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@ EMBLYN: The sources seem quite numerous and The Herald (Glasgow) is a wp:reliable source. This is a biography, not a hagiography. All information good and bad gets reported. The only valid reason for removal is that Heappey did not say "why don't you fuck off back to Scotland" to a sixth-former girl? Did he or didn't he? Per wp:BRD please obtain consensus before removal. Jim1138 ( talk) 07:02, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
removal of poorly sourced factually inaccurate content unsuited to a biography of a living person. When reverted, Emblyn removed the section again, [2] with the edit summary
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The most reputable news source covering this story is the Guardian, which gives the quote as 'fuck off' rather than 'fuck off back to Scotland'. The same Guardian article contains a denial from Mr Heappey that he said 'fuck off back to Scotland'. This should be reflected in the wikipedia entry. Further, the opinions of Nicola Sturgeon and Tessa Munt are not relevant on this article, and should be included on their respective wikipedia entries. May I suggest the '2017 general election' is replaced with the following:
2017 general election During the 2017 general election, he was criticised for swearing at a sixth form student during a debate on the proposed second Scottish independence referendum at Millfield school in Street, Somerset. Heappey subsequently apologised to the student concerned, acknowledging that his comment, although intended as a joke, was inappropriate. He denied media reports that he told the teenager to “fuck off back to Scotland”. Trelawder ( talk) 07:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC) — Trelawder ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
the (predictable) reactions of political opponents, but Davidson is a member of the same party as Heappey. It is important to include all three, to note the cross-party nature of the condemnation. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:45, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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14:38, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Heavy recommendation for page edit... The section on the 2017 election is very close to being libellous, as well as 'fake news'. The contentious points where it verges very heavily towards tabloid journalism are: 1 "In his apology, Heappey claimed that that the comment had been intended as a joke." - what credentials or authority does the author of this to question whether Heappey 'claimed' it as a joke or otherwise - facts must be reported not opinion. 2. Heappey asked pupils how they would vote in the proposed second Scottish independence referendum, and a Scottish girl said she would support independence.[22] - source misquoted, further potential libel!! If you look at Daily Mirror article, they note that the it's only claimed he asked the 6th form for voting intentions from another unconfirmed source. Autobot1392 ( talk) 20:46, 17 May 2017 (UTC) — Autobot1392 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
It's worrying that the entry referenced in this thread does not strike a bi-partisan tone and is unnecessarily derogatory. From a legal standpoint, there's a lot of hearsay and not enough counterbalance. The other party involved, the girl, has not commented and the apology has been accepted. There have also been no complaints made by either school girl, school friends, father, school or anyone else. Autobot1392 ( talk) 20:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC) — Autobot1392 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Heappey claimed that that the comment had been intended as a joke. The source is the Guardian [4], which says that he apologised for telling a Scottish schoolgirl to “fuck off”. That much is uncontested. The Guardian report says he denied reports that he told the teenager to “fuck off back to Scotland”. I agree that nobody can judge his intentions either way, so we can only report his comment. Would some other word be better than "claimed"? How about "said"?
Heappey asked pupils how they would vote in the proposed second Scottish independence referendum, and a Scottish girl said she would support independence. This is supported by the Scotsman [5], The Daily Mirror [6], Somerset Live [7]. Those newspapers are evidently all happy with their source.
Over the last few days there has been a massive spike in page views of this article. From a long-term average of ~25 views per day, it shot up in the last few days to ~1000 a day, due to Heappey's involvement in a controversy.
Inevitably, that has brought a flurry of edits by IPs and new editors, all of which are so far single-purpose accounts. Unfortunately some of them have simply edit-warred to remove sourced content, so at my request the page has now been semi-protected.
The article would benefit from being watched by more experienced editors, so I have made an identically-worded request for watchers at WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom [8], WikiProject Somerset [9] and WikiProject Scotland [10].
I hope that more eyes will help to ensure that the article conforms with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:40, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
In June 2020 this page was updated to include a section relating to Heappey's Military Honours. This revision was suggested by an IP user who has since not made any further contributions. The "Honours" section lacks any references and I think it's continued presence on this page should require that citations be provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jono1011 ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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@ EMBLYN: The sources seem quite numerous and The Herald (Glasgow) is a wp:reliable source. This is a biography, not a hagiography. All information good and bad gets reported. The only valid reason for removal is that Heappey did not say "why don't you fuck off back to Scotland" to a sixth-former girl? Did he or didn't he? Per wp:BRD please obtain consensus before removal. Jim1138 ( talk) 07:02, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
removal of poorly sourced factually inaccurate content unsuited to a biography of a living person. When reverted, Emblyn removed the section again, [2] with the edit summary
Tabloid journalism sources inappropriate for biography of living person.
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The most reputable news source covering this story is the Guardian, which gives the quote as 'fuck off' rather than 'fuck off back to Scotland'. The same Guardian article contains a denial from Mr Heappey that he said 'fuck off back to Scotland'. This should be reflected in the wikipedia entry. Further, the opinions of Nicola Sturgeon and Tessa Munt are not relevant on this article, and should be included on their respective wikipedia entries. May I suggest the '2017 general election' is replaced with the following:
2017 general election During the 2017 general election, he was criticised for swearing at a sixth form student during a debate on the proposed second Scottish independence referendum at Millfield school in Street, Somerset. Heappey subsequently apologised to the student concerned, acknowledging that his comment, although intended as a joke, was inappropriate. He denied media reports that he told the teenager to “fuck off back to Scotland”. Trelawder ( talk) 07:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC) — Trelawder ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
the (predictable) reactions of political opponents, but Davidson is a member of the same party as Heappey. It is important to include all three, to note the cross-party nature of the condemnation. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:45, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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14:38, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Heavy recommendation for page edit... The section on the 2017 election is very close to being libellous, as well as 'fake news'. The contentious points where it verges very heavily towards tabloid journalism are: 1 "In his apology, Heappey claimed that that the comment had been intended as a joke." - what credentials or authority does the author of this to question whether Heappey 'claimed' it as a joke or otherwise - facts must be reported not opinion. 2. Heappey asked pupils how they would vote in the proposed second Scottish independence referendum, and a Scottish girl said she would support independence.[22] - source misquoted, further potential libel!! If you look at Daily Mirror article, they note that the it's only claimed he asked the 6th form for voting intentions from another unconfirmed source. Autobot1392 ( talk) 20:46, 17 May 2017 (UTC) — Autobot1392 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
It's worrying that the entry referenced in this thread does not strike a bi-partisan tone and is unnecessarily derogatory. From a legal standpoint, there's a lot of hearsay and not enough counterbalance. The other party involved, the girl, has not commented and the apology has been accepted. There have also been no complaints made by either school girl, school friends, father, school or anyone else. Autobot1392 ( talk) 20:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC) — Autobot1392 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Heappey claimed that that the comment had been intended as a joke. The source is the Guardian [4], which says that he apologised for telling a Scottish schoolgirl to “fuck off”. That much is uncontested. The Guardian report says he denied reports that he told the teenager to “fuck off back to Scotland”. I agree that nobody can judge his intentions either way, so we can only report his comment. Would some other word be better than "claimed"? How about "said"?
Heappey asked pupils how they would vote in the proposed second Scottish independence referendum, and a Scottish girl said she would support independence. This is supported by the Scotsman [5], The Daily Mirror [6], Somerset Live [7]. Those newspapers are evidently all happy with their source.
Over the last few days there has been a massive spike in page views of this article. From a long-term average of ~25 views per day, it shot up in the last few days to ~1000 a day, due to Heappey's involvement in a controversy.
Inevitably, that has brought a flurry of edits by IPs and new editors, all of which are so far single-purpose accounts. Unfortunately some of them have simply edit-warred to remove sourced content, so at my request the page has now been semi-protected.
The article would benefit from being watched by more experienced editors, so I have made an identically-worded request for watchers at WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom [8], WikiProject Somerset [9] and WikiProject Scotland [10].
I hope that more eyes will help to ensure that the article conforms with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:40, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
In June 2020 this page was updated to include a section relating to Heappey's Military Honours. This revision was suggested by an IP user who has since not made any further contributions. The "Honours" section lacks any references and I think it's continued presence on this page should require that citations be provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jono1011 ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
The redirect
Matthew Heappey has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 8 § Matthew Heappey until a consensus is reached.
John Womble (
talk)
11:21, 8 August 2023 (UTC)