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We might want to rewrite the seconsd paragraph under "effects": it's a bit self-repeating now. -- Circeus 21:24, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
Although the meterlogical information is Canadian based, should the fact that the storm also affected parts of the States also added? Kanadier 19:13 6 Mar 2005
i recently spoke to a friend who lived in vermont during this time and told me of his expirences. i can't seem to find any accounts of what happened in the u.s. part of the storm. if anyone has any info on this i think it should be included as well. i'll keep looking-- Tainter 21:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I know this is a long time after this short discussion, but... this was one of the major local events of my childhood growing up in the Adirondack Mountains in New York's North Country. There were major impacts from this storm in the Plattsburgh/ Burlington region especially - Clinton, Franklin, Essex, and St. Lawrence counties were especially hard hit. It wasn't as hard and as long as what occurred in Ottawa and Quebec, but it was significant and severe just the same and should definitely be included in the article. And to answer a gripe from below - yes, the US military did offer assistance to Canada. I'm going to see what I can dig up on both fronts. - RPIRED 03:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/btv/events/IceStorm1998/ice98.shtml http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/ice98.pdf http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/icestorm.html http://bangorinfo.com/Focus/focus_ice_storm.html I lived through it & helped forecast it in advance when I was living in VT at the time. Guy1890 ( talk) 06:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I deleted a placeholder Timeline section from the article. There was no real content. If somebody has the start of a timeline, feel free to add it, but please don't clutter up the article with placeholders. (This talk page is a good place for placeholders.) - Cafemusique 11:04, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I agree that the Operation RECUPERATION article should be merged into this. Simply put, Op RECUPERATION was part of the response and as such should be treated within the bulk of a larger context. -- Esseye 09:16, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
If anyone has the names and details of American military operations related to the '98 storm, they should have articles and correspondingly be mentioned within the article... -- Esseye 09:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
The same storm also produced major flooding in the southern US, primarily in the Appalachians from Georgia to West Virginia. Should that also get a strong mention on the page (such as a full section), knowing it killed 12 and caused hundreds of millions in damage? CrazyC83 17:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Since I knew this was comming up, I started early. I moved the article from 1998 Ice Storm to Ice Storm of January 1998 to fit in more with the new styling. Also note Ice Storm of December 2005. I moved some things around and changed man of the categories. I also fixed up some things on the Ice Storm section of Winter storm. Zhatt 20:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm a meteorologist with Environment Canada from Montreal office that lived and forecasted during the Icestorm of '98. I've modified the description of the phenomena and the event setup. Pierre_cb Feb 4th, 2006.
The title of this article, as it stands, is too ambiguous. It would help if there was a location in it (such as, say, North American ice storm of 1998). -- Core des at talk! 00:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
In teh Baltimore region there was also an ice storm at about that date (I was only 8 at the time, but my family has dated photographs of trees in the area from the 8th of Jan 98). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.228.82 ( talk) 13:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :
Additional comments :
A few references: http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-70-258/disasters_tragedies/ice_storm/ http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection/Statcan/16F0021X/16F0021XIB-e.html http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~dominic/storm/stormpics.html http://www.verglas.netc.net/
Lincher 00:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Nice work on the article to bring it to GA status. Keep up the good work, I can see this article has the future to become a FA by an expansion and by finding more references to add material. Good luck with the rest. Lincher 11:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link to a bank of public domain pictures covering the province of Quebec. Images of the 1998 Ice Storm can be found by making a search with "verglas" as keyword. Hugo Dufort 23:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC) http://www.ccdmd.qc.ca/quebec/
Well, I said earlier that I'd wait to discuss moving this again until after the GAC run, so here I am now. I understand the current title is vague, so would there be any objections to Eastern Canada ice storm of 1998 or something similar? Core des at 23:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey all, I believe this line: "which combined with the extreme power outages led to numerous indirect deaths due to carbon monoxide poisoning from generators and other sources as people desperately tried to remain warm.[1]" - which is currently under the 'storm description' title, would be more appropriate under Impacts, as it does not serve as a very good concluding sentence for the storm description. Just a thought.
I think this article needs some reworking. The problems as I see them are that this article is trying to cover the entire storm yet reports only on the issues facing Canada. I understand that Canada was harder hit, but The United States we very hard hit as well, and this artle seems to swich from North American to Canadian without clearly indicating which it's talking about. 65.198.92.73 07:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Just clarified the description of "freezing rain" to make sure it's clear how it works. The old explanation seemed to imply that because things on the ground are so cold, the rain freezes when it touches them. Surface temperatures do play a role, but the rain will only instantaneously freeze if it is supercooled. 206.223.233.185 ( talk) 22:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Have we learned anything new or important about how to handle them? Was Quebec unprepared? Radio Guy ( talk) 18:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
As others have mentioned above, I also wish to see more information on the U.S. impact of this storm. It was an extremely difficult experience for many in the central and northern Kentucky area, as well - I do not have information on fatalities, but can personally attest that many, many people went without electricity or food for days and even longer, myself included, due to exploding electrical transformers and downed power lines from the cold and ice. Since everyone was unable to leave their homes (either from doors and windows being literally frozen shut, or from vehicles being stuck to the ground and immobile), stores within walking distance engaged in price gouging and other such practices. Property and tree damage in the area was extensive, and I'm sure that many other U.S. areas other than those mentioned in the article were similarly affected. I only have my memory to rely on; can anyone find properly sourced information and add it? My internet connection is pretty spotty, but I'll try and help when I can. *Vendetta* (whois talk edits) 05:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The second paragraph of section "Storm description" starts with this sentence, which I cannot parse:
A series of surface low pressure past in this circulation between January 5 and January 10, 1998.
Two problems: I think "past" should be "passed", and there is no noun to go with the adjective phrase "low pressure". I think it would be more grammatical to say
A series of surface low pressure systems passed in this circulation between January 5 and January 10, 1998.
but that still sounds awkward and overly technical. Another take:
A series of surface low pressure systems passed through the area between January 5 and January 10, 1998.
That is much clearer to me, but I do not know if it is technically accurate. If someone with meterological expertise can vet the change, I would be happy to make it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Ward ( talk • contribs) 00:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
We might want to rewrite the seconsd paragraph under "effects": it's a bit self-repeating now. -- Circeus 21:24, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
Although the meterlogical information is Canadian based, should the fact that the storm also affected parts of the States also added? Kanadier 19:13 6 Mar 2005
i recently spoke to a friend who lived in vermont during this time and told me of his expirences. i can't seem to find any accounts of what happened in the u.s. part of the storm. if anyone has any info on this i think it should be included as well. i'll keep looking-- Tainter 21:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I know this is a long time after this short discussion, but... this was one of the major local events of my childhood growing up in the Adirondack Mountains in New York's North Country. There were major impacts from this storm in the Plattsburgh/ Burlington region especially - Clinton, Franklin, Essex, and St. Lawrence counties were especially hard hit. It wasn't as hard and as long as what occurred in Ottawa and Quebec, but it was significant and severe just the same and should definitely be included in the article. And to answer a gripe from below - yes, the US military did offer assistance to Canada. I'm going to see what I can dig up on both fronts. - RPIRED 03:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/btv/events/IceStorm1998/ice98.shtml http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/ice98.pdf http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/icestorm.html http://bangorinfo.com/Focus/focus_ice_storm.html I lived through it & helped forecast it in advance when I was living in VT at the time. Guy1890 ( talk) 06:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I deleted a placeholder Timeline section from the article. There was no real content. If somebody has the start of a timeline, feel free to add it, but please don't clutter up the article with placeholders. (This talk page is a good place for placeholders.) - Cafemusique 11:04, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I agree that the Operation RECUPERATION article should be merged into this. Simply put, Op RECUPERATION was part of the response and as such should be treated within the bulk of a larger context. -- Esseye 09:16, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
If anyone has the names and details of American military operations related to the '98 storm, they should have articles and correspondingly be mentioned within the article... -- Esseye 09:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
The same storm also produced major flooding in the southern US, primarily in the Appalachians from Georgia to West Virginia. Should that also get a strong mention on the page (such as a full section), knowing it killed 12 and caused hundreds of millions in damage? CrazyC83 17:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Since I knew this was comming up, I started early. I moved the article from 1998 Ice Storm to Ice Storm of January 1998 to fit in more with the new styling. Also note Ice Storm of December 2005. I moved some things around and changed man of the categories. I also fixed up some things on the Ice Storm section of Winter storm. Zhatt 20:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm a meteorologist with Environment Canada from Montreal office that lived and forecasted during the Icestorm of '98. I've modified the description of the phenomena and the event setup. Pierre_cb Feb 4th, 2006.
The title of this article, as it stands, is too ambiguous. It would help if there was a location in it (such as, say, North American ice storm of 1998). -- Core des at talk! 00:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
In teh Baltimore region there was also an ice storm at about that date (I was only 8 at the time, but my family has dated photographs of trees in the area from the 8th of Jan 98). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.228.82 ( talk) 13:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :
Additional comments :
A few references: http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-70-258/disasters_tragedies/ice_storm/ http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection/Statcan/16F0021X/16F0021XIB-e.html http://www.physics.mcgill.ca/~dominic/storm/stormpics.html http://www.verglas.netc.net/
Lincher 00:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Nice work on the article to bring it to GA status. Keep up the good work, I can see this article has the future to become a FA by an expansion and by finding more references to add material. Good luck with the rest. Lincher 11:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link to a bank of public domain pictures covering the province of Quebec. Images of the 1998 Ice Storm can be found by making a search with "verglas" as keyword. Hugo Dufort 23:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC) http://www.ccdmd.qc.ca/quebec/
Well, I said earlier that I'd wait to discuss moving this again until after the GAC run, so here I am now. I understand the current title is vague, so would there be any objections to Eastern Canada ice storm of 1998 or something similar? Core des at 23:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey all, I believe this line: "which combined with the extreme power outages led to numerous indirect deaths due to carbon monoxide poisoning from generators and other sources as people desperately tried to remain warm.[1]" - which is currently under the 'storm description' title, would be more appropriate under Impacts, as it does not serve as a very good concluding sentence for the storm description. Just a thought.
I think this article needs some reworking. The problems as I see them are that this article is trying to cover the entire storm yet reports only on the issues facing Canada. I understand that Canada was harder hit, but The United States we very hard hit as well, and this artle seems to swich from North American to Canadian without clearly indicating which it's talking about. 65.198.92.73 07:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Just clarified the description of "freezing rain" to make sure it's clear how it works. The old explanation seemed to imply that because things on the ground are so cold, the rain freezes when it touches them. Surface temperatures do play a role, but the rain will only instantaneously freeze if it is supercooled. 206.223.233.185 ( talk) 22:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Have we learned anything new or important about how to handle them? Was Quebec unprepared? Radio Guy ( talk) 18:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
As others have mentioned above, I also wish to see more information on the U.S. impact of this storm. It was an extremely difficult experience for many in the central and northern Kentucky area, as well - I do not have information on fatalities, but can personally attest that many, many people went without electricity or food for days and even longer, myself included, due to exploding electrical transformers and downed power lines from the cold and ice. Since everyone was unable to leave their homes (either from doors and windows being literally frozen shut, or from vehicles being stuck to the ground and immobile), stores within walking distance engaged in price gouging and other such practices. Property and tree damage in the area was extensive, and I'm sure that many other U.S. areas other than those mentioned in the article were similarly affected. I only have my memory to rely on; can anyone find properly sourced information and add it? My internet connection is pretty spotty, but I'll try and help when I can. *Vendetta* (whois talk edits) 05:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The second paragraph of section "Storm description" starts with this sentence, which I cannot parse:
A series of surface low pressure past in this circulation between January 5 and January 10, 1998.
Two problems: I think "past" should be "passed", and there is no noun to go with the adjective phrase "low pressure". I think it would be more grammatical to say
A series of surface low pressure systems passed in this circulation between January 5 and January 10, 1998.
but that still sounds awkward and overly technical. Another take:
A series of surface low pressure systems passed through the area between January 5 and January 10, 1998.
That is much clearer to me, but I do not know if it is technically accurate. If someone with meterological expertise can vet the change, I would be happy to make it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Ward ( talk • contribs) 00:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)