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Jean Desbouvrie persuaded the government of
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carrier pigeons? |
Perhaps you've found this already, but there is an article about Desbouvrie in Le Magasin pittoresque, vol. 57, Paris 1889. See http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb32810629m/date1889. (You may have to enter the page number, 328.)
It seems to have the same content as the Zoologist report, judging from the article, but it has some correction. Jean had been raising swallows for "almost 40 years", so he's likely to have been born slightly earlier than 1840; the distance between Paris and Roubaix is given as "more than 150 km", and his swallows covered that in 75 minutes. (On a map, the distance is ~180 km.)
Also, there's a low quality picture of Jean's house with the balcony where he trained his birds. Perhaps this can be used in the section "Swallow training". -- Eugène van der Pijll ( talk) 00:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a good lead-up and description of the conception, but not of how they ended. Ray Talk 19:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I will do the GA Review on this article. H1nkles ( talk) 18:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
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You mention robbing nests between his work deliveries, what was his work deliveries? What did he do during his youth? Is there mention in the sources about how he trained these swallows?
the 258 km would make up 160,31 mi . . . with the given 90 minutes of time, this would calculate to a speed of 172 km/h - the article on swallows assign them a speed of 20 m/s or 72 km/h. There seem to be a little inconsistancy.-- Pentaclebreaker ( talk) 10:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
The refs look good, links are good and formatting is ok.
The article is coming along. Images are great, prose is fine. There are some MOS compliance issues that I'd like to see addressed. These are mentioned above. I note that a question about the results of his hangover experiments is listed in the article's talk page. There is no information as to the outcome of these experiments? We don't want OR so it's fine if nothing exists, but that is a glaring question readers are left with at the end of the article. What about his personal life? What about his death? Anything about these topics? Also the aforementioned job he did as a youth that would entail "deliveries". I'd like to see a little more if it's available in order to satisfy the comprehensive criteria. I'll hold the article for a week pending work. H1nkles ( talk) 18:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
The lead does not adequately summarize the article and the first sentence should establish notability. It's very unclear and vague (Was he French? What was his profession? Is this all that is talked about in the article? What does "this work" refer to specifically?) The lead should be rewritten. Hekerui ( talk) 19:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
1. What on earth is an International Backyard Competition ? cf. [ [1]] I am convinced that this is a mistranslation (or even a mistranslation of a mistranslation) but I am perplexed as to the original French
If there's no quick answer I propose to remove the word backyard
viz Honorary diploma of the Roubaix International Backyard Competition of 1889
The French version of this page states Diplôme d'honneur pour son travail sur les Hirondelles.
2. There is a second issue here -
I have not so far been able to find a reference to any Roubaix International Competition or Expo in 1889.
jw (
talk)
16:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
is : Barnyard.
There was an international barnyard competition from Roubaix and desbouvrie received two awards for his work on the swallows
-- JuliusMassius ( talk) 16:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
-- JuliusMassius ( talk) 11:13, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
@JuliusMassius
la médaille du travail c'est : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9daille_d%27honneur_du_travail
On lui offre cette médaille pendant le Concours International de Basse-cour de Roubaix mais c'est l'état qui le donne attribue.
-- JuliusMassius ( talk) 16:17, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
@JuliusMassius - je sais ce qu'est une médaille du travail.
Sur cet article c'est écrit :
https://www.bn-r.fr/notice_alto.php?q=id:115815
Débouvrie a obtenu une médaille de vermeille et un diplôme d'honneur Ce n'est pas une médaille du travail, c'est une erreur de ma part. -- JuliusMassius ( talk) 16:59, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
@JuliusMassius
The French page mentions ' hirondelle ' and ' hirondelle sauvage ', while displaying the image of a hirondelle de fenêtre.
Do we actually know exactly which species of swallow was used by Desbouvrie ?
I ask this because if they were hirondelle de cheminée this would translate as
Swallow Hirundo rustica Linnaeus, 1758 - but if hirondelle de fenêtre then it would be
House Martin Delichon urbicum (Linnaeus, 1758).
Both species would probably have been common in late-19th-century Roubaix.
jw (
talk)
09:28, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello, it would be Southern rough-winged swallow.
https://books.google.fr/books?id=-SGCND13WeYC&pg=PA215&dq=%27Esplanade+des+Invalides+desbouvrie&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIs-W7_6zuAhWSzYUKHY7YDvAQ6AEwBHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q='Esplanade%20des%20Invalides%20desbouvrie&f=false JuliusMassius ( talk) 09:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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Perhaps you've found this already, but there is an article about Desbouvrie in Le Magasin pittoresque, vol. 57, Paris 1889. See http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb32810629m/date1889. (You may have to enter the page number, 328.)
It seems to have the same content as the Zoologist report, judging from the article, but it has some correction. Jean had been raising swallows for "almost 40 years", so he's likely to have been born slightly earlier than 1840; the distance between Paris and Roubaix is given as "more than 150 km", and his swallows covered that in 75 minutes. (On a map, the distance is ~180 km.)
Also, there's a low quality picture of Jean's house with the balcony where he trained his birds. Perhaps this can be used in the section "Swallow training". -- Eugène van der Pijll ( talk) 00:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a good lead-up and description of the conception, but not of how they ended. Ray Talk 19:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I will do the GA Review on this article. H1nkles ( talk) 18:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
When I do an article review I like to provide a Heading-by-Heading breakdown of suggestions for how to make the article better. It is done in good faith as a means to improve the article. It does not necessarily mean that the article is not GA quality, or that the issues listed are keeping it from GA approval. I also undertake minor grammatical and prose edits. After I finish this part of the review I will look at the over arching quality of the article in light of the GA criteria and make my determination as to the overall quality of the article.
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
You mention robbing nests between his work deliveries, what was his work deliveries? What did he do during his youth? Is there mention in the sources about how he trained these swallows?
the 258 km would make up 160,31 mi . . . with the given 90 minutes of time, this would calculate to a speed of 172 km/h - the article on swallows assign them a speed of 20 m/s or 72 km/h. There seem to be a little inconsistancy.-- Pentaclebreaker ( talk) 10:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
The refs look good, links are good and formatting is ok.
The article is coming along. Images are great, prose is fine. There are some MOS compliance issues that I'd like to see addressed. These are mentioned above. I note that a question about the results of his hangover experiments is listed in the article's talk page. There is no information as to the outcome of these experiments? We don't want OR so it's fine if nothing exists, but that is a glaring question readers are left with at the end of the article. What about his personal life? What about his death? Anything about these topics? Also the aforementioned job he did as a youth that would entail "deliveries". I'd like to see a little more if it's available in order to satisfy the comprehensive criteria. I'll hold the article for a week pending work. H1nkles ( talk) 18:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
The lead does not adequately summarize the article and the first sentence should establish notability. It's very unclear and vague (Was he French? What was his profession? Is this all that is talked about in the article? What does "this work" refer to specifically?) The lead should be rewritten. Hekerui ( talk) 19:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
1. What on earth is an International Backyard Competition ? cf. [ [1]] I am convinced that this is a mistranslation (or even a mistranslation of a mistranslation) but I am perplexed as to the original French
If there's no quick answer I propose to remove the word backyard
viz Honorary diploma of the Roubaix International Backyard Competition of 1889
The French version of this page states Diplôme d'honneur pour son travail sur les Hirondelles.
2. There is a second issue here -
I have not so far been able to find a reference to any Roubaix International Competition or Expo in 1889.
jw (
talk)
16:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
is : Barnyard.
There was an international barnyard competition from Roubaix and desbouvrie received two awards for his work on the swallows
-- JuliusMassius ( talk) 16:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
-- JuliusMassius ( talk) 11:13, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
@JuliusMassius
la médaille du travail c'est : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9daille_d%27honneur_du_travail
On lui offre cette médaille pendant le Concours International de Basse-cour de Roubaix mais c'est l'état qui le donne attribue.
-- JuliusMassius ( talk) 16:17, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
@JuliusMassius - je sais ce qu'est une médaille du travail.
Sur cet article c'est écrit :
https://www.bn-r.fr/notice_alto.php?q=id:115815
Débouvrie a obtenu une médaille de vermeille et un diplôme d'honneur Ce n'est pas une médaille du travail, c'est une erreur de ma part. -- JuliusMassius ( talk) 16:59, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
@JuliusMassius
The French page mentions ' hirondelle ' and ' hirondelle sauvage ', while displaying the image of a hirondelle de fenêtre.
Do we actually know exactly which species of swallow was used by Desbouvrie ?
I ask this because if they were hirondelle de cheminée this would translate as
Swallow Hirundo rustica Linnaeus, 1758 - but if hirondelle de fenêtre then it would be
House Martin Delichon urbicum (Linnaeus, 1758).
Both species would probably have been common in late-19th-century Roubaix.
jw (
talk)
09:28, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello, it would be Southern rough-winged swallow.
https://books.google.fr/books?id=-SGCND13WeYC&pg=PA215&dq=%27Esplanade+des+Invalides+desbouvrie&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIs-W7_6zuAhWSzYUKHY7YDvAQ6AEwBHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q='Esplanade%20des%20Invalides%20desbouvrie&f=false JuliusMassius ( talk) 09:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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