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There was once a picture of Judge Brown in the article. What happened to it? -- -- Keetoowah 04:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I suggest that the way to handle this article is not to remove the critical information, but to balance that with the opposing point of view. -- BD2412 thimk 20:14, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
66.60.159.190 wrote: restore valid quotes, putting them in a "Criticisms" section. Let's not whitewash her
Sigh..... Newspaper quotes, of an editorial nature, do not belong in an encyclopedia. Rush Limbaugh's views on Karl Marx do not belong in his entry, either.
Only statements like "liberals are critical of J.R.B. and allege x, y, z" are potentially appropriate.
As to me whitewashing her - I have no idea what she did or did not do as judge, or whether she is "extreme" - I only removed inappropriate materials. -- CrzRussian
Does anybody have any idea how the daughter of sharecroppers from Alabama was able to afford Cal State Sacramento? As an out-of-state resident, her tuition would have been pretty high, even back then. Did she get government grants, something she opposes for other people? Rick K 21:08, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
She got a BA when she was 25. The simplest possibility is moving to California so she would not be an out of state student. One year residency, apply based on high school grades, and there you have it. Marriage to a Calif. native would also avoid out of state fees. She also could have worked a few years, gone to a non-Calif. 2-year or 4-year college and THEN applied to the Calif. college. 4.250.27.145 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
From The National Journal, via The Week http://www.theweekmagazine.com/article.asp?id=953
Janice Rogers Brown of the California Supreme Court. A radical libertarian, she once called Social Security a �triumph of our own socialist revolution� and likened the New Deal to the Bolshevik uprising of 1917. Though she�s black, Brown has argued that racial slurs in the workplace are a permissible form of free speech. Libertarian == "wacko" ? Brodo 19:56, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I removed this from the article: "In 2003 she was the lone vote against homosexual co-parent adoption, saying that a homosexual legally adopting the child of their partner 'trivializes family bonds'." If you read her opinion in that case, that's not what she says at all. What she says is that second-parent adoption of a child by someone who has no legal ties to the birth parent trivializes family bonds, and she points out specifically that "every Californian adult has access to such a relationship", via marriage and domestic partnership. - Nat Kraus e 07:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Brown has also surprised some conservatives with traditionally liberal positions on criminal sentencing and freedom of speech. The majority opinion Brown authored in Varian v. Delfino has reinforced California's SLAPP statute. She was the lone justice to contend that a provision in the California Constitution requires drug offenders be given treatment instead of jail time.
Can someone document that conservatives were actually surprised? Or was it instead that liberals who held a certain conception of the conservative viewpoint on freedom of speech were surprised? Theoretically, conservatives do stand for free speech as a first amendment freedom, and I could produce quotes from Ronald Reagan and other conservative leaders that would really surprise some liberals.
Can someone provide a reference to an article that documents some conservatives expressing surprise or disappointment at these Brown decisions? If not, I think perhaps this needs minor revision as unsubstantiated. 199.176.87.2 12:52, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Too many statements of She was this. She was that. She was the other. Looks like a resume. Smooth it out a bit. -- BD2412 talk 21:50, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
I just restored the following information to the article, regarding Brown's appointment to the California Supreme Court:
I don't know why it was removed in the first place - it has been widely reported that she was so rated, and this paragraph counters the potential assertion that the rating was based on her views or her competance. -- BD2412 talk 02:26, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)
This article begins: "Janice Rogers Brown ... is a Judge in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, since June 8, 2005."
Yet United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit#Pending nominations states: "The U.S. Senate confirmed Justice Brown on June 8, 2005, by a 56-43 vote. She received her commission on June 10, 2005. She has not yet been sworn in." (emphasis added)
Which is correct? -- zenohockey 8 July 2005 16:53 (UTC)
Protestant. She was a member of the Rancho Cordova (near Sacramento, CA) Church of Christ, before moving to the D.C. area. [1] Activist ( talk) 02:17, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
References
The following is fully sourced, and the NAACP's opposition to her is significant enough to merit inclusion:
NBGPWS 20:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I restored the NAACP's description of Brown as 'Extreme Right Wing'. Its their words. The wording "one of the oldest and most influential civil rights organizations in the United States" came right out of the Wiki article, and is undisputable as well. Note that although the NAACP opposed the confirmation of John Roberts it did not call him 'Extreme Right Wing':
'CONFIRMATION OF JOHN ROBERTS TO CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT'
Opposed
'CONFIRMATION OF EXTREME RIGHT-WING JUDICIAL NOMINEE JANICE ROGERS BROWN TO THE US COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE D.C. CIRCUIT'
Opposed
It's sourced and should stay.
Speaking as an "extreme right-winger", I really don't see a problem with this being in the article. I did think the source link being to the google cache of the report was a little hinky, so I rewrote a proper cite, and added a footnotes section to the article. NAACP is a notable organization, and their opinion of a judicial nominee is noteworthy, flowery descriptions of the NAACP notwithstanding. I happen to think the NAACP is a shill organization for the ultra left wing of the Democrat party. But that doesn't mean they and their opinion is not noteworthy. Crockspot 20:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Even the staunchest supporters of Brown can't deny that her nomination and confirmation generated significant opposition and controversy. I will add a new section documenting this.
Please detail reasons for excluding any of the following. (links coming later)
Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) "As long as the administration continues to do this [nominate "conservative ideologues"], we will continue to block judges who are outside the mainstream." and "I am disappointed to be here on this nomination. It's almost like this administration is looking for someone who will most antagonize us."
Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA) "Unfortunately, the White House's recent nominees to the D.C. Circuit appear to continue a disturbing pattern of nominating judges who are extreme. Hopefully today the president will get the message that his current approach to nominations is not working."
Save Our Courts "Brown has often been the lone justice to dissent on the California Supreme Court, illustrating that her judicial philosophy is outside the mainstream. Not only does she show an inability to dispassionately review cases, her opinions are based on extremist ideology that ignores judicial precedent, including that set by the U.S. Supreme Court."
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Reverend Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director: "It is unfathomable to me that in 2003 anyone would seriously argue that Alabama, for example, could declare an official state religion. Yet that is the practical effect of Brown's views. That alone should disqualify her from the federal bench."
Congressional Black Caucus "Justice Brown's disdain for legal precedent could not be clearer. In many of her decisions, Justice Brown appears to be a jurist on a right-wing mission.... Justice Brown's record proves that she is unable or unwilling to divorce her personal views from her responsibility to fairly interpret the law and the Constitution. She should not be elevated to a federal court where she could further undermine the rule of law and the attendant legal protections."
NARAL Pro-Choice America "Janice Rogers Brown demonstrated her opposition to a woman's right to privacy when she wrote a caustic dissent to a California Supreme Court's ruling that a California parental consent law with respect to abortion violated the state constitution's right to privacy."
Thanks NBGPWS 22:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I have added the NPOV tag because of this particular paragraph: On June 8, Brown was confirmed as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit by a vote of 56-43. She received her commission on June 10. Although no official announcement of her swearing-in ceremony was made, she began hearing federal cases on September 8, 2005. The NAACP opposed the confirmation of Brown, labeling her "Extreme Right-Wing,"[1] as did the Feminist Majority Foundation, "extreme right-wing,"[2], People For the American Way, "extreme right-wing,"[3] the National Council of Jewish Women, "extreme right-wing"[4] Senator Ted Kennedy, "extreme right-wing,"[5] and the National Organization for Women, "extreme right-wing."[6] There is no need to list of the groups that called Brown "extreme right-wing." The title is conclusionary and it does not explain anything. Also, Brown was confirmed for the Court and she is currently a judge that means that more people voted for her than voted against her. However, based upon this biased, hatchet editing job you would think that she was shot down by the Congress. There is no explanation why she was approved for the court, just a list of fringe political groups that lableled her a certian phrase. The groups ARE fringe because even though ALL of them labeled her a certain thing they failed absolutely miserably in their attempts to keep her off the Court. Also, the repetition of a stupid phrase, meant to put down a strong black woman is not encyclopedic. The phrase does not tell anyone anything about the woman's view or her judicial philosophy or the way that she has written court cases. It is just a negative phrase meant to hold down a strong black woman. Liberals are scared as rabbits that Brown is going to get on the Court so they are choosing to Wikipedia to brand her with a negative phrase early on and hope that it sticks. This is not an encyclopedia entry but a political document.-- Getaway 22:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
No, just becasuse they lost does not make them "fringe groups". And it does not make Janice Rogers Brown "mainstream". It just means that the Republicans are in power, and in my opinion the people who are running the country right now are pretty damn extreme.
Several links to notable sources have been repeatedly labeled "linkspam" and deleted by a single user. "Linkspam" means links to material with no relation to the topic and usually with a commercial or spurious goal; characterizing these links as such is clearly not accurate. Given this fact, and the fact that only one user continues to re-add the links after multiple users have re-added them, the presumption should be that the links are relevant and should stand unless the opposite case is convincingly argued here first, particularly given Wikipedia's interest in not white-washing over relevant, factual information due to controversial nature, and given the well-known record of political figures having partisans whitewash their Wikipedia articles. It is very well-documented in the news that Judge Brown has been of notable interest for advocating particular positions, which need to be referenced if this article is going to be encyclopedic rather than being subservient to a particular political viewpoint. - Reaverdrop ( talk/ nl/ w:s) 15:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
According to the article, Brown "received an LL.M. degree from the University of Virginia School of Law in 2004." That's hard to believe, since by then she had already been on the California Supreme Court for eight years. She was near the pinnacle of her profession and had no need to earn another degree. She also would have been very busy, making it difficult to juggle her career and her school. And let's not forget the fact that there's an entire continent between her chambers in San Francisco and the law school in Charlottesville. Did someone make a mistake about the year? Was the degree honorary (in which case it should not be presented as part of her education, and UVA should be removed from her list of alma maters)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.144.201.12 ( talk) 07:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
No, she actually earned it. See this list published by UVA and this article. Keep in mind the court doesn't have oral argument in July and August, and by 2005, it was already common for lawyers to send large volumes of documents for batch scanning and OCR. It would have been simple for Brown to arrange for briefs in any cases she was working on to be scanned and emailed to her during her two six-week study sessions at UVA, and in any case, her staff attorneys would have been doing most of the heavy lifting of reviewing the lower court record, researching all the case law cited by the parties, and helping her with rough drafts once she had made up her mind generally about how she was going to decide a case. -- Coolcaesar ( talk) 11:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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There was once a picture of Judge Brown in the article. What happened to it? -- -- Keetoowah 04:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I suggest that the way to handle this article is not to remove the critical information, but to balance that with the opposing point of view. -- BD2412 thimk 20:14, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
66.60.159.190 wrote: restore valid quotes, putting them in a "Criticisms" section. Let's not whitewash her
Sigh..... Newspaper quotes, of an editorial nature, do not belong in an encyclopedia. Rush Limbaugh's views on Karl Marx do not belong in his entry, either.
Only statements like "liberals are critical of J.R.B. and allege x, y, z" are potentially appropriate.
As to me whitewashing her - I have no idea what she did or did not do as judge, or whether she is "extreme" - I only removed inappropriate materials. -- CrzRussian
Does anybody have any idea how the daughter of sharecroppers from Alabama was able to afford Cal State Sacramento? As an out-of-state resident, her tuition would have been pretty high, even back then. Did she get government grants, something she opposes for other people? Rick K 21:08, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
She got a BA when she was 25. The simplest possibility is moving to California so she would not be an out of state student. One year residency, apply based on high school grades, and there you have it. Marriage to a Calif. native would also avoid out of state fees. She also could have worked a few years, gone to a non-Calif. 2-year or 4-year college and THEN applied to the Calif. college. 4.250.27.145 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
From The National Journal, via The Week http://www.theweekmagazine.com/article.asp?id=953
Janice Rogers Brown of the California Supreme Court. A radical libertarian, she once called Social Security a �triumph of our own socialist revolution� and likened the New Deal to the Bolshevik uprising of 1917. Though she�s black, Brown has argued that racial slurs in the workplace are a permissible form of free speech. Libertarian == "wacko" ? Brodo 19:56, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I removed this from the article: "In 2003 she was the lone vote against homosexual co-parent adoption, saying that a homosexual legally adopting the child of their partner 'trivializes family bonds'." If you read her opinion in that case, that's not what she says at all. What she says is that second-parent adoption of a child by someone who has no legal ties to the birth parent trivializes family bonds, and she points out specifically that "every Californian adult has access to such a relationship", via marriage and domestic partnership. - Nat Kraus e 07:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Brown has also surprised some conservatives with traditionally liberal positions on criminal sentencing and freedom of speech. The majority opinion Brown authored in Varian v. Delfino has reinforced California's SLAPP statute. She was the lone justice to contend that a provision in the California Constitution requires drug offenders be given treatment instead of jail time.
Can someone document that conservatives were actually surprised? Or was it instead that liberals who held a certain conception of the conservative viewpoint on freedom of speech were surprised? Theoretically, conservatives do stand for free speech as a first amendment freedom, and I could produce quotes from Ronald Reagan and other conservative leaders that would really surprise some liberals.
Can someone provide a reference to an article that documents some conservatives expressing surprise or disappointment at these Brown decisions? If not, I think perhaps this needs minor revision as unsubstantiated. 199.176.87.2 12:52, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Too many statements of She was this. She was that. She was the other. Looks like a resume. Smooth it out a bit. -- BD2412 talk 21:50, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
I just restored the following information to the article, regarding Brown's appointment to the California Supreme Court:
I don't know why it was removed in the first place - it has been widely reported that she was so rated, and this paragraph counters the potential assertion that the rating was based on her views or her competance. -- BD2412 talk 02:26, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)
This article begins: "Janice Rogers Brown ... is a Judge in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, since June 8, 2005."
Yet United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit#Pending nominations states: "The U.S. Senate confirmed Justice Brown on June 8, 2005, by a 56-43 vote. She received her commission on June 10, 2005. She has not yet been sworn in." (emphasis added)
Which is correct? -- zenohockey 8 July 2005 16:53 (UTC)
Protestant. She was a member of the Rancho Cordova (near Sacramento, CA) Church of Christ, before moving to the D.C. area. [1] Activist ( talk) 02:17, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
References
The following is fully sourced, and the NAACP's opposition to her is significant enough to merit inclusion:
NBGPWS 20:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I restored the NAACP's description of Brown as 'Extreme Right Wing'. Its their words. The wording "one of the oldest and most influential civil rights organizations in the United States" came right out of the Wiki article, and is undisputable as well. Note that although the NAACP opposed the confirmation of John Roberts it did not call him 'Extreme Right Wing':
'CONFIRMATION OF JOHN ROBERTS TO CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT'
Opposed
'CONFIRMATION OF EXTREME RIGHT-WING JUDICIAL NOMINEE JANICE ROGERS BROWN TO THE US COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE D.C. CIRCUIT'
Opposed
It's sourced and should stay.
Speaking as an "extreme right-winger", I really don't see a problem with this being in the article. I did think the source link being to the google cache of the report was a little hinky, so I rewrote a proper cite, and added a footnotes section to the article. NAACP is a notable organization, and their opinion of a judicial nominee is noteworthy, flowery descriptions of the NAACP notwithstanding. I happen to think the NAACP is a shill organization for the ultra left wing of the Democrat party. But that doesn't mean they and their opinion is not noteworthy. Crockspot 20:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Even the staunchest supporters of Brown can't deny that her nomination and confirmation generated significant opposition and controversy. I will add a new section documenting this.
Please detail reasons for excluding any of the following. (links coming later)
Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) "As long as the administration continues to do this [nominate "conservative ideologues"], we will continue to block judges who are outside the mainstream." and "I am disappointed to be here on this nomination. It's almost like this administration is looking for someone who will most antagonize us."
Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA) "Unfortunately, the White House's recent nominees to the D.C. Circuit appear to continue a disturbing pattern of nominating judges who are extreme. Hopefully today the president will get the message that his current approach to nominations is not working."
Save Our Courts "Brown has often been the lone justice to dissent on the California Supreme Court, illustrating that her judicial philosophy is outside the mainstream. Not only does she show an inability to dispassionately review cases, her opinions are based on extremist ideology that ignores judicial precedent, including that set by the U.S. Supreme Court."
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Reverend Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director: "It is unfathomable to me that in 2003 anyone would seriously argue that Alabama, for example, could declare an official state religion. Yet that is the practical effect of Brown's views. That alone should disqualify her from the federal bench."
Congressional Black Caucus "Justice Brown's disdain for legal precedent could not be clearer. In many of her decisions, Justice Brown appears to be a jurist on a right-wing mission.... Justice Brown's record proves that she is unable or unwilling to divorce her personal views from her responsibility to fairly interpret the law and the Constitution. She should not be elevated to a federal court where she could further undermine the rule of law and the attendant legal protections."
NARAL Pro-Choice America "Janice Rogers Brown demonstrated her opposition to a woman's right to privacy when she wrote a caustic dissent to a California Supreme Court's ruling that a California parental consent law with respect to abortion violated the state constitution's right to privacy."
Thanks NBGPWS 22:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I have added the NPOV tag because of this particular paragraph: On June 8, Brown was confirmed as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit by a vote of 56-43. She received her commission on June 10. Although no official announcement of her swearing-in ceremony was made, she began hearing federal cases on September 8, 2005. The NAACP opposed the confirmation of Brown, labeling her "Extreme Right-Wing,"[1] as did the Feminist Majority Foundation, "extreme right-wing,"[2], People For the American Way, "extreme right-wing,"[3] the National Council of Jewish Women, "extreme right-wing"[4] Senator Ted Kennedy, "extreme right-wing,"[5] and the National Organization for Women, "extreme right-wing."[6] There is no need to list of the groups that called Brown "extreme right-wing." The title is conclusionary and it does not explain anything. Also, Brown was confirmed for the Court and she is currently a judge that means that more people voted for her than voted against her. However, based upon this biased, hatchet editing job you would think that she was shot down by the Congress. There is no explanation why she was approved for the court, just a list of fringe political groups that lableled her a certian phrase. The groups ARE fringe because even though ALL of them labeled her a certain thing they failed absolutely miserably in their attempts to keep her off the Court. Also, the repetition of a stupid phrase, meant to put down a strong black woman is not encyclopedic. The phrase does not tell anyone anything about the woman's view or her judicial philosophy or the way that she has written court cases. It is just a negative phrase meant to hold down a strong black woman. Liberals are scared as rabbits that Brown is going to get on the Court so they are choosing to Wikipedia to brand her with a negative phrase early on and hope that it sticks. This is not an encyclopedia entry but a political document.-- Getaway 22:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
No, just becasuse they lost does not make them "fringe groups". And it does not make Janice Rogers Brown "mainstream". It just means that the Republicans are in power, and in my opinion the people who are running the country right now are pretty damn extreme.
Several links to notable sources have been repeatedly labeled "linkspam" and deleted by a single user. "Linkspam" means links to material with no relation to the topic and usually with a commercial or spurious goal; characterizing these links as such is clearly not accurate. Given this fact, and the fact that only one user continues to re-add the links after multiple users have re-added them, the presumption should be that the links are relevant and should stand unless the opposite case is convincingly argued here first, particularly given Wikipedia's interest in not white-washing over relevant, factual information due to controversial nature, and given the well-known record of political figures having partisans whitewash their Wikipedia articles. It is very well-documented in the news that Judge Brown has been of notable interest for advocating particular positions, which need to be referenced if this article is going to be encyclopedic rather than being subservient to a particular political viewpoint. - Reaverdrop ( talk/ nl/ w:s) 15:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
According to the article, Brown "received an LL.M. degree from the University of Virginia School of Law in 2004." That's hard to believe, since by then she had already been on the California Supreme Court for eight years. She was near the pinnacle of her profession and had no need to earn another degree. She also would have been very busy, making it difficult to juggle her career and her school. And let's not forget the fact that there's an entire continent between her chambers in San Francisco and the law school in Charlottesville. Did someone make a mistake about the year? Was the degree honorary (in which case it should not be presented as part of her education, and UVA should be removed from her list of alma maters)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.144.201.12 ( talk) 07:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
No, she actually earned it. See this list published by UVA and this article. Keep in mind the court doesn't have oral argument in July and August, and by 2005, it was already common for lawyers to send large volumes of documents for batch scanning and OCR. It would have been simple for Brown to arrange for briefs in any cases she was working on to be scanned and emailed to her during her two six-week study sessions at UVA, and in any case, her staff attorneys would have been doing most of the heavy lifting of reviewing the lower court record, researching all the case law cited by the parties, and helping her with rough drafts once she had made up her mind generally about how she was going to decide a case. -- Coolcaesar ( talk) 11:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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