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With the best will in the world, it is nonsense to suppose other than that Jane Isobel Richard is best known as the wife of the 12th Duke. Her position as duchess is acquired solely and entirely from her marriage, and it is the Duchess that she is best known. The Garden, the LL, the biscuits and marmalade are all secondary to the fact of her being the Duchess. -- Tagishsimon (talk) 19:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, that was yesterday, and the weather could be better today. It may be rash to speak up when there is a duel afoot, but, as a novice to Wikipedia editing, it is, I believe, permissible. Edits were improving this article nicely until Jane Percy's notability otherwise than for her marriage to Ralph Percy, 12th Duke of Northumberland was questioned. The duke may be thought notable for little more than his inheritance, as mentioned at Talk:Ralph Percy, 12th Duke of Northumberland, but there now seems to be some contest about whether the development of the Alnwick estate is mainly due to his entrepreneurship or to hers (or both jointly). Is that a private family or business partnership matter, about which Wikipedia may remain silent, but certainly ought to be non-partisan? And if publicly known let it be simply and neutrally mentioned and duly sourced in both articles. Or is it nothing but a question between Wikipedia editors of these articles? Jane Percy would have some claim to notability for her publicly acknowledged "entrepreneurship" at Alnwick and as Lord Liuetenant. While a single article might suffice in the case of some dukes and their duchesses, here there is enough to say about the duchess to merit separate articles, especially in that some readers are likely to be more interested in the duchess than the duke, and perhaps not interested in the duke at all. Both happen to be of interest to.... Qexigator ( talk) 16:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the sentence "As a child, she helped her mother maintain the family garden called Kailzie at the Scottish border and learned from her how to make a garden pay." as being too close to the source [2]: "...Jane remembers helping in the garden as a small child. She also learnt from her mother about making a garden pay", over repeated protests from Surtsicna, but per Wikipedia:Text_Copyright Violations 101#Partial infringement. -- Tagishsimon (talk) 02:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
While the purpose of articles about living persons is not generally for promoting their commercial operations, it may be acceptable to add something about the archival material which will be of interest to some professional and amateur historians, and about topics which will be of interest to other sections of the reading public as well. Qexigator ( talk) 00:06, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
The purpose of the additional sentence was to mitigate the commercial flavour of the paragraph. Qexigator ( talk) 14:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Please observe, the concern is the other way about: not with "detail" in that sentence (which, given the context, is informative and unobjectionable for the reasons mentioned above), but with the unmitigated commercialism of the paragraph to which it has been added and which stems from Surtsicna 16:04, 6 November 2012. [ [4]] -- Qexigator ( talk) 15:59, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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With the best will in the world, it is nonsense to suppose other than that Jane Isobel Richard is best known as the wife of the 12th Duke. Her position as duchess is acquired solely and entirely from her marriage, and it is the Duchess that she is best known. The Garden, the LL, the biscuits and marmalade are all secondary to the fact of her being the Duchess. -- Tagishsimon (talk) 19:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, that was yesterday, and the weather could be better today. It may be rash to speak up when there is a duel afoot, but, as a novice to Wikipedia editing, it is, I believe, permissible. Edits were improving this article nicely until Jane Percy's notability otherwise than for her marriage to Ralph Percy, 12th Duke of Northumberland was questioned. The duke may be thought notable for little more than his inheritance, as mentioned at Talk:Ralph Percy, 12th Duke of Northumberland, but there now seems to be some contest about whether the development of the Alnwick estate is mainly due to his entrepreneurship or to hers (or both jointly). Is that a private family or business partnership matter, about which Wikipedia may remain silent, but certainly ought to be non-partisan? And if publicly known let it be simply and neutrally mentioned and duly sourced in both articles. Or is it nothing but a question between Wikipedia editors of these articles? Jane Percy would have some claim to notability for her publicly acknowledged "entrepreneurship" at Alnwick and as Lord Liuetenant. While a single article might suffice in the case of some dukes and their duchesses, here there is enough to say about the duchess to merit separate articles, especially in that some readers are likely to be more interested in the duchess than the duke, and perhaps not interested in the duke at all. Both happen to be of interest to.... Qexigator ( talk) 16:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the sentence "As a child, she helped her mother maintain the family garden called Kailzie at the Scottish border and learned from her how to make a garden pay." as being too close to the source [2]: "...Jane remembers helping in the garden as a small child. She also learnt from her mother about making a garden pay", over repeated protests from Surtsicna, but per Wikipedia:Text_Copyright Violations 101#Partial infringement. -- Tagishsimon (talk) 02:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
While the purpose of articles about living persons is not generally for promoting their commercial operations, it may be acceptable to add something about the archival material which will be of interest to some professional and amateur historians, and about topics which will be of interest to other sections of the reading public as well. Qexigator ( talk) 00:06, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
The purpose of the additional sentence was to mitigate the commercial flavour of the paragraph. Qexigator ( talk) 14:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Please observe, the concern is the other way about: not with "detail" in that sentence (which, given the context, is informative and unobjectionable for the reasons mentioned above), but with the unmitigated commercialism of the paragraph to which it has been added and which stems from Surtsicna 16:04, 6 November 2012. [ [4]] -- Qexigator ( talk) 15:59, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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