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I'm surprised there's been so little mention in the press of this woman. How dare she "investigate" Bush for something she did? (And we're all so outraged over Pinochet for overthrowing Allende, or for a few MPs hazing Iraqi officials who had murdered, raped and tortured innocent Iraqis!!) Has no one a sense of perspective?! -- Uncle Ed 14:34, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
There's a strong argument that Jamie Gorelick did not in fact have the conflict of interest that some of her detractors accused her of. In reality, when she wrote the memo that Attorney General Ashcroft confronted her with, she was merely following an established set of rules governing information sharing within the Justice Department. Furthermore, according to a Washington Post editorial from last year, the policies and practices of sharing -- and of course, witholding -- intelligence among different government agencies was deeply ingrained throughout the Justice Department. The editorial notes a particularly important conclusion of one of the intellgence appeals courts about the so-called "wall" between intelligence officials and law enforcement:
-- Ipsedixit 02:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
This article only has two references, and it's not clear those references directly verify the bulk of the information. There are numerous quotes and statements in this article, including some apparently unsourced statements about "critics" of Gorelick, and it doesn't appear that the two references provided verify all of it. So basically the article could use a reference update so that all of the information in it can be verified. Dugwiki 17:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Not listed on her law firm's website ( http://www.wilmerhale.com/jamie_gorelick) is that fact that Jamie Gorelick has also been since 1997 the Vice Chairman of troubled Fannie May, the giant quasi-governmental mortgage lender that has been enmeshed in continuing accounting irregularities since 2004. These irregularities, in addition to understating financial risk, overstated profit by as much as $9 billion (Bloomberg News, 12/14/04). These profit overstatements in turn enriched the firm's officers and directors through incentive compensation programs.
One example of the sort of Fannie Mae activity that has attracted investigators is the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie May's former CEO. He "resigned" under pressure in 2004, accompanied by a board-awarded termination package consisting of $30 million in stock and options, and a $1 million-a-year pension (also Bloomberg News, 12/14/04).
Source for Fannie Mae executive income is found in the official Government PDF of this investigative report in 2006 that revealed the fraudulent and improper methods being used at Fannie Mae; the total income figures for all executives is located on page 66. According to the figures calculated by OFHEO Gorlick did indeed earn $26,466,834 from 1998 to 2002. This PDF also demonstrates that Gorelick earned the $26,466,834 in FIVE years at Fannie Mae, not SIX years, as previously reported. Since I don't know how to update the footnotes if I added this information to the main article, I'll let the more experienced hands give it a whack.
http://www.ofheo.gov/media/pdf/FNMSPECIALEXAM.PDF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.212.137 ( talk) 23:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I deleted the article on Jamie Gorelick that was previously on this page because it was filled with unsourced and innaccurate information. I cut and pasted a biograhpy of Jamie Gorelick from the 9/11 Commission website in place of the previous Wikipedia article.
I took this action because I believe the previous Wikipedia article had the potential to widely spread false information about Ms. Gorelick. Ms. Gorelick has been the victim of a vicious right wing smear that held her responsible for the events on 9/11. There is no factual basis for this claim.
An upcoming ABC-TV docudrama, The Path to 9/11, will generate controversy about Ms. Gorelick. The movie will depict a memo written by Ms. Gorelick as the cause for information that could have prevented 9/11 from being shared. The movie will likely bring great attention to Wikipedia as a source of information about Ms. Gorelick. I've already seen the previous Wikipedia Jamie Gorelick article linked to at other sites. The false information would only likely spread further.
I plan to write an improved article, which will contain well sourced facts about the controversy surrounding Ms. Gorelick. I will write an explanation of what the memo Ms. Gorelick wrote actually was. I will also explain the origins and reasons for and the true facts about what has been called the "wall between intelligence and law enforcement." I also plan to cover the false claims about Ms. Gorelick and state why those claims are untrue.
This is my first attempt to write a Wikipedia article. I would have spent more time in the sandbox first but the ABC-TV docudrama will air in less than one week. I'll do my best to learn how to use Wikipedia. My writing skills are below Wikipedia level. Any help with writing an improved article about Ms. Gorelick would be greatly appreciated.
I tagged the article NPOV because approximately 4/5 of the article is unreferenced opinion about Gorelick. Not only should negative material be properly cited, the article must also be balanced. The facts of someone's goverment service should be presented neutrally and negative opinions should not be given "undue weight". The article does not even attempt to provide a neutral retelling, starting off with biased framing such as "she did not recuse herself". At best, we should attribute such opinion after explaining the facts, e.g. "Gorelick's role on the commission yadda yadda yadda. George F. Wightwing, among others, said that she should have recused herself due to yadda yadda." -- Dhartung | Talk 02:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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I'm surprised there's been so little mention in the press of this woman. How dare she "investigate" Bush for something she did? (And we're all so outraged over Pinochet for overthrowing Allende, or for a few MPs hazing Iraqi officials who had murdered, raped and tortured innocent Iraqis!!) Has no one a sense of perspective?! -- Uncle Ed 14:34, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
There's a strong argument that Jamie Gorelick did not in fact have the conflict of interest that some of her detractors accused her of. In reality, when she wrote the memo that Attorney General Ashcroft confronted her with, she was merely following an established set of rules governing information sharing within the Justice Department. Furthermore, according to a Washington Post editorial from last year, the policies and practices of sharing -- and of course, witholding -- intelligence among different government agencies was deeply ingrained throughout the Justice Department. The editorial notes a particularly important conclusion of one of the intellgence appeals courts about the so-called "wall" between intelligence officials and law enforcement:
-- Ipsedixit 02:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
This article only has two references, and it's not clear those references directly verify the bulk of the information. There are numerous quotes and statements in this article, including some apparently unsourced statements about "critics" of Gorelick, and it doesn't appear that the two references provided verify all of it. So basically the article could use a reference update so that all of the information in it can be verified. Dugwiki 17:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Not listed on her law firm's website ( http://www.wilmerhale.com/jamie_gorelick) is that fact that Jamie Gorelick has also been since 1997 the Vice Chairman of troubled Fannie May, the giant quasi-governmental mortgage lender that has been enmeshed in continuing accounting irregularities since 2004. These irregularities, in addition to understating financial risk, overstated profit by as much as $9 billion (Bloomberg News, 12/14/04). These profit overstatements in turn enriched the firm's officers and directors through incentive compensation programs.
One example of the sort of Fannie Mae activity that has attracted investigators is the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie May's former CEO. He "resigned" under pressure in 2004, accompanied by a board-awarded termination package consisting of $30 million in stock and options, and a $1 million-a-year pension (also Bloomberg News, 12/14/04).
Source for Fannie Mae executive income is found in the official Government PDF of this investigative report in 2006 that revealed the fraudulent and improper methods being used at Fannie Mae; the total income figures for all executives is located on page 66. According to the figures calculated by OFHEO Gorlick did indeed earn $26,466,834 from 1998 to 2002. This PDF also demonstrates that Gorelick earned the $26,466,834 in FIVE years at Fannie Mae, not SIX years, as previously reported. Since I don't know how to update the footnotes if I added this information to the main article, I'll let the more experienced hands give it a whack.
http://www.ofheo.gov/media/pdf/FNMSPECIALEXAM.PDF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.212.137 ( talk) 23:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I deleted the article on Jamie Gorelick that was previously on this page because it was filled with unsourced and innaccurate information. I cut and pasted a biograhpy of Jamie Gorelick from the 9/11 Commission website in place of the previous Wikipedia article.
I took this action because I believe the previous Wikipedia article had the potential to widely spread false information about Ms. Gorelick. Ms. Gorelick has been the victim of a vicious right wing smear that held her responsible for the events on 9/11. There is no factual basis for this claim.
An upcoming ABC-TV docudrama, The Path to 9/11, will generate controversy about Ms. Gorelick. The movie will depict a memo written by Ms. Gorelick as the cause for information that could have prevented 9/11 from being shared. The movie will likely bring great attention to Wikipedia as a source of information about Ms. Gorelick. I've already seen the previous Wikipedia Jamie Gorelick article linked to at other sites. The false information would only likely spread further.
I plan to write an improved article, which will contain well sourced facts about the controversy surrounding Ms. Gorelick. I will write an explanation of what the memo Ms. Gorelick wrote actually was. I will also explain the origins and reasons for and the true facts about what has been called the "wall between intelligence and law enforcement." I also plan to cover the false claims about Ms. Gorelick and state why those claims are untrue.
This is my first attempt to write a Wikipedia article. I would have spent more time in the sandbox first but the ABC-TV docudrama will air in less than one week. I'll do my best to learn how to use Wikipedia. My writing skills are below Wikipedia level. Any help with writing an improved article about Ms. Gorelick would be greatly appreciated.
I tagged the article NPOV because approximately 4/5 of the article is unreferenced opinion about Gorelick. Not only should negative material be properly cited, the article must also be balanced. The facts of someone's goverment service should be presented neutrally and negative opinions should not be given "undue weight". The article does not even attempt to provide a neutral retelling, starting off with biased framing such as "she did not recuse herself". At best, we should attribute such opinion after explaining the facts, e.g. "Gorelick's role on the commission yadda yadda yadda. George F. Wightwing, among others, said that she should have recused herself due to yadda yadda." -- Dhartung | Talk 02:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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