A news item involving Jean Vanier was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 8 May 2019. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
With regard to the observation below, I should like to suggest that the rule against the expression of points of view can be taken too far. A statement such as, "Tony Blair is considered to be one of the greatest British statesmen of all time" needs a citation since it is such a controversial opinion and one probably held by very few people. A statement such as, "T.S. Eliot is thought to have been one of the most important poets in the English language during the twentieth century" is so widely accepted that it scarcely constitutes a point of view. The same goes for the description of Jean Vanier in the offending old text. Some people need to recognise the difference between abiding by the rules and becoming pettifogging about them.-- AlexanderLondon 18:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
This article has some NPOV issues. It almost seems like a press release in some parts. For example the old text "Considered as one of today’s greatest figures of compassion, Jean Vanier was born in Canada..." contains a Point Of View, but no attribution of who made this claim. Perhaps interested folks could add in some citations from some reliable sources. Eclipsed 00:38, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Further down the page it lists the International awards he has received. But if you can find anyone who wants to say anything bad about him, please feel free to add the quote. Vanier himself would be the first to admit his own brokenness. Andycjp 6th August 2005
It's not about bad or good, it's about creating a better article by neutrality and citations, in accordance with established wikipedia policies. Eclipsed 01:38, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Theres also a highschool named after him in Moose Jaw, Sask. I would edit it but im not as familliar with the suspefics of wikipedia as i could be. Danos 18:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
This article is not being objective WRT points of view. There is no need, and it is not necessarily true to say "at Canada's most highly respected school at Upper Canada College in Toronto" as it has not been cited or confirmed that it is the most highly respected school. And under what category? What kind of school? I think it is a student who wrote this contribution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dukechris ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Pretty small thing to worry about - I would suggest that a way to fix the offending text would be to simply remove the word "most". Certainly UCC has a reputation for being highly respected (perhaps prestigious is a better word) because it has produced more members of government than any single college in canada: It has produced 3 Leftenant Governors, 11 Mayors and Premiers, 15 Members of Parliament, and 9 federal Ministers. And just so you know, I've never been there, nor was I a student. It's just a common point of cultural knowledge (though I admit I didn't already know the numbers of UCC alumni who were members of the government. See the citations on the UCC Wikipedia site for a list of sources who have listed it as the most prestigious school in canada. 64.38.183.220 ( talk) 00:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
This page needs some more biographical information, for example it does not indicate that Jean Vanier was Canadian, though there are many hints throughout the text that he had significant interest in or connection to Canada. There is nothing here except for his connection with L'Arche and his ministery with Light. 64.38.183.220 ( talk) 00:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
It also needs to be cited, who the original writer is, when it was published, where it was published.
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Jean Vanier. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 14:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
The text was vandalized. I removed the added book to restore damaged text; after the restoration, I added again the new book in order by publication date.-- Riccardo Fangarezzi ( talk) 15:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51596516
and
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2020/02/22/internal-report-finds-larche-founder-jean-vanier-engaged-decades-sexual-misconduct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.74.161 ( talk) 13:16, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
What exactly did they do? Put nuns hands on their willies or hard-core satanic BDSM?
Here is one testimony: https://www.avref.fr/testimonial-of-mary-donnelly-regarding-sex-abuse-by-thomas-philippe-o-p.html
- plain vanilla hormonal infatuation, methinks.
Zezen ( talk) 22:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
More perpetrators?
The community said last May that 27 other brothers had also committed abuse. It will further investigate the the founder’s role and decentralise its international network...
https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/12199/brothers-of-saint-john-denounce-sexually-abusive-founder-
Zezen ( talk) 22:38, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
According to the introduction, they use the word “abuse” “in its sense of ‘unjust use of *power of a sexual nature* causing harm to the person who suffers it.’” But they are careful to note that *not all* of the women identified would define their relationships as abusive, and some wouldn’t identify as victims or survivors. They also write that they strongly *assume* there are more women who were abused by Vanier.
It's a report and he hasn't been found or judged or trialed, so it's unfair to claim it authoritatively, giving him a bad name just because he can't defend himself now. Jddcef ( talk) 17:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Now that Vanier's disgrace is known all over the world, have the schools listed in this article changed their names to remove 'Vanier' from their name? Mksword ( talk) 09:08, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
A news item involving Jean Vanier was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 8 May 2019. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
With regard to the observation below, I should like to suggest that the rule against the expression of points of view can be taken too far. A statement such as, "Tony Blair is considered to be one of the greatest British statesmen of all time" needs a citation since it is such a controversial opinion and one probably held by very few people. A statement such as, "T.S. Eliot is thought to have been one of the most important poets in the English language during the twentieth century" is so widely accepted that it scarcely constitutes a point of view. The same goes for the description of Jean Vanier in the offending old text. Some people need to recognise the difference between abiding by the rules and becoming pettifogging about them.-- AlexanderLondon 18:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
This article has some NPOV issues. It almost seems like a press release in some parts. For example the old text "Considered as one of today’s greatest figures of compassion, Jean Vanier was born in Canada..." contains a Point Of View, but no attribution of who made this claim. Perhaps interested folks could add in some citations from some reliable sources. Eclipsed 00:38, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Further down the page it lists the International awards he has received. But if you can find anyone who wants to say anything bad about him, please feel free to add the quote. Vanier himself would be the first to admit his own brokenness. Andycjp 6th August 2005
It's not about bad or good, it's about creating a better article by neutrality and citations, in accordance with established wikipedia policies. Eclipsed 01:38, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Theres also a highschool named after him in Moose Jaw, Sask. I would edit it but im not as familliar with the suspefics of wikipedia as i could be. Danos 18:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
This article is not being objective WRT points of view. There is no need, and it is not necessarily true to say "at Canada's most highly respected school at Upper Canada College in Toronto" as it has not been cited or confirmed that it is the most highly respected school. And under what category? What kind of school? I think it is a student who wrote this contribution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dukechris ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Pretty small thing to worry about - I would suggest that a way to fix the offending text would be to simply remove the word "most". Certainly UCC has a reputation for being highly respected (perhaps prestigious is a better word) because it has produced more members of government than any single college in canada: It has produced 3 Leftenant Governors, 11 Mayors and Premiers, 15 Members of Parliament, and 9 federal Ministers. And just so you know, I've never been there, nor was I a student. It's just a common point of cultural knowledge (though I admit I didn't already know the numbers of UCC alumni who were members of the government. See the citations on the UCC Wikipedia site for a list of sources who have listed it as the most prestigious school in canada. 64.38.183.220 ( talk) 00:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
This page needs some more biographical information, for example it does not indicate that Jean Vanier was Canadian, though there are many hints throughout the text that he had significant interest in or connection to Canada. There is nothing here except for his connection with L'Arche and his ministery with Light. 64.38.183.220 ( talk) 00:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
It also needs to be cited, who the original writer is, when it was published, where it was published.
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Jean Vanier. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 14:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
The text was vandalized. I removed the added book to restore damaged text; after the restoration, I added again the new book in order by publication date.-- Riccardo Fangarezzi ( talk) 15:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51596516
and
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2020/02/22/internal-report-finds-larche-founder-jean-vanier-engaged-decades-sexual-misconduct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.74.161 ( talk) 13:16, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
What exactly did they do? Put nuns hands on their willies or hard-core satanic BDSM?
Here is one testimony: https://www.avref.fr/testimonial-of-mary-donnelly-regarding-sex-abuse-by-thomas-philippe-o-p.html
- plain vanilla hormonal infatuation, methinks.
Zezen ( talk) 22:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
More perpetrators?
The community said last May that 27 other brothers had also committed abuse. It will further investigate the the founder’s role and decentralise its international network...
https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/12199/brothers-of-saint-john-denounce-sexually-abusive-founder-
Zezen ( talk) 22:38, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
According to the introduction, they use the word “abuse” “in its sense of ‘unjust use of *power of a sexual nature* causing harm to the person who suffers it.’” But they are careful to note that *not all* of the women identified would define their relationships as abusive, and some wouldn’t identify as victims or survivors. They also write that they strongly *assume* there are more women who were abused by Vanier.
It's a report and he hasn't been found or judged or trialed, so it's unfair to claim it authoritatively, giving him a bad name just because he can't defend himself now. Jddcef ( talk) 17:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Now that Vanier's disgrace is known all over the world, have the schools listed in this article changed their names to remove 'Vanier' from their name? Mksword ( talk) 09:08, 24 February 2020 (UTC)