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The last part of the article gives its sources and the character biography's source is, of course, the novel. What other sources have to be given? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.216.159.136 ( talk) 19:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I removed Stig Rossen and Alex Gemigniani from the list. First, this was supposed to be about movie adaptations (Colm Wilkinson is ok because of the Dream Cast in Concert-movie) and second, none of these two were ever officially recorded.
I also took Michael Westfall out until this is provable information. Imdb has been listing a 2010-adaptation for Les misérables for some time now, but I still can't find any proof for this. So, whoever put him in there, please provide a reference.
I'm not sure, is a list of singers who sang Valjean a good idea? Or is this getting to lengthy and to detailed? Jonathan Gr ( talk) 13:28, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Could whoever added the bit about Uncle Tom being a possible inspiration for Valjean please give a source? I don't know when the book was translated to France, but even at the time of its original publishing date (1852), large parts of Les Misérables had already been written and the character of Valjean had surely already been planned entirely. 84.167.12.221 ( talk) 20:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the famous 24601 Prisoner Number? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.201.161 ( talk) 13:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I would add this bit as well. I came to the page looking for the number, had to find it in the discussion page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.191.232.71 ( talk) 10:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
His occupation list referred o him as an "Ex-Convict", this is incorrect. Under French law at the time a person convicted of a crime was a convict for life, even after he had served his prison sentence. This is why Valjean had to carry the yellow paper and identify himself to police wherever he went. I'm not sure if "convict" can be considered a profession in any case, but I have left it as such for now. Mediatech492 ( talk) 20:31, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, many more actors than listed here have portrayed Valjean - the French article has a more extensive list; and I think it's weird - or at least parochial (perhaps even petty) - to exclude e.g. Depardieu, Belmondo and above all Jean Gabin from this list. T 85.166.162.64 ( talk) 03:01, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
For some reason, someone has reverted the change of " Roman Catholic" to " Catholic Church" in listing the religious affiliation of the character. Considering that the book was written in French, where Roman Catholic is a generally disused term. There is absolutely no likelihood anyone is going to assume that Valjean was actually a staunch Tractarian, so "Catholic Church"–the presently preferred name on Wikipedia–makes more sense. Additionally, the statement of his religious affiliation is presently unsourced. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 23:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
From the lead of Roman Catholic (term): The term Roman Catholic is used to differentiate the Catholic Church and its members in full communion with the pope in Rome from other Christians who identify as " Catholic". [1] It is also sometimes used to differentiate adherents to the Latin Church and its use of the Roman Rite from Catholics of the Eastern Catholic Churches. It is not the official name preferred by the Holy See or bishops in full communion with the pope as a designation for their faith or institution. [2] [3]
Wikipedia doesn't take sides in the battle between the different branches of the Catholic Church. We shouldn't take the side of the Pope in Rome, who wants a patent on the term "Catholic Church". -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 22:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia doesn't take sides in the battle between the different branches of the Catholic Church.What are you talking about? Are you confused as to what the Latin Church is? Because it seems like you don't quite get that the pope isn't taking sides against the Eastern Catholic Churches–which are part of the Catholic Church (heck, they help chose who the next pope is!). If you're saying that
We shouldn't take sidesand use the term Catholic because the Pope
wants a patent on the term "Catholic Church", you might want to see what article Roman Catholic redirects to. Neither of you are subject-matter experts on ecclesiastical nomenclature but seem insistent on supporting "Roman Catholic" without any source that uses it. Maybe you just want this article just the way you like it, but that's not a good reason. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 04:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Today is 24-6-01. If you missed this day, you need to wait hundred years. XD 182.239.88.243 ( talk) 15:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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The last part of the article gives its sources and the character biography's source is, of course, the novel. What other sources have to be given? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.216.159.136 ( talk) 19:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I removed Stig Rossen and Alex Gemigniani from the list. First, this was supposed to be about movie adaptations (Colm Wilkinson is ok because of the Dream Cast in Concert-movie) and second, none of these two were ever officially recorded.
I also took Michael Westfall out until this is provable information. Imdb has been listing a 2010-adaptation for Les misérables for some time now, but I still can't find any proof for this. So, whoever put him in there, please provide a reference.
I'm not sure, is a list of singers who sang Valjean a good idea? Or is this getting to lengthy and to detailed? Jonathan Gr ( talk) 13:28, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Could whoever added the bit about Uncle Tom being a possible inspiration for Valjean please give a source? I don't know when the book was translated to France, but even at the time of its original publishing date (1852), large parts of Les Misérables had already been written and the character of Valjean had surely already been planned entirely. 84.167.12.221 ( talk) 20:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the famous 24601 Prisoner Number? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.201.161 ( talk) 13:56, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I would add this bit as well. I came to the page looking for the number, had to find it in the discussion page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.191.232.71 ( talk) 10:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
His occupation list referred o him as an "Ex-Convict", this is incorrect. Under French law at the time a person convicted of a crime was a convict for life, even after he had served his prison sentence. This is why Valjean had to carry the yellow paper and identify himself to police wherever he went. I'm not sure if "convict" can be considered a profession in any case, but I have left it as such for now. Mediatech492 ( talk) 20:31, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, many more actors than listed here have portrayed Valjean - the French article has a more extensive list; and I think it's weird - or at least parochial (perhaps even petty) - to exclude e.g. Depardieu, Belmondo and above all Jean Gabin from this list. T 85.166.162.64 ( talk) 03:01, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
For some reason, someone has reverted the change of " Roman Catholic" to " Catholic Church" in listing the religious affiliation of the character. Considering that the book was written in French, where Roman Catholic is a generally disused term. There is absolutely no likelihood anyone is going to assume that Valjean was actually a staunch Tractarian, so "Catholic Church"–the presently preferred name on Wikipedia–makes more sense. Additionally, the statement of his religious affiliation is presently unsourced. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 23:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
From the lead of Roman Catholic (term): The term Roman Catholic is used to differentiate the Catholic Church and its members in full communion with the pope in Rome from other Christians who identify as " Catholic". [1] It is also sometimes used to differentiate adherents to the Latin Church and its use of the Roman Rite from Catholics of the Eastern Catholic Churches. It is not the official name preferred by the Holy See or bishops in full communion with the pope as a designation for their faith or institution. [2] [3]
Wikipedia doesn't take sides in the battle between the different branches of the Catholic Church. We shouldn't take the side of the Pope in Rome, who wants a patent on the term "Catholic Church". -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 22:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia doesn't take sides in the battle between the different branches of the Catholic Church.What are you talking about? Are you confused as to what the Latin Church is? Because it seems like you don't quite get that the pope isn't taking sides against the Eastern Catholic Churches–which are part of the Catholic Church (heck, they help chose who the next pope is!). If you're saying that
We shouldn't take sidesand use the term Catholic because the Pope
wants a patent on the term "Catholic Church", you might want to see what article Roman Catholic redirects to. Neither of you are subject-matter experts on ecclesiastical nomenclature but seem insistent on supporting "Roman Catholic" without any source that uses it. Maybe you just want this article just the way you like it, but that's not a good reason. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 04:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
References
McClintoc71
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
Today is 24-6-01. If you missed this day, you need to wait hundred years. XD 182.239.88.243 ( talk) 15:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)