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Guillou is a weird guy and a left wing eccentric. This article has taken all his eccentricities to the fullest. It sure isn't fair and balanced. It is so obvious that the main writer of the article really cannot stand the guy. I have read most of his books, I my political views lean towards the right, I vote for Moderaterna ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderaterna) but I still think this article paints a too negative image of Guillou.
Decidedly.
Arcsoda ( talk) 11:12, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone know the correct pronunciation of his name? -- Iceager 01:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
The list of books seems to be incomplete.
I would also like to have a thorough description about which books have been translated into other languages.
"Guillou destroyed the character (after reports that Swedish neo-Nazis had taken him as their role model."
I removed this part until someone can verify it, I can't seem to find any Swedish source that agrees, not even the Swedish Wikipedia lists this.
Obli 19:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know what made him listed as a terrorist in the US? I assume it has to do with the IB Affair, but perhaps it's worth mentioning on the page. KDLarsen 01:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
The only -- yes, the only -- purpose with this "article" is to make Guillou appear like an anti-semite, which he isn't and never have been. The connection with Radio Islam is totally irrelevant, just to mention one example of this biased "article".
I am removing the POV banner. It was added in February, much work has been done since then, and the reasons for the banner are a bit vague, yes? The only example given is the Radio Islam. Please be specific in what is the problem here, and reinsert the POV banner, then we get to work on it. mceder ( u t c) 18:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Renamed from "Controversial views" since they are not particularly controversial. HumanR
"Guillou has been accused of anti-semitism and is on record as having complained that the Jewish family of Bonnier is slanting the media towards a pro-Israeli stance." Whoever claims that this is true needs to come up with a reference. HumanR
That Guillou has been accused of anti-semitism is common knowledge. Just like it's well known that he is attacking organizations that combat revisionism in regards to the Holocaust. Regarding his attacks on DN and the Bonnier family for slanting the media, I've read it personally several times in his columns. He has made the slur on the DN as "the smuggest daily" a trade mark of his authorship.
I removed the paragraph about a book about Iraq that Guillou had co-authored in the seventies. This article should have information about the well-known books by Guillou, not some book that no one has heard of and that might exist in the archives of a few libraries in Sweden. That paragraph did not make this article more informative, and was probable only intended to malign Guillou, by something naive he wrote about Iraq 30 years ago, before Saddam Hussein came in power. Battra 01:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the part about his Iraq book since it's only there to smear Mr. Guillou. It's clear that this is malicious misinformation since Saddam Hussein didn't come into power until 1979 while the book was published in 1976. It's disturbing that people use Wikipedia for this type of misinformation and smear campaings. HumanR
I'd like to point out while Guillou's book may not be central for his work it is typical. There are on average at least one factual error per five pages in it, and the fact that they are always on the same side of the argument leaves very little room for the theory that the errors are unintentional. The entire message of the book is to praise Saddam and his rule as enlightened. I find your claim that we shouldn't make the connection since Saddam wasn't in command at the time as spurious at best; Saddam is the leader that is constantly extolled and a idolizing photography of him is included in the book to drive the point home. Most of the world at the time recognized the fact that he was the real power in Baghdad and not the formal President, whom I believe was his uncle (and afraid of him). Equally spurious is the claim that Saddam was an Western ally. In 1972 he signed a friendship and assistance treaty with the Soviet Union, which - together with its allies - was the dominant arms supplier, which BTW also is evident in Guillou's book which extensive details Saddam's cooperation with the USSR. The many human rights violations of the Iraqi Baathist regime are detailed in many books, Sluglett's "Iraq Since 1958, From Revolution to Dictatorship", ISBN 1-85043-317-8 is perhaps the one most commonly quoted. There are many more. As for your claims that Guillou has denounced Saddam, I find it extremely questionable and suggest you back it up with references. Finally, I'd like to address the argument that Guillou was naive. At the time he was 32 years of age, far beyond the point where youthful innocense can be invoked as an excuse. It is also evident from Guillou's book that he read Rohde prior to his journey to Baghdad, so there is no room for the claim that he was unaware of the Baathist connection to the nazis. In fact it even surfaces - twice - in Guillou's book, first when he refers to the "historical hero" Rashid Ali (one of Hitler's allies) that returns after years in exile and when Guillou admits that Mein Kampf was published in Iraq. Guillou makes a song and dance on page 231 in which he makes the dubious claim of having objected to it.
I removed this:
Because it is a quote without a reference. This is a living person. Er. Also, several of the current references are now unavailable since Aftonbladet has made Jan's columns part of their online Plus part - i.e pay us or dont read J.G columns. How do we deal with that? It is VERY important to back everything in this article up with references. mceder ( u t c) 22:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
See [1]. The UN has a higher authority here. Saying that "the territories aren't occupied according to Israel" is like saying "Iraq isn't occupied because the USA says so". The Palestinian territories are occupied, fin. Quotation marks and "so-called" is petty bias. -- Servant Saber 00:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
He's an atheist. So what? Lots of Scandinavians are. At the very least the article should explain that explicit, open atheism is common in Scandinavia, so as to not give foreign readers the impression that Guillous atheism makes him stick out in a crowd (lots of other things do, obviously, but not that).-- Peter Knutsen 14:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC) I agree VsanoJ 16:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
The line about " non-fiction works contains critique of prominently Christianity" should be reworked if mot excluded. His fictional character Arn Magnusson is a deeply religious christian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.182.109 ( talk) 19:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I suggest his KGB connection hould be moved to a section of its own in the latter half of the article. This is a matter that will continue for some time - he's already promised to add a chapter about it to the paperback edition of his memoirs, and there could be a paper hunt at the FSB - the KGB's successors - in Moscow. The current placing of this stuff makes it look like it's the most important fact of his whole career, and that view of course is a blatantly political judgment. Especially as people keep coming in and throwing about unsubstantiated speculations and rewrites of the tabloids. Moreover, that kind of thing violates the WP directive on biograohical articles on living persons. We don't really know yet just how far those activities stretched, and vituperation (as opposed to stating of unfavourable facts and widespread criticism) towards living persons is not accepted on Wikipedia. / Strausszek ( talk) 11:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
It would certainly be relevant at that point to include bin Laden's own remark contrasting Sweden, specifically, with the US.
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16:06, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
"He then went on to study for two years at the Solbacka boarding school in Södermanland from where he was also expelled.[6] "
The source dosen´t say he was expelled. There is an swedish auther Paul Frigyes who claims this but Jan Guillou say this is a lie... Here is a video when Jan show Paul his final grade that he claims prove that he didn´t get expelled http://www.svtplay.se/klipp/1713185/guillou-kraver-att-boken-stoppas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.239.103.132 ( talk) 14:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
The article is mostly POV. In reality, Guillou is a very paradoxical figure in the following sense:
What he did back in the 1970:s was to clear up a political mess where a political party used the intelligence service as their private intelligence service. Then proclaiming that he is anti-American is decidedly false. He is pro-American - just read his books, he just doesn't shut up when the Americans on occasion fuck up. But I too react towards him rarely criticizing events in the Islamic world (he does, just not very often). He is not in favor of all stupidities, but he probably feels that the Arab world receives enough bad criticism as it stands already and says little. YohanN7 ( talk) 12:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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Guillou is a weird guy and a left wing eccentric. This article has taken all his eccentricities to the fullest. It sure isn't fair and balanced. It is so obvious that the main writer of the article really cannot stand the guy. I have read most of his books, I my political views lean towards the right, I vote for Moderaterna ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderaterna) but I still think this article paints a too negative image of Guillou.
Decidedly.
Arcsoda ( talk) 11:12, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Does anyone know the correct pronunciation of his name? -- Iceager 01:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
The list of books seems to be incomplete.
I would also like to have a thorough description about which books have been translated into other languages.
"Guillou destroyed the character (after reports that Swedish neo-Nazis had taken him as their role model."
I removed this part until someone can verify it, I can't seem to find any Swedish source that agrees, not even the Swedish Wikipedia lists this.
Obli 19:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know what made him listed as a terrorist in the US? I assume it has to do with the IB Affair, but perhaps it's worth mentioning on the page. KDLarsen 01:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
The only -- yes, the only -- purpose with this "article" is to make Guillou appear like an anti-semite, which he isn't and never have been. The connection with Radio Islam is totally irrelevant, just to mention one example of this biased "article".
I am removing the POV banner. It was added in February, much work has been done since then, and the reasons for the banner are a bit vague, yes? The only example given is the Radio Islam. Please be specific in what is the problem here, and reinsert the POV banner, then we get to work on it. mceder ( u t c) 18:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Renamed from "Controversial views" since they are not particularly controversial. HumanR
"Guillou has been accused of anti-semitism and is on record as having complained that the Jewish family of Bonnier is slanting the media towards a pro-Israeli stance." Whoever claims that this is true needs to come up with a reference. HumanR
That Guillou has been accused of anti-semitism is common knowledge. Just like it's well known that he is attacking organizations that combat revisionism in regards to the Holocaust. Regarding his attacks on DN and the Bonnier family for slanting the media, I've read it personally several times in his columns. He has made the slur on the DN as "the smuggest daily" a trade mark of his authorship.
I removed the paragraph about a book about Iraq that Guillou had co-authored in the seventies. This article should have information about the well-known books by Guillou, not some book that no one has heard of and that might exist in the archives of a few libraries in Sweden. That paragraph did not make this article more informative, and was probable only intended to malign Guillou, by something naive he wrote about Iraq 30 years ago, before Saddam Hussein came in power. Battra 01:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the part about his Iraq book since it's only there to smear Mr. Guillou. It's clear that this is malicious misinformation since Saddam Hussein didn't come into power until 1979 while the book was published in 1976. It's disturbing that people use Wikipedia for this type of misinformation and smear campaings. HumanR
I'd like to point out while Guillou's book may not be central for his work it is typical. There are on average at least one factual error per five pages in it, and the fact that they are always on the same side of the argument leaves very little room for the theory that the errors are unintentional. The entire message of the book is to praise Saddam and his rule as enlightened. I find your claim that we shouldn't make the connection since Saddam wasn't in command at the time as spurious at best; Saddam is the leader that is constantly extolled and a idolizing photography of him is included in the book to drive the point home. Most of the world at the time recognized the fact that he was the real power in Baghdad and not the formal President, whom I believe was his uncle (and afraid of him). Equally spurious is the claim that Saddam was an Western ally. In 1972 he signed a friendship and assistance treaty with the Soviet Union, which - together with its allies - was the dominant arms supplier, which BTW also is evident in Guillou's book which extensive details Saddam's cooperation with the USSR. The many human rights violations of the Iraqi Baathist regime are detailed in many books, Sluglett's "Iraq Since 1958, From Revolution to Dictatorship", ISBN 1-85043-317-8 is perhaps the one most commonly quoted. There are many more. As for your claims that Guillou has denounced Saddam, I find it extremely questionable and suggest you back it up with references. Finally, I'd like to address the argument that Guillou was naive. At the time he was 32 years of age, far beyond the point where youthful innocense can be invoked as an excuse. It is also evident from Guillou's book that he read Rohde prior to his journey to Baghdad, so there is no room for the claim that he was unaware of the Baathist connection to the nazis. In fact it even surfaces - twice - in Guillou's book, first when he refers to the "historical hero" Rashid Ali (one of Hitler's allies) that returns after years in exile and when Guillou admits that Mein Kampf was published in Iraq. Guillou makes a song and dance on page 231 in which he makes the dubious claim of having objected to it.
I removed this:
Because it is a quote without a reference. This is a living person. Er. Also, several of the current references are now unavailable since Aftonbladet has made Jan's columns part of their online Plus part - i.e pay us or dont read J.G columns. How do we deal with that? It is VERY important to back everything in this article up with references. mceder ( u t c) 22:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
See [1]. The UN has a higher authority here. Saying that "the territories aren't occupied according to Israel" is like saying "Iraq isn't occupied because the USA says so". The Palestinian territories are occupied, fin. Quotation marks and "so-called" is petty bias. -- Servant Saber 00:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
He's an atheist. So what? Lots of Scandinavians are. At the very least the article should explain that explicit, open atheism is common in Scandinavia, so as to not give foreign readers the impression that Guillous atheism makes him stick out in a crowd (lots of other things do, obviously, but not that).-- Peter Knutsen 14:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC) I agree VsanoJ 16:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
The line about " non-fiction works contains critique of prominently Christianity" should be reworked if mot excluded. His fictional character Arn Magnusson is a deeply religious christian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.182.109 ( talk) 19:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I suggest his KGB connection hould be moved to a section of its own in the latter half of the article. This is a matter that will continue for some time - he's already promised to add a chapter about it to the paperback edition of his memoirs, and there could be a paper hunt at the FSB - the KGB's successors - in Moscow. The current placing of this stuff makes it look like it's the most important fact of his whole career, and that view of course is a blatantly political judgment. Especially as people keep coming in and throwing about unsubstantiated speculations and rewrites of the tabloids. Moreover, that kind of thing violates the WP directive on biograohical articles on living persons. We don't really know yet just how far those activities stretched, and vituperation (as opposed to stating of unfavourable facts and widespread criticism) towards living persons is not accepted on Wikipedia. / Strausszek ( talk) 11:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
It would certainly be relevant at that point to include bin Laden's own remark contrasting Sweden, specifically, with the US.
Varlaam (
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16:06, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
"He then went on to study for two years at the Solbacka boarding school in Södermanland from where he was also expelled.[6] "
The source dosen´t say he was expelled. There is an swedish auther Paul Frigyes who claims this but Jan Guillou say this is a lie... Here is a video when Jan show Paul his final grade that he claims prove that he didn´t get expelled http://www.svtplay.se/klipp/1713185/guillou-kraver-att-boken-stoppas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.239.103.132 ( talk) 14:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
The article is mostly POV. In reality, Guillou is a very paradoxical figure in the following sense:
What he did back in the 1970:s was to clear up a political mess where a political party used the intelligence service as their private intelligence service. Then proclaiming that he is anti-American is decidedly false. He is pro-American - just read his books, he just doesn't shut up when the Americans on occasion fuck up. But I too react towards him rarely criticizing events in the Islamic world (he does, just not very often). He is not in favor of all stupidities, but he probably feels that the Arab world receives enough bad criticism as it stands already and says little. YohanN7 ( talk) 12:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Jan Guillou/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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