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While I don't doubt he scored high, the 57 is a very dubious figure, since RFC (& RAF later) didn't keep official records, & WW1 attribution wasn't exactly rigorous. TREKphiler hit me ♠ 01:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
The reference for McCudden's 'score' comes from the 'Above the Trenches' by C. Shores, N. Franks & R. Guest (Grub street 1990). This information is in turn obtained from Combat Reports and Communiques held on file at the Ministry of Defence- the nearest to 'official records' we are going to get. I agree care needs to be taken in simple direct comparisions with French and German ace tallies, hence I am trying to split out the totals listed in the Wikipedia RFC/RNAS/RAF ace biographies, in order for the reader to get a little perspective on how aces 'totals' have come to be. Thanks Harryurz ( talk) 13:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, about the sentence: "James McCudden was born in Gillingham, Kent to ex-Sergeant-Major William H. McCudden and his wife Amelia of "Pitlochry", 37 Burton Road, Kingston-on-Thames, London. Two of his brothers Willie (killed in 1915) and Jack (killed in 1918) were also military pilots." I'd say it doesn't really make sense at all. I got confused with the "37 Burton Road, Kingston-on-Thames, London" Doet it refer to where were they living at the moment, or what? -- Mezod ( talk) 15:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
McCudden was the main combatant in one of the most notable air battles of World War I, and it is not even mentioned in this article.
Long story short, McCudden led B Flight 56 Squadron in its attack on Werner Voss. 23 September 1917 over Langemark-Poelkapelle. Voss sent down four out of eight British machines before he was killed and his flashy new Fokker Triplane augered in.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 03:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
The passage describing M's fatal accident had got a bit cryptic. An engine failure just after takeoff was (remains in fact) a dangerous situation, as airspeed and altitude are both very low. If he thinks he has enough altitude a pilot may be tempted to turn and land (downwind) from where he has just taken off - it is usually safer to put the nose down for an immediate forced landing. "Spin" is a funny verb - as a transitive verb (meaning "to spin something") is is sometimes strong (spin, span, spun) - as an intransitive verb ("to spin around") it is always weak (spin, spun, spun). In fact Wiktionary calls "span" archaic. -- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 23:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
The main thrust of these was getting rid of sentences (paraphrased or lifted from sources?) that were a little "over-dramatic" for an encyclopedia article, and otherwise improving the prose. Guttman's conviction that M was Von R's "fifteenth victory", while far too interesting to be omitted, remains outside the general historical consensus - I have done some rearrangement and tweaking over this paragraph to reflect this.
Must say I'm most impressed with all the hard work that has gone into this article recently - we must be at "B" already, surely! -- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 00:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
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While I don't doubt he scored high, the 57 is a very dubious figure, since RFC (& RAF later) didn't keep official records, & WW1 attribution wasn't exactly rigorous. TREKphiler hit me ♠ 01:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
The reference for McCudden's 'score' comes from the 'Above the Trenches' by C. Shores, N. Franks & R. Guest (Grub street 1990). This information is in turn obtained from Combat Reports and Communiques held on file at the Ministry of Defence- the nearest to 'official records' we are going to get. I agree care needs to be taken in simple direct comparisions with French and German ace tallies, hence I am trying to split out the totals listed in the Wikipedia RFC/RNAS/RAF ace biographies, in order for the reader to get a little perspective on how aces 'totals' have come to be. Thanks Harryurz ( talk) 13:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, about the sentence: "James McCudden was born in Gillingham, Kent to ex-Sergeant-Major William H. McCudden and his wife Amelia of "Pitlochry", 37 Burton Road, Kingston-on-Thames, London. Two of his brothers Willie (killed in 1915) and Jack (killed in 1918) were also military pilots." I'd say it doesn't really make sense at all. I got confused with the "37 Burton Road, Kingston-on-Thames, London" Doet it refer to where were they living at the moment, or what? -- Mezod ( talk) 15:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
McCudden was the main combatant in one of the most notable air battles of World War I, and it is not even mentioned in this article.
Long story short, McCudden led B Flight 56 Squadron in its attack on Werner Voss. 23 September 1917 over Langemark-Poelkapelle. Voss sent down four out of eight British machines before he was killed and his flashy new Fokker Triplane augered in.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 03:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
The passage describing M's fatal accident had got a bit cryptic. An engine failure just after takeoff was (remains in fact) a dangerous situation, as airspeed and altitude are both very low. If he thinks he has enough altitude a pilot may be tempted to turn and land (downwind) from where he has just taken off - it is usually safer to put the nose down for an immediate forced landing. "Spin" is a funny verb - as a transitive verb (meaning "to spin something") is is sometimes strong (spin, span, spun) - as an intransitive verb ("to spin around") it is always weak (spin, spun, spun). In fact Wiktionary calls "span" archaic. -- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 23:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
The main thrust of these was getting rid of sentences (paraphrased or lifted from sources?) that were a little "over-dramatic" for an encyclopedia article, and otherwise improving the prose. Guttman's conviction that M was Von R's "fifteenth victory", while far too interesting to be omitted, remains outside the general historical consensus - I have done some rearrangement and tweaking over this paragraph to reflect this.
Must say I'm most impressed with all the hard work that has gone into this article recently - we must be at "B" already, surely! -- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 00:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
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Down to the "Back to the frontline" section - will continue later.
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