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Did you know... that the memoirs of the
eunuch chamberlain Jawdhar are one of the most important sources on the history of the
Fatimid Caliphate in the mid–10th century?
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... that the
eunuch chamberlain Jawdhar was likely responsible for the accession of
al-Mansur Billah as ruler of the
Fatimid Caliphate in 946? Source: "given the murky fate of Qāsim, the Qāʾim’s firstborn and natural successor, the story looks suspiciously like a fabrication to legitimise a palace coup effected by Jawdhar on behalf of his master" (Brett 2017, p. 59)
ALT1:... that the memoirs of the
eunuch chamberlain Jawdhar are one of the most important sources on the history of the
Fatimid Caliphate during the middle of the 10th century? Source: "Die Sita, die Ğauḏar's Sekretär nach dem Tode seines Chefs, gestützt auf dessen Erinerrungen und hinterlassene Papiere verfasste...nach dem Tod al-Mahdis ist die Sirat Ğauḏar unsere wichtigste Quelle" (Halm 1991, p. 249)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
No missing citationsY (I don't suppose the third book in memoirs technically needs a citation, but as the other two are cited you may wish to add one for uniformity).
Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.
Origin and early career
(No suggestion) Jawdhar was a eunuch slave of Slavic origin (Saqaliba): Fascinating how the motivation for having such slaves is basically identical to the Varangian Guard of their perennial allies.
Under al-Mansur
Jawdhar insists in his memoirs that he was the trustee of al-Mansur's secret nomination as his father's heir already at the time of al-Qa'im's own accession in 934, the matter of succession was, theoretically, up entirely to al-Qa'im, and not elected/consulted by others, correct? If so, suggest perhaps changing secret nomination to undisclosed selection, if not, suggest a brief explanation of who else was involved.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A fact from Jawdhar appeared on Wikipedia's
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Did you know... that the memoirs of the
eunuch chamberlain Jawdhar are one of the most important sources on the history of the
Fatimid Caliphate in the mid–10th century?
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
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... that the
eunuch chamberlain Jawdhar was likely responsible for the accession of
al-Mansur Billah as ruler of the
Fatimid Caliphate in 946? Source: "given the murky fate of Qāsim, the Qāʾim’s firstborn and natural successor, the story looks suspiciously like a fabrication to legitimise a palace coup effected by Jawdhar on behalf of his master" (Brett 2017, p. 59)
ALT1:... that the memoirs of the
eunuch chamberlain Jawdhar are one of the most important sources on the history of the
Fatimid Caliphate during the middle of the 10th century? Source: "Die Sita, die Ğauḏar's Sekretär nach dem Tode seines Chefs, gestützt auf dessen Erinerrungen und hinterlassene Papiere verfasste...nach dem Tod al-Mahdis ist die Sirat Ğauḏar unsere wichtigste Quelle" (Halm 1991, p. 249)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
No missing citationsY (I don't suppose the third book in memoirs technically needs a citation, but as the other two are cited you may wish to add one for uniformity).
Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.
Origin and early career
(No suggestion) Jawdhar was a eunuch slave of Slavic origin (Saqaliba): Fascinating how the motivation for having such slaves is basically identical to the Varangian Guard of their perennial allies.
Under al-Mansur
Jawdhar insists in his memoirs that he was the trustee of al-Mansur's secret nomination as his father's heir already at the time of al-Qa'im's own accession in 934, the matter of succession was, theoretically, up entirely to al-Qa'im, and not elected/consulted by others, correct? If so, suggest perhaps changing secret nomination to undisclosed selection, if not, suggest a brief explanation of who else was involved.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.