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It could well be written by James Rhodes, but anyway it is a touching document. There could be reasons to clean it up, but please keep the aspect that (the classical) music can help a troubled soul and that the art has another message than just being "art". I have just listened to a Danish pianist (Katrine Gislinge) explaining her aversion against playing at a concert where it has to be "art" and how hard it can be to set up yourself. So a Wikipedia article about an artist with another bid on how concert life could be is very welcome. -- d-axel ( talk) 20:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The article includes this: "he was sent to a local public school where he experienced abuse by his gym teacher." However, it then goes on to say that at 13 he went to Harrow. In the UK a public school is normally attended from age 13 onwards, so I am a bit puzzled about why he is said to have attended public school before going to what most people would regard as "going to public school", i.e. Harrow. Normally in the UK a boy who is destined for public school goes to prep school up to the age of 13. The only other explanation that I can think of would be if he went to one of the very minor public schools which admit pupils from 11, like a normal secondary school, and did the first two years of a public school with entry at 11 in lieu of the last two years of a prep school. That would be strange, as public schools that take pupils at 11 do not then prepare pupils to leave two years later via the Common Entrance exam. This leaves me wondering how he was prepared for Common Entrance, if he was already at public school. Better still, can no sources tell us which school he attended? Given that the sexual abuse took place at this school it would in some ways be of more biographical interest than Harrow, which seems not to have had such a big impact on the rest of his life.-- 2.218.202.1 ( talk) 10:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Why is his ex-wife's name consistently removed?— chbarts ( talk) 07:09, 24 May 2015 (UTC) His ex-wife is a public figure (a popular writer) and thus, has put herself in the public sphere. It doesn't seem like she should have the right to censor this page. (The ex-wife did not edit this page. It was Lighinlondon and I am not the ex-wife. - My apologies to Wikipedia. I'm s new user and was not aware of the "edit war" rule. I was simply trying to protect the interest of the son - nothing to do with the mother or James Rhodes.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 21:45, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
The information about the name of his ex-wife is available on other web sites and thus, should not be censored on Wikipedia. The injunction was lifted by the UK Supreme Court who said it never should have been placed in the first place. The fact that a popular writer (who thus is also a public figure) has tried to suppress (and succeeded for a time) the writings of another writer is important public information, and that popular writer should not be allowed to censor Wikipedia (part of her motivation for doing so would obviously be her concern about how her action to censor her ex might negatively affect her book sales). Wikipedia should not be a party to such censorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 18:48, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
There's no reason, legal or otherwise, to censor her nationality, country of residence, or occupation, as the UK Supreme Court has clearly made that public information. There is really no reason to censor her name - there is certainly no legal reason for her name not to appear in Wikipedia as Rhodes's ex-wife. Rhodes's ex-wife never should have filed for the injunction. It was never going to succeed, and her lawyers should have been frank with her about that. All the publicity it has brought only damages her reputation (especially as a popular novelist, as writers should not attempt to censor other writers). Additionally, it only increases public knowledge of Rhodes's book, which is really a good thing, but not at all what she intended to do. Any negative effect on their son is the responsibility of the ex-wife. Had she handled publication of the book more appropriately and dealt intelligently with any questions their son might have had, it would simply have empowered their son. Censoring of the Wikipedia page only does further damage, and may lead to more publicity, if the press decides to write an article about the censorship! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 23:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
The name of Rhodes's ex-wife, and the fact that she was *his* ex-wife, was in the public domain before this case was filed. The full-text of the UK Supreme Court's decision (point 29; https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2014-0251-judgment.pdf) specifically says that its initial prohibition (before the case was decided on May 20, 2015, at which point the injunction was lifted) of making public information did NOT apply to information that was in the public domain prior to 1 September 2014. Additionally, per point 26 of the UK Supreme Court decision, the interim injunction prohibited ONLY THE DEFENDANTS from making information public. The prohibition did not apply to other members of the public, or indeed, the press.
The full text of the UK Supreme Court's decision has point 2 which includes, in part, as follows( https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2014-0251-judgment.pdf):
The video recording of the UK Supreme Court's reading of its decision includes the fact that the mother is an American writer, now living in the US; that information is considered PUBLIC by the UK Supreme Court ( https://www.supremecourt.uk/watch/uksc-2014-0251/judgment.html) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 22:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I removed this section of text for now "James and Canongate were held to a temporary injunction, filed by his American ex-wife (also a writer), against publishing the book pending a full trial. The injunction was granted on the claim that the details about the severity of the sexual abuse Rhodes suffered as a child, as well as subsequent mental illness, would be harmful to his son and was 'toxic material'. However, on May 20, 2015, UK Supreme Court lifted the interim injunction (video of decision; full text of decision; UK Supreme Court press summary) that had prevented the defendants (Rhodes and publisher) from publicly speaking about certain personal details relating to the abuse and his subsequent struggles with mental health (prohibited items were listed in Confidential Schedules to the initial temporary injunction (now overturned);) Please remember "This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libelous."
A trial has not yet taken place. Cheers! WordSeventeen ( talk) 23:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
There is no blatant BLP issue here. You are abusing that. The UK Supreme Court website is not a weak source; including information from the UK Supreme Court decision is not libelous or contention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 01:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Note: WordSeventeen has been blocked by Wikipedia for a month, and his Pending Changes Reviewer and Rollback rights have been revoked, for his disruptive editing practices, which included his disruptive editing of material at the James Rhodes page (above provides discussion of that incident), as well as in many other incidents. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Wikihounding_from_User:WordSeventeen 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 19:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
There appears to be some disagreement between editors as to what content to place in the article regarding the recent supreme court decision to lift the injunction barring publication of Rhode's autobiography. I recommend that editors use this section to agree on sources and formulate what to add. There does appear to be controversial content and solid sourcing is of course needed. Cheers all, Tgeairn ( talk) 02:58, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Having read this article, and the judgments in both Supreme Court and Court of Appeal. I have an issue with publication of details about the most recent litigation surrounding him. Especially this:
"In 2015 Rhodes was blocked from publishing his autobiography by a temporary court injunction prompted by his former wife. She said that publishing the book, which includes details of sexual abuse as a child, would psychologically harm their child, who has been diagnosed with Asperger's, ADHD, dyspraxia and dysgraphia. In May 2015, the Supreme Court decided that the book qualifies for free speech protection and lifted the interim injunction."
As the text itself notes, the whole issue of the case was about protecting the Child. The Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court both noted in their Judgments that the Child has found this Wikipedia article (FWIW, I also have Asperger syndrome so I know what it's like, and I can guess his train of thought). If he sees any references to the Book in the article, he might very well try to find the Book (which isn't too hard to imagine, given that he has alraedy found this Article). The point is that if the Child isn't meant to find out about the book, then posting details of it on a Wikipedia page which he has already found, it's possible that he might then go on and work out that there is a Book which - even though he isn't mean to read it - he will try and read. The Historian ( talk) 15:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
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Should check for articles/reliable sources coming up about this dispute with Sony for a Bach performance uploaded on Facebook: https://twitter.com/JRhodesPianist/status/1036929244654460928 -- Nemo 12:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Spanish law (proposal?) related to James Rhodes. Maybe best to wait to see comments at https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discusi%C3%B3n:James_Rhodes#Ley_Rhodes to find best sources. Jgvictores ( talk) 13:01, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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It could well be written by James Rhodes, but anyway it is a touching document. There could be reasons to clean it up, but please keep the aspect that (the classical) music can help a troubled soul and that the art has another message than just being "art". I have just listened to a Danish pianist (Katrine Gislinge) explaining her aversion against playing at a concert where it has to be "art" and how hard it can be to set up yourself. So a Wikipedia article about an artist with another bid on how concert life could be is very welcome. -- d-axel ( talk) 20:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The article includes this: "he was sent to a local public school where he experienced abuse by his gym teacher." However, it then goes on to say that at 13 he went to Harrow. In the UK a public school is normally attended from age 13 onwards, so I am a bit puzzled about why he is said to have attended public school before going to what most people would regard as "going to public school", i.e. Harrow. Normally in the UK a boy who is destined for public school goes to prep school up to the age of 13. The only other explanation that I can think of would be if he went to one of the very minor public schools which admit pupils from 11, like a normal secondary school, and did the first two years of a public school with entry at 11 in lieu of the last two years of a prep school. That would be strange, as public schools that take pupils at 11 do not then prepare pupils to leave two years later via the Common Entrance exam. This leaves me wondering how he was prepared for Common Entrance, if he was already at public school. Better still, can no sources tell us which school he attended? Given that the sexual abuse took place at this school it would in some ways be of more biographical interest than Harrow, which seems not to have had such a big impact on the rest of his life.-- 2.218.202.1 ( talk) 10:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Why is his ex-wife's name consistently removed?— chbarts ( talk) 07:09, 24 May 2015 (UTC) His ex-wife is a public figure (a popular writer) and thus, has put herself in the public sphere. It doesn't seem like she should have the right to censor this page. (The ex-wife did not edit this page. It was Lighinlondon and I am not the ex-wife. - My apologies to Wikipedia. I'm s new user and was not aware of the "edit war" rule. I was simply trying to protect the interest of the son - nothing to do with the mother or James Rhodes.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 21:45, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
The information about the name of his ex-wife is available on other web sites and thus, should not be censored on Wikipedia. The injunction was lifted by the UK Supreme Court who said it never should have been placed in the first place. The fact that a popular writer (who thus is also a public figure) has tried to suppress (and succeeded for a time) the writings of another writer is important public information, and that popular writer should not be allowed to censor Wikipedia (part of her motivation for doing so would obviously be her concern about how her action to censor her ex might negatively affect her book sales). Wikipedia should not be a party to such censorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 18:48, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
There's no reason, legal or otherwise, to censor her nationality, country of residence, or occupation, as the UK Supreme Court has clearly made that public information. There is really no reason to censor her name - there is certainly no legal reason for her name not to appear in Wikipedia as Rhodes's ex-wife. Rhodes's ex-wife never should have filed for the injunction. It was never going to succeed, and her lawyers should have been frank with her about that. All the publicity it has brought only damages her reputation (especially as a popular novelist, as writers should not attempt to censor other writers). Additionally, it only increases public knowledge of Rhodes's book, which is really a good thing, but not at all what she intended to do. Any negative effect on their son is the responsibility of the ex-wife. Had she handled publication of the book more appropriately and dealt intelligently with any questions their son might have had, it would simply have empowered their son. Censoring of the Wikipedia page only does further damage, and may lead to more publicity, if the press decides to write an article about the censorship! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 23:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
The name of Rhodes's ex-wife, and the fact that she was *his* ex-wife, was in the public domain before this case was filed. The full-text of the UK Supreme Court's decision (point 29; https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2014-0251-judgment.pdf) specifically says that its initial prohibition (before the case was decided on May 20, 2015, at which point the injunction was lifted) of making public information did NOT apply to information that was in the public domain prior to 1 September 2014. Additionally, per point 26 of the UK Supreme Court decision, the interim injunction prohibited ONLY THE DEFENDANTS from making information public. The prohibition did not apply to other members of the public, or indeed, the press.
The full text of the UK Supreme Court's decision has point 2 which includes, in part, as follows( https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2014-0251-judgment.pdf):
The video recording of the UK Supreme Court's reading of its decision includes the fact that the mother is an American writer, now living in the US; that information is considered PUBLIC by the UK Supreme Court ( https://www.supremecourt.uk/watch/uksc-2014-0251/judgment.html) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 22:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I removed this section of text for now "James and Canongate were held to a temporary injunction, filed by his American ex-wife (also a writer), against publishing the book pending a full trial. The injunction was granted on the claim that the details about the severity of the sexual abuse Rhodes suffered as a child, as well as subsequent mental illness, would be harmful to his son and was 'toxic material'. However, on May 20, 2015, UK Supreme Court lifted the interim injunction (video of decision; full text of decision; UK Supreme Court press summary) that had prevented the defendants (Rhodes and publisher) from publicly speaking about certain personal details relating to the abuse and his subsequent struggles with mental health (prohibited items were listed in Confidential Schedules to the initial temporary injunction (now overturned);) Please remember "This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libelous."
A trial has not yet taken place. Cheers! WordSeventeen ( talk) 23:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
There is no blatant BLP issue here. You are abusing that. The UK Supreme Court website is not a weak source; including information from the UK Supreme Court decision is not libelous or contention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 01:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Note: WordSeventeen has been blocked by Wikipedia for a month, and his Pending Changes Reviewer and Rollback rights have been revoked, for his disruptive editing practices, which included his disruptive editing of material at the James Rhodes page (above provides discussion of that incident), as well as in many other incidents. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Wikihounding_from_User:WordSeventeen 131.191.80.213 ( talk) 19:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
There appears to be some disagreement between editors as to what content to place in the article regarding the recent supreme court decision to lift the injunction barring publication of Rhode's autobiography. I recommend that editors use this section to agree on sources and formulate what to add. There does appear to be controversial content and solid sourcing is of course needed. Cheers all, Tgeairn ( talk) 02:58, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Having read this article, and the judgments in both Supreme Court and Court of Appeal. I have an issue with publication of details about the most recent litigation surrounding him. Especially this:
"In 2015 Rhodes was blocked from publishing his autobiography by a temporary court injunction prompted by his former wife. She said that publishing the book, which includes details of sexual abuse as a child, would psychologically harm their child, who has been diagnosed with Asperger's, ADHD, dyspraxia and dysgraphia. In May 2015, the Supreme Court decided that the book qualifies for free speech protection and lifted the interim injunction."
As the text itself notes, the whole issue of the case was about protecting the Child. The Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court both noted in their Judgments that the Child has found this Wikipedia article (FWIW, I also have Asperger syndrome so I know what it's like, and I can guess his train of thought). If he sees any references to the Book in the article, he might very well try to find the Book (which isn't too hard to imagine, given that he has alraedy found this Article). The point is that if the Child isn't meant to find out about the book, then posting details of it on a Wikipedia page which he has already found, it's possible that he might then go on and work out that there is a Book which - even though he isn't mean to read it - he will try and read. The Historian ( talk) 15:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
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Should check for articles/reliable sources coming up about this dispute with Sony for a Bach performance uploaded on Facebook: https://twitter.com/JRhodesPianist/status/1036929244654460928 -- Nemo 12:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Spanish law (proposal?) related to James Rhodes. Maybe best to wait to see comments at https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discusi%C3%B3n:James_Rhodes#Ley_Rhodes to find best sources. Jgvictores ( talk) 13:01, 25 April 2022 (UTC)