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I have further edited this page and put sections and changed wording. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deenparast ( talk • contribs) 03:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Have done the needful to clean up further by removing caps etc. Deenparast ( talk) 04:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Dear Porushh, Please refrain from edit-warring on Jamshedji Sorab Kukadaru, I understand he has great religious singificance for you but it is is not for you to unqiuely decide to call my facts controversial or even that are doubted by most of the Parsi community. Parsi Prakash recorded the Mazgon Dock navjotes, as a historian of Parsi history I can tell you it is the one of the best primary sources for anything vaguely Parsi related. There is NO historical debate as to whether Mazagaon Navjotes took place. Additionally, it is well established that Kukadaru was not an Dastur until after his death, he was simply an Ervad further elucidation of this has been made by Michael Stausberg and Ramiyar P. Karanjia in Enclyopedia Iranica. -- Failosopher ( talk) 18:54, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Dear Failosopher, my apologies, but my views are not "unique" as you put it. Many Parsis do object to using this page of a Parsi saint for furthering the controversial topic of conversion. This page was non controversial for many years, someone later added these words about the Mazgaon incident, and made this simple devotional page honouring a great saint of our religion into a place for furthering the contentious topic of conversion. This seems to be a misuse of the page. We request you kindly to please remove the contentious words and leave this page as it was first created, a devotional page in honor of a great saint and his miracles, and not a place to further conversion, which is a controversial topic for the Parsis. Many Parsis do not believe in conversion. God Bless you and yours. User:Porushh ( talk) 13:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Make a new section at the very end saying "Mazgaon Navjots" In this section, please put: "Dasturji Kukadaru was reported to have participated in the Mazgaon Navjots of people born of inter-religious marriages in 1882, as per the records in Parsi Prakash, an Orthodox Zoroastrian newsletter. In 1882, a group of poor dock workers living and working in Mazgaon Docks appealed to various Priests & High Priests and also petitioned the Bombay Parsi Panchayet (BPP) for being admitted to the Parsi fold, as being born to inter-married parentage. About 200 prominent Parsis collected funds and eminent Dasturjis performed the Navjote ceremony, in the presence of a large gathering on 26 June 1882. Eleven navjotes were performed (4 males & 5 females, age ranging from 35 years to 77 years & two children) on persons born of inter-married parentage. This one-off event was duly reported in the Mumbai Samachar, Jam-e-Jamshed and ‘Parsi Prakash’."
The above reports the facts without propagating conversion, and this compromise would be fair and satisfactory. Hope you will agree. God Bless you and yours. PorusHH
# Parsi is a race. # Zoroastrianism is a religion. # The term “Parsi” applies to the descendents of the original migrants who left Iran to settle in India to preserve Zoroastrianism # A “Parsi” is a person born of both Parsi parents who has an inalienable right to practice the Zoroastrian religion. # A “ Zoroastrian” is a person who believes and follows the teaching of Zoroaster. # It is recognized that “Zoroastrianism” is a universal religion. # It is further recognized that a Zoroastrian is not necessarily a Parsi.
I will cut my loses as this conversation is neither relavant nor a sound use of my time. You refer to the same strawmen over and over again. You dont properly understand NPOV and you cant see things from another point of view. Be happy with the resolution we agreed to. Persistant disprutive editing will land you in hot water. Failosopher ( talk) 19:25, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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created talk page
I have further edited this page and put sections and changed wording. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deenparast ( talk • contribs) 03:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Have done the needful to clean up further by removing caps etc. Deenparast ( talk) 04:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Dear Porushh, Please refrain from edit-warring on Jamshedji Sorab Kukadaru, I understand he has great religious singificance for you but it is is not for you to unqiuely decide to call my facts controversial or even that are doubted by most of the Parsi community. Parsi Prakash recorded the Mazgon Dock navjotes, as a historian of Parsi history I can tell you it is the one of the best primary sources for anything vaguely Parsi related. There is NO historical debate as to whether Mazagaon Navjotes took place. Additionally, it is well established that Kukadaru was not an Dastur until after his death, he was simply an Ervad further elucidation of this has been made by Michael Stausberg and Ramiyar P. Karanjia in Enclyopedia Iranica. -- Failosopher ( talk) 18:54, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Dear Failosopher, my apologies, but my views are not "unique" as you put it. Many Parsis do object to using this page of a Parsi saint for furthering the controversial topic of conversion. This page was non controversial for many years, someone later added these words about the Mazgaon incident, and made this simple devotional page honouring a great saint of our religion into a place for furthering the contentious topic of conversion. This seems to be a misuse of the page. We request you kindly to please remove the contentious words and leave this page as it was first created, a devotional page in honor of a great saint and his miracles, and not a place to further conversion, which is a controversial topic for the Parsis. Many Parsis do not believe in conversion. God Bless you and yours. User:Porushh ( talk) 13:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Make a new section at the very end saying "Mazgaon Navjots" In this section, please put: "Dasturji Kukadaru was reported to have participated in the Mazgaon Navjots of people born of inter-religious marriages in 1882, as per the records in Parsi Prakash, an Orthodox Zoroastrian newsletter. In 1882, a group of poor dock workers living and working in Mazgaon Docks appealed to various Priests & High Priests and also petitioned the Bombay Parsi Panchayet (BPP) for being admitted to the Parsi fold, as being born to inter-married parentage. About 200 prominent Parsis collected funds and eminent Dasturjis performed the Navjote ceremony, in the presence of a large gathering on 26 June 1882. Eleven navjotes were performed (4 males & 5 females, age ranging from 35 years to 77 years & two children) on persons born of inter-married parentage. This one-off event was duly reported in the Mumbai Samachar, Jam-e-Jamshed and ‘Parsi Prakash’."
The above reports the facts without propagating conversion, and this compromise would be fair and satisfactory. Hope you will agree. God Bless you and yours. PorusHH
# Parsi is a race. # Zoroastrianism is a religion. # The term “Parsi” applies to the descendents of the original migrants who left Iran to settle in India to preserve Zoroastrianism # A “Parsi” is a person born of both Parsi parents who has an inalienable right to practice the Zoroastrian religion. # A “ Zoroastrian” is a person who believes and follows the teaching of Zoroaster. # It is recognized that “Zoroastrianism” is a universal religion. # It is further recognized that a Zoroastrian is not necessarily a Parsi.
I will cut my loses as this conversation is neither relavant nor a sound use of my time. You refer to the same strawmen over and over again. You dont properly understand NPOV and you cant see things from another point of view. Be happy with the resolution we agreed to. Persistant disprutive editing will land you in hot water. Failosopher ( talk) 19:25, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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