future editors so much easier if they knew a consensus was made by the administrator's and not just random editors who don't like the Exile as female. -- clpo13 19:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I've started on a rather large rewrite of the whole article in order to clean up some rather horrible grammar and sentence structuring throughout it as well as to make the article a bit less messy with regards to the as-of-yet undecided gender of the Exile. The aim is to, hopefully, remove the in-universe tag at the top of the article. I'm not sure if my edits have made any progress towards that goal, but the parts I edited are (I think) much easier to read. I stopped about 2/3 of the way down the Journey section where it says "In Onderon, the great city of Iziz..." If anyone wants to pick up where I left off in cleaning up and rewriting, that's great. Otherwise, this is just a reminder to myself where I need to finish. -- clpo13 06:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
A recent contribution put the Exile's homeworld as Dantooine based on an in-game conversation where it's revealed the Exile grew up there. But does this really count towards homeworld? I thought a person's homeworld was where they were born not where they were raised. I mean, the Exile would have been raised on Dantooine because of the Academy there. Personally, I think the homeworld should be where the Exile was born, and that has yet to be determined (meaning the bit in the infobox shouldn't be there). But that's just my opinion. -- clpo13 02:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
"The world on which a person originated." So that would mean a birthplace,though someone may argue with this - As Above, So Below 20:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Why has the article been cut down so much? It was much longer some months ago. — Texcarson 22:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I have redirected this stub -- which was reduced to game trivia focusing on minutiae between whether the character is played as male or female -- to the list of Star Wars characters. -- EEMIV ( talk) 14:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
At the ending of KOTOR 2 (being a huge fan completing the first and second of the series) im curious because you learn that the exile and Kreia have a special bond making it so that if one of them are affected the other is also. When you beat Kreia in the final battle in the heart of Malachor v, you have the chance to ask her what happens to your companions futures and then you say at the end its time to rest (she dies) and the cut-scene rolls in with the Ebon Hawk picking up the exile and leaving the planet before it blows up, a result of Bao-Dur's remote carrying out its role in setting off the Mass shield generator holding malachor v together. My question is that shouldn't the exile die when Kreia dies because of the force bond? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.111.48 ( talk) 21:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)