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What is a cribhouse? Ewlyahoocom 04:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Let's list them! All I know is that he had a car accident once...
Oh, you wouldn't want that. Well, maybe you would, but I've been collecting Nicoll stories for the past several years; I've got something over 4000 lines (at 72 chars a line) of them. Admittedly, the last half or so is mostly about cats, because his cats (did I mention he's allergic to cats, and has nine of them, almost all rescued ferals?) keep doing odd things, but once he's told his past injury stories, they kind of slow down to a few a year. Anyway, there are a lot of injury stories, all told in a dry, understated, tone.
Here's one of them:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/0119c50b5ba0819d?dmode=source
Note the casual mention near the end of how "when I was a kid I was always excessively cautious, especially after the dog mauling and the fatal car crash."
I've considered putting my collection up on the web, but if I were to do it I'd want to do it right, with cross-referencing and indices and all, and a) I'm HTML incompetant, and b) I'm lazy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.17.22.215 ( talk) 15:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
Please review the history of this article before Tagging it again. Continually having this article tagged and cleared is tedious and an unnecessary waste of everybody's time. -- Anton P. Nym 216.191.213.114 16:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Isn't Nicoll responsible for the existence of Lawrence Watt-Evans's most recent Ethshar novels? By saying that he would pay good money for LWE to write new Ethshar novels, this led so many other people to agree with him that LWE offered to write The Spriggan Mirror according to the Street Performer Protocol... and this worked so well that LWE has now written a second novel this way, and is preparing a third one. DS 22:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Claims of vandalism on my edits are truly unfounded. Every edit has been clearly justified. Citations must accurately reflect what the source material say. Weasel words must be accounted for by proper attributions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.7 ( talk) 01:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
'Brain eater' is a cute little neologism - however you need to provide a source for the definition. None of the citations so far have identified WHAT 'brain eater' are, and to do so without sources is ORIGINAL RESEARCH and not alloweed in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.7 ( talk) 21:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Hogan refs: http://www.bookcase.com/~claudia/mt/archives/000650.html http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/msg/3a74db29a378558b http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/da7b1358279384f0 I don't have time to make them look nice so I'm dumping them here. not just Hogan: http://www.steelypips.org/library/0703.html http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/sf/laith.htm http://greatsfandf.com/from-listed.php http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/msg/1b63f4d25313724f http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/msg/b6db4da9e15673e1 (which gets into actual definition) Enjoy. -- Mindstalk 22:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
So why didn't YOU add that to the article instead of reverting my request for a citation and identifying it vandalism?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.39 ( talk) 05:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I am sure that Nicoll Events are a lot of fun. However, without a source to describing them, they are ORIGINAL RESEARCH and not allowed in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.7 ( talk) 21:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
James Nicoll is a blogger, denizen of rec.arts.sf.written, game and book reviewer, cat rescuer, and all-around swell person living in Kitchener Ontario. He is story prone, and has a very nice style of relating those stories (IMHO, naturally). These are some of the stories.
To claim 'dry wit', 'by-word in fandom' from this cite is clearly Original Research.
Now really, how many of you would actually consider turning in a college research paper (or even a high school paper) claiming postings from Google Groups as a source????? And if you did, what kind of grade do you think you would get? 4.158.222.216 01:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
It is not my responsibility to find and include information. It is the job of those who think the subject of the article is notable to provide such information. I am fairly certain I did not delete any information that was sourced whether or not I found the source reliable (go back and check the edit history) - I did specify within the article who the sources were so that readers could easily decide how much weight they wanted to give each statement without having to look up the information. I also restructured the article in a way that additional information could be added that would bolster the notability of the article. The automatic reverts to versions that misquote the alleged sources and accusations of vandalism when requesting sources do not have a feeling of good faith. Biographic writing may not go through 'peer review', but reliable sources have seen some type of editorial oversight and are not just random claims. 207.69.137.10 18:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a fan page. Wikipedia is a collection of notable material that is drawn from reliable verifiable sources. The material within a wikipedia article must be accuarately sourced and NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.27 ( talk) 16:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Nicoll Events Over the years Nicoll has had without additional citations showing the authenticity of each event, the proper wording supported by the source would be Nicoll relates
a number of life-and-or-limb-threatening accidents happen to him, which he has told and retold on various science fiction fandom related newsgroups. He gained such a reputation for these accidents that regular posters in rec.arts.sf.written and rec.arts.sf.fandom term any serious accident in which the poster lives to tell the tale a "Nicoll Event"; <that claim requires some type of evidence to support it or it is merely WP:OR
and the terminology has spilled over to other portions of the Internet. <That claim is even more in need of a source
Over the years these events have also been collected into a canonical <beware use of WP:Peacock words list called Cally Soukup's List of Nicoll events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.11 ( talk) 05:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Having reviewed every Earthink Anon edit to the article since 10/21/2007 I proudly claim that I have made each one. Over 90% have relevant information about the change in the edit history and each and every one is a valid application of Wikipedia Guidelines and Policies.
So now you have an account to block the next time I request a citation from a reliable source for an unsupported claim. - oops that may be violating WP:Good faith. You gonna report me for that? SavingJDNfromthefilk 06:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Usenet is the medium, soc.history.what-if is the channel, Google Groups is only an archive. If Gareth Wilson had used Google to post the item in question, the phrase "a post on Google Groups" would be defensible, but he evidently used the news server at ext.canterbury.ac.nz. I'd be pleased if someone would not change "soc.history.what-if" back to "Google Groups" ... again. I'd be even more pleased if Xihr had said which of my language changes constituted "problematic English" rather than simply reverting them all; my purpose was in part to improve language that I found "problematic", and I'd like to know where I went wrong. — Tamfang 08:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The admin in the 2007 AfD cited a comment that Nicoll's influence in SF was a major reason for keep decision. Please put efforts toward proving the claim of influence by expanding this section, with reliable sources WP:RS of course. 207.69.137.35 04:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Claims made in Wikipedia have to be from WP:RS and need to be verifiable. Some person making a cliam on Usenet or in their blog has not gone through any editorial review and will seldom satisfy WP's reliable source requirement as as secondary source. The official blog of an editor of a major SF publishing house, or an official blog from WorldCon or GenCon would likely satisfy me as a reliable source. My blog at Ihearfilk,com would not. SavingJDNfromthefilk 12:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
While I focused on (from the AfD): Patrick Nielsen Hayden writes "...Nicoll is an aphorist and raconteur well known to--and influential upon--several different overlapping circles of professional SF and fantasy writers. As a frequent first reader for the SF Book Club his editorial judgement has a non-trivial impact on the field as well..."
PNH goes on to imply that:
1) Members of the SF community can't/won't/don't write about themselves and traditional biographers/reasearches won't/don't either (they are too busy writing about entertainers, politicians and authors who write <looking down my nose> lit-ra-choor</being snooty>{or})
meaning that
2) There are not as many standard secondary sources reflecting members of the SF world as there are for some other people
from which one might conclude (but I don't and I hope the WP admin didn't)
3) So the SF community is special and WP rules of reliable sources shouldn't apply to US. SavingJDNfromthefilk 11:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Claims of 'brain eaters' appear to violate WP:BLP when applied to living persons. I have removed the reference to Card since the claim was not made by Nicoll and does not appear to be verifiable and as such is questionable material for this article. SavingJDNfromthefilk 12:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
this cite: M., Omega (2007-06-05). "Brain eater": A phrase I hate. Hatrack River Forum. Retrieved on 2007-10-30. , while outside of Usenet, is not actually a 'use' of the term outside of Usenet, but simply a criticism of the use of the term IN Usenet 207.69.137.29 05:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
"While the particular concept of the Nicoll-Dyson Laser is new,[citation needed]" How does one cite the newness of an idea? Mindstalk ( talk) 06:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm with Martin on this; I didn't have time to really look at the edit until today (it's been a busy week) and as mentioned, I watch this page, but try not to participate too much because of the decades of knowing him, but we're not talking about 'hey, some chick wrote a poem about him', but instead that an award-winning SF author thought the Nicoll Events (which we've had problems keeping established as a known event) were worth writing about (even in a poem). The ESU was what caught my attention; we're not inserting the poem, but we're saying 'it's a term of note in the sf community', followed by a citation and 'here's proof that well-known people have thought it significant'. It should stay. -- Thespian ( talk) 17:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I reverted edits by NeonMerlin who made the strange claim that Nicoll is in the fiction business which is clearly not true. Nicoll is known as an essayist and reviewer, not a fiction writer. Shsilver ( talk) 21:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
The following text has been reverted by other editors:
A fictional depiction of a Nicoll-Dyson Laser can be found here [http://eg.orionsarm.com/xcms.php?r=oaeg-view-article&egart_uid=48fe49fe47202 on the Orion's Arm website].
on the grounds of it not being a notable or verifiable reliable source. How are those relevant, here? It's a fictional concept and a fictional depiction. What's to "verify"? What's to be notable about an external link? The concept is in the Wikipage, and the OA page illustrates the concept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindstalk ( talk • contribs) 02:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
The main point is why link? So a non-reliable source mentions this concept. What does this add to the article? Nothing. -- The Red Pen of Doom 22:16, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hm, there are 48 incoming links but two are disambiguation, two are redirects, two are article talk pages, three are Wikipedia talk, four are User pages, twelve are User talk, and 21 are WP: — leaving two: Usenet celebrity and When Heaven Fell. Is that enough? — Tamfang ( talk) 03:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The linguist quotation has been mentioned and explained, with proper attribution, in the independent Chinese newspaper Ming Pao. The quotation was in Dr. John Larrysson's ESL language column on 15/8/2012.
http://english.mingpao.com/cfm/database3b.cfm?File=20120815/livenlearn/c28.txt
- a newbie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.103.185.203 ( talk) 04:45, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
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What is a cribhouse? Ewlyahoocom 04:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Let's list them! All I know is that he had a car accident once...
Oh, you wouldn't want that. Well, maybe you would, but I've been collecting Nicoll stories for the past several years; I've got something over 4000 lines (at 72 chars a line) of them. Admittedly, the last half or so is mostly about cats, because his cats (did I mention he's allergic to cats, and has nine of them, almost all rescued ferals?) keep doing odd things, but once he's told his past injury stories, they kind of slow down to a few a year. Anyway, there are a lot of injury stories, all told in a dry, understated, tone.
Here's one of them:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/0119c50b5ba0819d?dmode=source
Note the casual mention near the end of how "when I was a kid I was always excessively cautious, especially after the dog mauling and the fatal car crash."
I've considered putting my collection up on the web, but if I were to do it I'd want to do it right, with cross-referencing and indices and all, and a) I'm HTML incompetant, and b) I'm lazy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.17.22.215 ( talk) 15:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
Please review the history of this article before Tagging it again. Continually having this article tagged and cleared is tedious and an unnecessary waste of everybody's time. -- Anton P. Nym 216.191.213.114 16:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Isn't Nicoll responsible for the existence of Lawrence Watt-Evans's most recent Ethshar novels? By saying that he would pay good money for LWE to write new Ethshar novels, this led so many other people to agree with him that LWE offered to write The Spriggan Mirror according to the Street Performer Protocol... and this worked so well that LWE has now written a second novel this way, and is preparing a third one. DS 22:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Claims of vandalism on my edits are truly unfounded. Every edit has been clearly justified. Citations must accurately reflect what the source material say. Weasel words must be accounted for by proper attributions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.7 ( talk) 01:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
'Brain eater' is a cute little neologism - however you need to provide a source for the definition. None of the citations so far have identified WHAT 'brain eater' are, and to do so without sources is ORIGINAL RESEARCH and not alloweed in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.7 ( talk) 21:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Hogan refs: http://www.bookcase.com/~claudia/mt/archives/000650.html http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/msg/3a74db29a378558b http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/da7b1358279384f0 I don't have time to make them look nice so I'm dumping them here. not just Hogan: http://www.steelypips.org/library/0703.html http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/sf/laith.htm http://greatsfandf.com/from-listed.php http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/msg/1b63f4d25313724f http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/msg/b6db4da9e15673e1 (which gets into actual definition) Enjoy. -- Mindstalk 22:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
So why didn't YOU add that to the article instead of reverting my request for a citation and identifying it vandalism?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.39 ( talk) 05:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I am sure that Nicoll Events are a lot of fun. However, without a source to describing them, they are ORIGINAL RESEARCH and not allowed in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.7 ( talk) 21:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
James Nicoll is a blogger, denizen of rec.arts.sf.written, game and book reviewer, cat rescuer, and all-around swell person living in Kitchener Ontario. He is story prone, and has a very nice style of relating those stories (IMHO, naturally). These are some of the stories.
To claim 'dry wit', 'by-word in fandom' from this cite is clearly Original Research.
Now really, how many of you would actually consider turning in a college research paper (or even a high school paper) claiming postings from Google Groups as a source????? And if you did, what kind of grade do you think you would get? 4.158.222.216 01:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
It is not my responsibility to find and include information. It is the job of those who think the subject of the article is notable to provide such information. I am fairly certain I did not delete any information that was sourced whether or not I found the source reliable (go back and check the edit history) - I did specify within the article who the sources were so that readers could easily decide how much weight they wanted to give each statement without having to look up the information. I also restructured the article in a way that additional information could be added that would bolster the notability of the article. The automatic reverts to versions that misquote the alleged sources and accusations of vandalism when requesting sources do not have a feeling of good faith. Biographic writing may not go through 'peer review', but reliable sources have seen some type of editorial oversight and are not just random claims. 207.69.137.10 18:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a fan page. Wikipedia is a collection of notable material that is drawn from reliable verifiable sources. The material within a wikipedia article must be accuarately sourced and NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.27 ( talk) 16:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Nicoll Events Over the years Nicoll has had without additional citations showing the authenticity of each event, the proper wording supported by the source would be Nicoll relates
a number of life-and-or-limb-threatening accidents happen to him, which he has told and retold on various science fiction fandom related newsgroups. He gained such a reputation for these accidents that regular posters in rec.arts.sf.written and rec.arts.sf.fandom term any serious accident in which the poster lives to tell the tale a "Nicoll Event"; <that claim requires some type of evidence to support it or it is merely WP:OR
and the terminology has spilled over to other portions of the Internet. <That claim is even more in need of a source
Over the years these events have also been collected into a canonical <beware use of WP:Peacock words list called Cally Soukup's List of Nicoll events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.11 ( talk) 05:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Having reviewed every Earthink Anon edit to the article since 10/21/2007 I proudly claim that I have made each one. Over 90% have relevant information about the change in the edit history and each and every one is a valid application of Wikipedia Guidelines and Policies.
So now you have an account to block the next time I request a citation from a reliable source for an unsupported claim. - oops that may be violating WP:Good faith. You gonna report me for that? SavingJDNfromthefilk 06:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Usenet is the medium, soc.history.what-if is the channel, Google Groups is only an archive. If Gareth Wilson had used Google to post the item in question, the phrase "a post on Google Groups" would be defensible, but he evidently used the news server at ext.canterbury.ac.nz. I'd be pleased if someone would not change "soc.history.what-if" back to "Google Groups" ... again. I'd be even more pleased if Xihr had said which of my language changes constituted "problematic English" rather than simply reverting them all; my purpose was in part to improve language that I found "problematic", and I'd like to know where I went wrong. — Tamfang 08:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The admin in the 2007 AfD cited a comment that Nicoll's influence in SF was a major reason for keep decision. Please put efforts toward proving the claim of influence by expanding this section, with reliable sources WP:RS of course. 207.69.137.35 04:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Claims made in Wikipedia have to be from WP:RS and need to be verifiable. Some person making a cliam on Usenet or in their blog has not gone through any editorial review and will seldom satisfy WP's reliable source requirement as as secondary source. The official blog of an editor of a major SF publishing house, or an official blog from WorldCon or GenCon would likely satisfy me as a reliable source. My blog at Ihearfilk,com would not. SavingJDNfromthefilk 12:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
While I focused on (from the AfD): Patrick Nielsen Hayden writes "...Nicoll is an aphorist and raconteur well known to--and influential upon--several different overlapping circles of professional SF and fantasy writers. As a frequent first reader for the SF Book Club his editorial judgement has a non-trivial impact on the field as well..."
PNH goes on to imply that:
1) Members of the SF community can't/won't/don't write about themselves and traditional biographers/reasearches won't/don't either (they are too busy writing about entertainers, politicians and authors who write <looking down my nose> lit-ra-choor</being snooty>{or})
meaning that
2) There are not as many standard secondary sources reflecting members of the SF world as there are for some other people
from which one might conclude (but I don't and I hope the WP admin didn't)
3) So the SF community is special and WP rules of reliable sources shouldn't apply to US. SavingJDNfromthefilk 11:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Claims of 'brain eaters' appear to violate WP:BLP when applied to living persons. I have removed the reference to Card since the claim was not made by Nicoll and does not appear to be verifiable and as such is questionable material for this article. SavingJDNfromthefilk 12:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
this cite: M., Omega (2007-06-05). "Brain eater": A phrase I hate. Hatrack River Forum. Retrieved on 2007-10-30. , while outside of Usenet, is not actually a 'use' of the term outside of Usenet, but simply a criticism of the use of the term IN Usenet 207.69.137.29 05:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
"While the particular concept of the Nicoll-Dyson Laser is new,[citation needed]" How does one cite the newness of an idea? Mindstalk ( talk) 06:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm with Martin on this; I didn't have time to really look at the edit until today (it's been a busy week) and as mentioned, I watch this page, but try not to participate too much because of the decades of knowing him, but we're not talking about 'hey, some chick wrote a poem about him', but instead that an award-winning SF author thought the Nicoll Events (which we've had problems keeping established as a known event) were worth writing about (even in a poem). The ESU was what caught my attention; we're not inserting the poem, but we're saying 'it's a term of note in the sf community', followed by a citation and 'here's proof that well-known people have thought it significant'. It should stay. -- Thespian ( talk) 17:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I reverted edits by NeonMerlin who made the strange claim that Nicoll is in the fiction business which is clearly not true. Nicoll is known as an essayist and reviewer, not a fiction writer. Shsilver ( talk) 21:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
The following text has been reverted by other editors:
A fictional depiction of a Nicoll-Dyson Laser can be found here [http://eg.orionsarm.com/xcms.php?r=oaeg-view-article&egart_uid=48fe49fe47202 on the Orion's Arm website].
on the grounds of it not being a notable or verifiable reliable source. How are those relevant, here? It's a fictional concept and a fictional depiction. What's to "verify"? What's to be notable about an external link? The concept is in the Wikipage, and the OA page illustrates the concept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindstalk ( talk • contribs) 02:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
The main point is why link? So a non-reliable source mentions this concept. What does this add to the article? Nothing. -- The Red Pen of Doom 22:16, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hm, there are 48 incoming links but two are disambiguation, two are redirects, two are article talk pages, three are Wikipedia talk, four are User pages, twelve are User talk, and 21 are WP: — leaving two: Usenet celebrity and When Heaven Fell. Is that enough? — Tamfang ( talk) 03:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The linguist quotation has been mentioned and explained, with proper attribution, in the independent Chinese newspaper Ming Pao. The quotation was in Dr. John Larrysson's ESL language column on 15/8/2012.
http://english.mingpao.com/cfm/database3b.cfm?File=20120815/livenlearn/c28.txt
- a newbie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.103.185.203 ( talk) 04:45, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
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