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Pronunciation: Frewed or Frowed? Charles Matthews 21:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
"All mention of Froude is henceforth disallowed for I swear by the rood that my name's pronounced Froude".
Quote attributed to James Anthony Froude.
See JAMES ANTHONY FROUDE. A Biography, 1818-1856 Dunn, Waldo Hilary
"Oceana (1886), the record of a tour in Australia and New Zealand, notes the prosperity of the working-classes in Adelaide at the date of his visit, when, in fact, owing to a failure in the wheatcrop, hundreds were then living on charity"
I'm cutting this out pending citation or reference of some kind. The relevant "failure in the wheatcrop" is probably referring to the catastrophic early 1880s drought in the mid north affecting marginal farmers - nothing to do with the state of the "working-classes" in Adelaide, and I'm not sure what the reference to "living on charity" is. Let's see a reference to some actual "ridicule" from the press or someone at the time, not an encyclopedia referring ambiguously to someone else ridiculing Froude.
Is there a source on the claim of Froude's inspiration for Gaskell's "North and South"? I'd like to add it to the page on "The Nemesis of Faith". Thanks. Dozenthey ( talk) 23:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to start making some major revisions for this page. I'm more familiar with his early life and the religious controversy (and reading up on the Carlyle business) than with his later historical work, so anyone who knows more about that, your help would be appreciated. I've broken the article up into biographical sections; I'll start by expanding Early Life, Religious Controversy, and Carlyle Controversy. The rest of the article is lumped together as "Historian", that maybe could use some further division. That section currently contains way too much unsourced analysis; I think biography should be separated from a distinct section for Analysis or Criticism, which will need plenty of citations. I'm loathe to delete any of it, not knowing how much of it I'll be able to redo myself, but its terribly WP:OR and WP:Opinion right now. Dozenthey ( talk) 23:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
This review is transcluded from Talk:James Anthony Froude/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Hello, I will be conducting the GA Review for this article. I found it to be an enjoyable read, although I admit I wasn't aware of Froude or his work until now. :) For the most part it fulfills the Good Article criteria in that it is well written, correctly formatted, and sufficiently referenced. I also see no issues with neutrality and stability. I would like to see some concerns addressed, however, before I promote it to GA-class. Here are my comments/suggestions for improvement:
Overall, this is a fairly good article. In the interest of broadness, however, I would like to see some discussion of Froude's literary legacy and influence. Is there enough material available for a "Style and themes" section or even just a section devoted to his legacy, then and now? Although the biography is comprehensive, I do not have too much of a sense of what his importance in the literary world amounts to. Were there any tributes made to him after his death, for example? What do contemporary scholars say about him? How is he regarded now?
On a side note, it's a shame that a better portrait of Froude is not used. Considering the time period, however, it is quite possible that one from the public domain could be uploaded to the commons, if one is interested in doing so. I'll put the article's nomination on hold for a week or so until my concerns have been addressed or otherwise explained away. If you have any questions regarding this review or the article itself, feel free to contact me. María ( habla con migo) 13:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Despite a lack of sympathy with Froude and all concerned in the paragraph, isn't
Looking abroad (1870–1880) Rather than issue an objective and honest historical work, his book was in essence a bigoted and dishonest personal smear against Catholicism and the native Irish people that characterised the Irish in the ugliest stereotypes such as being naturally violent, lazy, rapacious, savage, ungrateful, corrupt, primitive, etc., along with false inflammatory misstatements of fact whilst spinning to the opposite what he extolled were British Protestant and British Protestant settler virtuous and superior character traits and their alleged victimisation at the hands of the Irish.
merely an personal opinion of Froude's book held by the writer ? Claverhouse ( talk) 00:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
According to this book on Tomás Ó Criomhthain, James Anthony Froude said this about the Irish. Does anybody know the context? Should this anti-Irish racism be mentioned? 79.97.154.238 ( talk) 15:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
James Anthony Froude was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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Pronunciation: Frewed or Frowed? Charles Matthews 21:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
"All mention of Froude is henceforth disallowed for I swear by the rood that my name's pronounced Froude".
Quote attributed to James Anthony Froude.
See JAMES ANTHONY FROUDE. A Biography, 1818-1856 Dunn, Waldo Hilary
"Oceana (1886), the record of a tour in Australia and New Zealand, notes the prosperity of the working-classes in Adelaide at the date of his visit, when, in fact, owing to a failure in the wheatcrop, hundreds were then living on charity"
I'm cutting this out pending citation or reference of some kind. The relevant "failure in the wheatcrop" is probably referring to the catastrophic early 1880s drought in the mid north affecting marginal farmers - nothing to do with the state of the "working-classes" in Adelaide, and I'm not sure what the reference to "living on charity" is. Let's see a reference to some actual "ridicule" from the press or someone at the time, not an encyclopedia referring ambiguously to someone else ridiculing Froude.
Is there a source on the claim of Froude's inspiration for Gaskell's "North and South"? I'd like to add it to the page on "The Nemesis of Faith". Thanks. Dozenthey ( talk) 23:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to start making some major revisions for this page. I'm more familiar with his early life and the religious controversy (and reading up on the Carlyle business) than with his later historical work, so anyone who knows more about that, your help would be appreciated. I've broken the article up into biographical sections; I'll start by expanding Early Life, Religious Controversy, and Carlyle Controversy. The rest of the article is lumped together as "Historian", that maybe could use some further division. That section currently contains way too much unsourced analysis; I think biography should be separated from a distinct section for Analysis or Criticism, which will need plenty of citations. I'm loathe to delete any of it, not knowing how much of it I'll be able to redo myself, but its terribly WP:OR and WP:Opinion right now. Dozenthey ( talk) 23:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
This review is transcluded from Talk:James Anthony Froude/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Hello, I will be conducting the GA Review for this article. I found it to be an enjoyable read, although I admit I wasn't aware of Froude or his work until now. :) For the most part it fulfills the Good Article criteria in that it is well written, correctly formatted, and sufficiently referenced. I also see no issues with neutrality and stability. I would like to see some concerns addressed, however, before I promote it to GA-class. Here are my comments/suggestions for improvement:
Overall, this is a fairly good article. In the interest of broadness, however, I would like to see some discussion of Froude's literary legacy and influence. Is there enough material available for a "Style and themes" section or even just a section devoted to his legacy, then and now? Although the biography is comprehensive, I do not have too much of a sense of what his importance in the literary world amounts to. Were there any tributes made to him after his death, for example? What do contemporary scholars say about him? How is he regarded now?
On a side note, it's a shame that a better portrait of Froude is not used. Considering the time period, however, it is quite possible that one from the public domain could be uploaded to the commons, if one is interested in doing so. I'll put the article's nomination on hold for a week or so until my concerns have been addressed or otherwise explained away. If you have any questions regarding this review or the article itself, feel free to contact me. María ( habla con migo) 13:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Despite a lack of sympathy with Froude and all concerned in the paragraph, isn't
Looking abroad (1870–1880) Rather than issue an objective and honest historical work, his book was in essence a bigoted and dishonest personal smear against Catholicism and the native Irish people that characterised the Irish in the ugliest stereotypes such as being naturally violent, lazy, rapacious, savage, ungrateful, corrupt, primitive, etc., along with false inflammatory misstatements of fact whilst spinning to the opposite what he extolled were British Protestant and British Protestant settler virtuous and superior character traits and their alleged victimisation at the hands of the Irish.
merely an personal opinion of Froude's book held by the writer ? Claverhouse ( talk) 00:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
According to this book on Tomás Ó Criomhthain, James Anthony Froude said this about the Irish. Does anybody know the context? Should this anti-Irish racism be mentioned? 79.97.154.238 ( talk) 15:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)