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Hello. It seems that this schools page has been vandalised by many different people. Please make this page protected. It needs to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown123123123 ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
The photos currently up on the page have a problem with their copyright status (the uploader didn't tag them). If any ex-students (looks at Kewpid :P) have photos from their time at school and are willing to release them under the GFDL, then that would be great. Thanks. Enochlau 03:09, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
This page needs some serious work to bring it in line with an encyclopaedia article. At present much of it reads like a brochure for the school. The prefect section is almost sickening. -- Daveb 09:55, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Kewpid,
You wrote: In 2004, the school achieved a median University Admission Index (UAI) of 99.5, and had 8 of the state's 21 UAI 100s [2].
The issue is: where did this data come from? UAIs are not released to schools (since ~1997), so the only way the school could have obtained data is from asking students to self-report. Unless the school can assure that it received results from all students, under-reporting is likely to have skewed results. Unless there is another source to verify this information, I suggest the article stick to published and verifiable data, such as numbers published in merit lists.
-- Daveb 06:59, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Just writing here because it fits the academic theme. JSIN, I agree with the removal of the line "This is no surprise really given that James Ruse is a selective school, and students must be in the top five percent of the state to gain admission." but to say it's untrue is a bit off the mark. Even a conservative estimate would suggest James Ruse cream off their students from the top five per cent. KRC, Sometime in November
It's untrue because there's no policy that only those in the top five percent (of what?!) can gain admission. I daresay that there would have been cases that someone who is not in the top five percent (of whatever) has gained entry. Entry into a selective school is not based on percentile rankings. It is a much more complicated system. Here is a link, should you be interested. http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/learning/k-6assessments/selectiveschools.php Although it has been proven that JRAHS's mean for various achievements is quite high, it would be POV to categorically state that one must be in the top 5% to be offered a spot.
More importantly, the top 5% claim is unverified and does not have a place in an encyclopaedia. JSIN 12:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
JSIN, It's not a "policy" to choose the top 5% of academic achievers, but it's a reality of the selection system. Despite other criteria, selection to James Ruse comes down to results of the Selective High Schools Test (which is the reason coaching schools train kids in taking these tests). 13,000 people try out for selective schools. It's safe to say that these are above average academic achievers, that's why they're encouraged to try out. James Ruse is by far the most popular school to try out for, but let's pretend only a quarter of people (3,250) have it as their first choice. From that group, James Ruse gets the best performing 120 people. That's around the top 4% of an already above average sample group. That said, I agree that it doesn't have place in an encyclopedia. KRC, late in November
Figures were published in the SMH earlier this year, that first-choice applications for JRAHS had decreased, and that it was only third on the list (from memory). The figure was definitely below 1000. Much of your reasoning is speculation and is not based on fact. JSIN 06:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
JSIN, I know it's specualtion, which is why I agreed it doesn't belong in the article, but I've got no doubt it's true. Anyone who works in the education system (excepting Michael Quinlan, and fellow boosters for Ruse) could tell you that James Ruse's results only reflects the students they recieve. KRC, Sometime in 2005
This is a simple issue: if there is an externally verifiable reference available (read: a DOSE or BOS document or similar) to support the assertion then it could be included; if not leave it out as it is mere speculation. Cheers, -- Daveb 08:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Non-denominational means not affiliated to any particular denomination. This by no means implies that a non-denominational group may not hold to a particular belief. The fact that a belief held by a group is contrary to the beliefs of any particular denomination is also irrelevant. So having "Protestant beliefs", in particular sola scripture is not inconsistent with being non-denominational. Not recognising the Roman Catholic Church as the true church/faith is definitely not inconsistent with being non-denominational. In fact, to recognise it would be inconsistent with being non-denominational. It is good to make clear what the teachings in ISCF are, and that people disagree with them, but not to misunderstand their claim. JPD 09:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Do you think it is reasonable to refer to their doctrine of sola scriptura and their rejection of the Roman Catholic Church as part of the point that they have Protestant beliefs? JSIN 12:51, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
How can this be a public school, yet have a Christian religious affiliation? Ambi 13:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Apart from ISCF, there is also FOCUS, and JIFFY... I'm not in any of those groups, so my knowledge is limited, can someone else (hint, james) add something to the article about them? I wouldn't trust myself to write about those groups ;) Even though there are now 3 religious groups, the number of people attending isn't as high as people would imagine, and a lot of people go to ISCF for the stamp! -- Hobowu 13:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Since when was the school song called Green and Gold? I asked Mr Ballantyne (science teacher, ex student's might remember him) and he said that it was just called the school song. Also, in the 2005 JR student diaries, the title of the song is just "School Song". Spik3balloon 3 July 2005 09:40 (UTC)
School Song Lyrics
We're honest, courteous and kind And we are friends from many lands Together we explore our minds We are Ruse and for Ruse we stand
School of Green and Gold Strength to proceed To meet our destiny We'll sing our song, our song of pride With all our might even when In times of pain, in times of strife, We're in pursuit of excellence. JRG 11:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Daveb, you deleted very large chunks of information from the I.S.C.F. section. What justification do you have for this? I don't mean the silly things that some people have added, but the informative and factual things, like the issuance of a stamp and an overview of what they preach. "it is questionable whether there should be more than a cursory mention of this activity" There is no reason why additional information should not be included. I don't think this indiscriminate and hasty removal of content is beneficial to the article at all. I'll re-add the I.S.C.F. information (excluding the non-denominational issue above) in two days if no-one objects. JSIN 12:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
The length of this whole article is absurd. It's longer than the Sydney University one, for crying out loud. Who cares what variety of corn is grown? Perhaps you should add the hobbies of the principal, and say what game the students play at lunchtime to keep amused. The whole thing starts to read like a brochure for the school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.48.97.130 ( talk • contribs) 15 November 2005.
It is in my opinion that this article is of a reasonable length. As Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopaedia, I see no reason to restrict our wealth of knowledge, as long as it is relevant to the article. The variety of corn grown is important, since JRAHS is an agricultural high school and runs agricultural enterprises. If you feel that the Sydney University article is too short, then may I respectfully suggest that you go about improving it and adding more information, instead of criticising other articles that are both detailed and relevant. JSIN 08:33, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I could write a detailed response, but Daveb's answer above suits the purpose pretty well, so read that again. KRC 25 November
KRC, to which of Daveb's comments are you referring? As far as I know, he has made no answer to what 203.48.97.130 has written. I should be grateful if you could tell us. By the way, you can sign with your name, date and time by using four tildes (~). JSIN 12:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
JSIN, I was referring to Daveb's point in the ISCF section that you seem to have trouble working out what's encyclopaedic. Thanks for explaining how to sign the date. KRC November
Why is James Ruse's current ethnic make-up and its recent HSC results under "History." This clearly isn't history.
Yeah, I think we need a new section for these things. I added the ethnic background information to History because similar types of information were there. You can sign your posts on the talk page if you wish, it makes it much easier to keep track of the discussion. JSIN 12:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
With the events in Sydney over the past week, you'd think we should try to downplay the significance of ethnicity. I am removing that statistics mumbo jumbo section altogether. Beyond that, entry to the school is based on an entrance exam, so the demographic make-up of the school is the result of the free-market, and not some conspiracy against white kids. Grow up 203.48.97.130 Kewpid 03:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The percentage of a school population with a NESB is an important demographical statistic and is reported in each school's annual report. The race riots should not and do not affect this article in any way. I will revert to my last version. JSIN 06:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The fact is, James Ruse isn't very ethnically diverse at all - and the statistics included here back that up. It's got nothing to do with alleging a conspiracy against white kids. It's just a fact. Aside from that, the sentence is badly written and it has nothing to do with "History" KRC 15 December 2005
Can the statistics just be left there without a preceding sentence saying whether they imply diversity or not? Since you people can't agree, I think it's better to just leave it to the reader to decide. -- KittySaturn 12:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I'll put that statistic in. JSIN 11:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, the list of principals is wrong. Everyone has forgotten AJ Gilmour (79-82). If anyone knows his names can you edit the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.120.108.79 ( talk) 13:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I second that the forgotten headmaster AJ Gilmour, who preceded Mr Watson in the early 80s, should be added to the list of principals. I distinctly recall an assembly attended by Mr Gilmour (after he left Ruse) at which he received a standing ovation on entry to the school hall. This was because Watson was not well liked at the time, the general feeling being that things were better under Gilmour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.14.203 ( talk) 01:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I am concerned that this article's section on co-curricular activities violates Wikipedia:Verifiability. This stuff just isn't verifiable unless there are official pages on the school website that discuss such activities to the level of detail covered here. It seems to have been reported first-hand from the experiences of a former student, which then also violates Wikipedia:No original research. Sorry if I sound like I'm bashing the article with a bunch of rules, but it does look out of place and I think most of the section should go. Enochlau 14:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The school website has a link to this WP article, which is called "an informative report on our school" [3]. I'm not saying this makes the content any more or less verifiable. Much information, for example, about co-curricular activities and academic success, is included in the school's annual report, a copy of which was given to each student (and I lost mine). JSIN 11:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Got my hands on a copy of the school's 2005 Annual Report which claims to be "the result of a rigorous school self-evaluation process and is a balanced and genuine account of the school's achievements and areas for development". Will be using it to source info. JSIN 09:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could someone dig up a reference for the claim that the median UAI for JR was 99.5? That seems awfully awfully high. I think either this is OR or just too much self-selection to mean anythign useful. (but yes, I agree with the thrust, JR rules academically....) novacatz 07:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
If it's alright with everyone else, I'm going to run a chainsaw through this article and try and clean it up. When I expanded it I didn't realise it would become this bloated. The extra-curricular activities section is particularly indulgent. Kewpid 04:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the Ag bit should be cleaned up a bit, it's all cluttered with excess information.
I'd clean this thing up myself, but I have a strong suspicion that it's being followed by administrators from the school, so any clean up will ultimately be futile. I think paragraphs on the school's campus, stuff on agriculture, the alumni section (some of which are referenced by newspaper articles which clearly have ripped their names off of wikipedia in the first place) and a number of other sections could really benefit from a clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugsydash ( talk • contribs) 03:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Who would be interested in a "James Ruse Student" category and/or a user page box for that category? Secondly, if anyone were interested, who would be able to create a category? -- General_Kenobi 10:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
It would be great if someone could make one. Thanks for bringing up this idea, Ben. I'm not familiar with making userboxes, but I'm sure heaps of people are. JSIN 10:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I think in this case Template:Infobox School2 is better than Template:Secondary school simply because it has a few differnt and extra features that make it superior- such as having extra categories for different principal types rather than having to shove 'Deputy Principals' to the bottom of the infobox. -- tankman 15:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The lead section is too long. It is not consistent with WP:MOS. Some of what is in the lead section should be moved to other sections. Ga rr ie 12:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
This article includes reference to many Sydney suburbs, it would be great if one of the regular contributors here wikified some of these. Also - as a contributor for WP:Sydney with an interest in transport - are any of the roads mentioned worthy of an article? Try looking at Category:Streets in Sydney and see if the roads mentioned can at least result in an equivalent article.
It would be good for the WP if this article - which is quite extensive - linked to a proportionally large number of other articles.
Ga rr ie 03:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
done. the suburbs at least anyway. -- tankman 14:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
In line with Wikipedia's fair use policies, the school logo needs a fair use rationale both at the image itself, and within each article (including this one!) which makes use of it.
If no fair-use rationale is provided, the image may be deleted.
I haven't tagged it with {{ Di-no fair use rationale}} but currently that would be appropriate. IMAGES TAGGED WITH that template become candidates for speedy deletion. Ga rr ie 04:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added a non-free use rationale template, and a fair-use rationale template for this article. Spik3balloon 12:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I've done my best to add references for the various people mentioned in the Alumni section. I think it appropriate to remove the remaining unreferenced Alumni. Not because they aren't notable or not JRAHS ex-students, but rather that they are not verifiably both (c.f. WP:V and WP:N). If anyone can find additional references that would be better than removing them obviously. For those notable persons that are not verifiably JRAHS ex-students, shame on you for not spruiking your alma mater :-) -- Surturz ( talk) 11:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to revert the alumni section back to my previous edit. The article used as a reference for Antony Green clearly used Wikipedia to obtain the information in the first place. Additionally, ] ( talk) 16:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I just put Jabba mack in the alumni section. I can't understand why he keeps getting deleted, and until someone explains why, I'll keep putting him back. 19:14, 29 May 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.132.192 ( talk)
I believe the reason why, as with most people on the list, he just isn't notable. A notable person is someone with a high profile who has excelled in their chosen field. Jabba is just one in a million disc jockeys, and his name sounds like some monkey spinning records. A winner of the Man-Booker prize is notable. An Olympic gold medallist is notable, a disc jockey is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.149.12 ( talk) 13:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Good arguments were made as to why the alumni list had problems with both citation and notability. These arguments weren't responded to. However, after someone made an edit and cut the section down, it was reverted. Notability is a problem throughout Wikipedia, because there really isn't a full proof way of determining an individual's notability. However, I think there are serious notability issues with some people on the list, many of whom are just local socialites and celebrities. I'm going to move the entire (expanded) list to the Discussion page until we can build a consensus. Bugsydash ( talk) 13:01, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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Hello. It seems that this schools page has been vandalised by many different people. Please make this page protected. It needs to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown123123123 ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
The photos currently up on the page have a problem with their copyright status (the uploader didn't tag them). If any ex-students (looks at Kewpid :P) have photos from their time at school and are willing to release them under the GFDL, then that would be great. Thanks. Enochlau 03:09, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
This page needs some serious work to bring it in line with an encyclopaedia article. At present much of it reads like a brochure for the school. The prefect section is almost sickening. -- Daveb 09:55, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Kewpid,
You wrote: In 2004, the school achieved a median University Admission Index (UAI) of 99.5, and had 8 of the state's 21 UAI 100s [2].
The issue is: where did this data come from? UAIs are not released to schools (since ~1997), so the only way the school could have obtained data is from asking students to self-report. Unless the school can assure that it received results from all students, under-reporting is likely to have skewed results. Unless there is another source to verify this information, I suggest the article stick to published and verifiable data, such as numbers published in merit lists.
-- Daveb 06:59, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Just writing here because it fits the academic theme. JSIN, I agree with the removal of the line "This is no surprise really given that James Ruse is a selective school, and students must be in the top five percent of the state to gain admission." but to say it's untrue is a bit off the mark. Even a conservative estimate would suggest James Ruse cream off their students from the top five per cent. KRC, Sometime in November
It's untrue because there's no policy that only those in the top five percent (of what?!) can gain admission. I daresay that there would have been cases that someone who is not in the top five percent (of whatever) has gained entry. Entry into a selective school is not based on percentile rankings. It is a much more complicated system. Here is a link, should you be interested. http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/learning/k-6assessments/selectiveschools.php Although it has been proven that JRAHS's mean for various achievements is quite high, it would be POV to categorically state that one must be in the top 5% to be offered a spot.
More importantly, the top 5% claim is unverified and does not have a place in an encyclopaedia. JSIN 12:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
JSIN, It's not a "policy" to choose the top 5% of academic achievers, but it's a reality of the selection system. Despite other criteria, selection to James Ruse comes down to results of the Selective High Schools Test (which is the reason coaching schools train kids in taking these tests). 13,000 people try out for selective schools. It's safe to say that these are above average academic achievers, that's why they're encouraged to try out. James Ruse is by far the most popular school to try out for, but let's pretend only a quarter of people (3,250) have it as their first choice. From that group, James Ruse gets the best performing 120 people. That's around the top 4% of an already above average sample group. That said, I agree that it doesn't have place in an encyclopedia. KRC, late in November
Figures were published in the SMH earlier this year, that first-choice applications for JRAHS had decreased, and that it was only third on the list (from memory). The figure was definitely below 1000. Much of your reasoning is speculation and is not based on fact. JSIN 06:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
JSIN, I know it's specualtion, which is why I agreed it doesn't belong in the article, but I've got no doubt it's true. Anyone who works in the education system (excepting Michael Quinlan, and fellow boosters for Ruse) could tell you that James Ruse's results only reflects the students they recieve. KRC, Sometime in 2005
This is a simple issue: if there is an externally verifiable reference available (read: a DOSE or BOS document or similar) to support the assertion then it could be included; if not leave it out as it is mere speculation. Cheers, -- Daveb 08:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Non-denominational means not affiliated to any particular denomination. This by no means implies that a non-denominational group may not hold to a particular belief. The fact that a belief held by a group is contrary to the beliefs of any particular denomination is also irrelevant. So having "Protestant beliefs", in particular sola scripture is not inconsistent with being non-denominational. Not recognising the Roman Catholic Church as the true church/faith is definitely not inconsistent with being non-denominational. In fact, to recognise it would be inconsistent with being non-denominational. It is good to make clear what the teachings in ISCF are, and that people disagree with them, but not to misunderstand their claim. JPD 09:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Do you think it is reasonable to refer to their doctrine of sola scriptura and their rejection of the Roman Catholic Church as part of the point that they have Protestant beliefs? JSIN 12:51, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
How can this be a public school, yet have a Christian religious affiliation? Ambi 13:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Apart from ISCF, there is also FOCUS, and JIFFY... I'm not in any of those groups, so my knowledge is limited, can someone else (hint, james) add something to the article about them? I wouldn't trust myself to write about those groups ;) Even though there are now 3 religious groups, the number of people attending isn't as high as people would imagine, and a lot of people go to ISCF for the stamp! -- Hobowu 13:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Since when was the school song called Green and Gold? I asked Mr Ballantyne (science teacher, ex student's might remember him) and he said that it was just called the school song. Also, in the 2005 JR student diaries, the title of the song is just "School Song". Spik3balloon 3 July 2005 09:40 (UTC)
School Song Lyrics
We're honest, courteous and kind And we are friends from many lands Together we explore our minds We are Ruse and for Ruse we stand
School of Green and Gold Strength to proceed To meet our destiny We'll sing our song, our song of pride With all our might even when In times of pain, in times of strife, We're in pursuit of excellence. JRG 11:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Daveb, you deleted very large chunks of information from the I.S.C.F. section. What justification do you have for this? I don't mean the silly things that some people have added, but the informative and factual things, like the issuance of a stamp and an overview of what they preach. "it is questionable whether there should be more than a cursory mention of this activity" There is no reason why additional information should not be included. I don't think this indiscriminate and hasty removal of content is beneficial to the article at all. I'll re-add the I.S.C.F. information (excluding the non-denominational issue above) in two days if no-one objects. JSIN 12:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
The length of this whole article is absurd. It's longer than the Sydney University one, for crying out loud. Who cares what variety of corn is grown? Perhaps you should add the hobbies of the principal, and say what game the students play at lunchtime to keep amused. The whole thing starts to read like a brochure for the school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.48.97.130 ( talk • contribs) 15 November 2005.
It is in my opinion that this article is of a reasonable length. As Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopaedia, I see no reason to restrict our wealth of knowledge, as long as it is relevant to the article. The variety of corn grown is important, since JRAHS is an agricultural high school and runs agricultural enterprises. If you feel that the Sydney University article is too short, then may I respectfully suggest that you go about improving it and adding more information, instead of criticising other articles that are both detailed and relevant. JSIN 08:33, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I could write a detailed response, but Daveb's answer above suits the purpose pretty well, so read that again. KRC 25 November
KRC, to which of Daveb's comments are you referring? As far as I know, he has made no answer to what 203.48.97.130 has written. I should be grateful if you could tell us. By the way, you can sign with your name, date and time by using four tildes (~). JSIN 12:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
JSIN, I was referring to Daveb's point in the ISCF section that you seem to have trouble working out what's encyclopaedic. Thanks for explaining how to sign the date. KRC November
Why is James Ruse's current ethnic make-up and its recent HSC results under "History." This clearly isn't history.
Yeah, I think we need a new section for these things. I added the ethnic background information to History because similar types of information were there. You can sign your posts on the talk page if you wish, it makes it much easier to keep track of the discussion. JSIN 12:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
With the events in Sydney over the past week, you'd think we should try to downplay the significance of ethnicity. I am removing that statistics mumbo jumbo section altogether. Beyond that, entry to the school is based on an entrance exam, so the demographic make-up of the school is the result of the free-market, and not some conspiracy against white kids. Grow up 203.48.97.130 Kewpid 03:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The percentage of a school population with a NESB is an important demographical statistic and is reported in each school's annual report. The race riots should not and do not affect this article in any way. I will revert to my last version. JSIN 06:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The fact is, James Ruse isn't very ethnically diverse at all - and the statistics included here back that up. It's got nothing to do with alleging a conspiracy against white kids. It's just a fact. Aside from that, the sentence is badly written and it has nothing to do with "History" KRC 15 December 2005
Can the statistics just be left there without a preceding sentence saying whether they imply diversity or not? Since you people can't agree, I think it's better to just leave it to the reader to decide. -- KittySaturn 12:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I'll put that statistic in. JSIN 11:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, the list of principals is wrong. Everyone has forgotten AJ Gilmour (79-82). If anyone knows his names can you edit the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.120.108.79 ( talk) 13:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I second that the forgotten headmaster AJ Gilmour, who preceded Mr Watson in the early 80s, should be added to the list of principals. I distinctly recall an assembly attended by Mr Gilmour (after he left Ruse) at which he received a standing ovation on entry to the school hall. This was because Watson was not well liked at the time, the general feeling being that things were better under Gilmour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.14.203 ( talk) 01:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I am concerned that this article's section on co-curricular activities violates Wikipedia:Verifiability. This stuff just isn't verifiable unless there are official pages on the school website that discuss such activities to the level of detail covered here. It seems to have been reported first-hand from the experiences of a former student, which then also violates Wikipedia:No original research. Sorry if I sound like I'm bashing the article with a bunch of rules, but it does look out of place and I think most of the section should go. Enochlau 14:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The school website has a link to this WP article, which is called "an informative report on our school" [3]. I'm not saying this makes the content any more or less verifiable. Much information, for example, about co-curricular activities and academic success, is included in the school's annual report, a copy of which was given to each student (and I lost mine). JSIN 11:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Got my hands on a copy of the school's 2005 Annual Report which claims to be "the result of a rigorous school self-evaluation process and is a balanced and genuine account of the school's achievements and areas for development". Will be using it to source info. JSIN 09:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could someone dig up a reference for the claim that the median UAI for JR was 99.5? That seems awfully awfully high. I think either this is OR or just too much self-selection to mean anythign useful. (but yes, I agree with the thrust, JR rules academically....) novacatz 07:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
If it's alright with everyone else, I'm going to run a chainsaw through this article and try and clean it up. When I expanded it I didn't realise it would become this bloated. The extra-curricular activities section is particularly indulgent. Kewpid 04:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the Ag bit should be cleaned up a bit, it's all cluttered with excess information.
I'd clean this thing up myself, but I have a strong suspicion that it's being followed by administrators from the school, so any clean up will ultimately be futile. I think paragraphs on the school's campus, stuff on agriculture, the alumni section (some of which are referenced by newspaper articles which clearly have ripped their names off of wikipedia in the first place) and a number of other sections could really benefit from a clean up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugsydash ( talk • contribs) 03:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Who would be interested in a "James Ruse Student" category and/or a user page box for that category? Secondly, if anyone were interested, who would be able to create a category? -- General_Kenobi 10:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
It would be great if someone could make one. Thanks for bringing up this idea, Ben. I'm not familiar with making userboxes, but I'm sure heaps of people are. JSIN 10:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I think in this case Template:Infobox School2 is better than Template:Secondary school simply because it has a few differnt and extra features that make it superior- such as having extra categories for different principal types rather than having to shove 'Deputy Principals' to the bottom of the infobox. -- tankman 15:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The lead section is too long. It is not consistent with WP:MOS. Some of what is in the lead section should be moved to other sections. Ga rr ie 12:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
This article includes reference to many Sydney suburbs, it would be great if one of the regular contributors here wikified some of these. Also - as a contributor for WP:Sydney with an interest in transport - are any of the roads mentioned worthy of an article? Try looking at Category:Streets in Sydney and see if the roads mentioned can at least result in an equivalent article.
It would be good for the WP if this article - which is quite extensive - linked to a proportionally large number of other articles.
Ga rr ie 03:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
done. the suburbs at least anyway. -- tankman 14:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
In line with Wikipedia's fair use policies, the school logo needs a fair use rationale both at the image itself, and within each article (including this one!) which makes use of it.
If no fair-use rationale is provided, the image may be deleted.
I haven't tagged it with {{ Di-no fair use rationale}} but currently that would be appropriate. IMAGES TAGGED WITH that template become candidates for speedy deletion. Ga rr ie 04:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added a non-free use rationale template, and a fair-use rationale template for this article. Spik3balloon 12:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I've done my best to add references for the various people mentioned in the Alumni section. I think it appropriate to remove the remaining unreferenced Alumni. Not because they aren't notable or not JRAHS ex-students, but rather that they are not verifiably both (c.f. WP:V and WP:N). If anyone can find additional references that would be better than removing them obviously. For those notable persons that are not verifiably JRAHS ex-students, shame on you for not spruiking your alma mater :-) -- Surturz ( talk) 11:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to revert the alumni section back to my previous edit. The article used as a reference for Antony Green clearly used Wikipedia to obtain the information in the first place. Additionally, ] ( talk) 16:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I just put Jabba mack in the alumni section. I can't understand why he keeps getting deleted, and until someone explains why, I'll keep putting him back. 19:14, 29 May 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.132.192 ( talk)
I believe the reason why, as with most people on the list, he just isn't notable. A notable person is someone with a high profile who has excelled in their chosen field. Jabba is just one in a million disc jockeys, and his name sounds like some monkey spinning records. A winner of the Man-Booker prize is notable. An Olympic gold medallist is notable, a disc jockey is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.149.12 ( talk) 13:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Good arguments were made as to why the alumni list had problems with both citation and notability. These arguments weren't responded to. However, after someone made an edit and cut the section down, it was reverted. Notability is a problem throughout Wikipedia, because there really isn't a full proof way of determining an individual's notability. However, I think there are serious notability issues with some people on the list, many of whom are just local socialites and celebrities. I'm going to move the entire (expanded) list to the Discussion page until we can build a consensus. Bugsydash ( talk) 13:01, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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Multiple IP-editors have added Erryn Arkin to the list of notable almuni. The basic requirement for Wikipedia biography notability is significant coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. Typically a biography article is written before adding the name to a list of notables. The existence of a biography article is accepted as evidence of notability. Lacking that we expect editors adding a name to a list of notables to include citations sufficient to demonstrate notability.
Erryn Arkin does not have a biography article in this Wikipedia. The citations provided are not convincing of notability. A press release is not independent. Imdb is not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. Sometimes Imdb does provide helpful links to coverage that is reliable. Unfortunately in this case the links lead to very minor mentions. The Sydney Morning Herald source links to a page where I did not find the name Erryn Arkin. Searching for better sources I found nothing helpful.
Because the coverage necessary to establish notability has not been identified I will again remove his name from the list of notable alumni. Happy to reconsider is better sourcing is identified. Gab4gab ( talk) 15:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)