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Non-notable, regional event. -- jergen ( talk) 18:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Please discuss concerns before simply marking articles for deletion. DiverScout ( talk) 13:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Jergen, either discuss your concerns here, or leave this article alone. Edit wars serve no purpose and non-WOSM international events (of which this is one) have as much right to be on here as WOSM ones. DiverScout ( talk) 10:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
This is all very interesting, but Jamboree 2008 marked several interesting points in Scouting History. The SA did not have a 100 year celebration near to the site that BP held the first proper Scout camp (Look Wide @ Carr Edge); and although invited, blocked groups from attending - dispite the event being set up as an inter organisational event. It therefore marked a 'C' change in Scouting, as members of the B-PSA extended the 4th Scout Law to the SA in order to facilitate 'coming together' and 'growth', but the SA did not take the opportunity. Despite that fact, there were still those from the SA who attended, including a contingent from the Portuguese SA. If all of the above is not interesting and worth merit, or is conveniently erased by those of the SA wiki-fraternity, then so be it... but it doesn't make all of the above less true! I know all of the above and can evidence it (not that i wish to drag it all out into the light) as i was the instigator of the Jamboree and had several email conversations with DS @ SA HQ. Julian the Scout ( talk) 22:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Never suggested that any of the three of you were ;) but i am aware that things written about the BPSA often have a habbit of ending up edited by people with a hidden agenda. If you feel that i was targeting you i apologise unreservedly, but it was not the intent! Julian the Scout ( talk) 23:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
All very technical for me i'm afraid, i occasionally used to check on the wiki entry for BPSA, but am not anything more than an interested bystander unlike DiverScout :) Keep up the good work!!! Julian the Scout ( talk) 23:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Not having been in this situation before, where essentially someone who has no knowledge of the event, or its importance can mark an item for deletion... can i ask a rather stupid question??? At what point does this discussion end and a decision get made? Afterall Jergen appears not to find a 100 year event important, does that mean i can justify looking at a whole series of entries and cast a view as to their importance??? I don't hold with acts of war... byebye 1st & 2nd World wars... moon landing - suspect... many books... Anything written by Jergen... the list is endless!!! I don't actually mean that i will (just in case someone doesn't get irony!!!) but i am trying to understand the process :) 90.194.235.254 ( talk) 20:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Let me make one point clear. This discussion, i.e the discussion here, does NOT mean a thing. The article has been proposed for discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamboree 2008 (Northumberland). That is the only discussion that matters. That process has clear guidelines. Discussions are closed by an administrator any time after 5 days and that time is approaching. If you want to save the article, add you comments there but read the guideline about what are good and bad arguments for keeping an article. A second point is that, while I support keeping this article, if it is deleted, there are several alternatives about where some, but not all of the material, in this article can be placed. I say not all because it already goes into too much detail in places and will require cleaning up if if it is kept. -- Bduke (Discussion) 22:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
The County News article from Northumberland Scout Association appears to have been deleted from their server, is it possible to recover a copy of this article for completeness? guest ( talk) 13:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.167.123 ( talk)
Sorry if this is obvious, but I'm new to contributing to Wikipedia, I accept that this article needs working on, but can anyone provide some thoughts on what to include? I'm going to have a look at similar pages, but I'm always interested in other people's thoughts..... Porlhews ( talk) 12:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.212.232 ( talk)
It might be nice to have more info. More detail on the organisers - was it purely BPSA or TSA or both together? Was it an attempt at re-unification of the two associations? Was it a success or failure? Reaction from the BPSA, TSA? The article is not altogether clear enoungh on these issues. Answering these may help decide how notable an event it was. mspice2215 212.137.45.109 ( talk) 14:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
In which case this is just an article about a Scouting event, just one of many that have taken place. Someone somewhere must have felt that it had a degree of relevance and was important enough to include on this web-site, I feel that further info should be included as to the significance of this, it was obviously a joint BPSA and TSA event but there is simply not enough info as to which association organised it and with what agenda. As to the question of success or failure, surely this is straight forward issue, if it was intended as a way of helping to open dialogue and co-operation between the two associations di it work or not - I don't think it's POV to include this. Otherwise I might just as well write an article on a Cub Scout jamboree I went on a couple of years ago as a leader which wouldn't really have much point to it mspice 2215 77.96.231.238 ( talk) 18:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
The Jamboree 'was set up to be independant of associations' but you claim that neither the BPSA or TSA were involved in the organisation of this event. This would be a milestone in its own right as a Scouting event which was not organised by a Scouting organisation of any kind! - I'm confused now... I accept, now, the notability aspect i.e. marking B.-P's first ever offical Scout camp, after my years of involvement in Scouting on and off I never knew of this event so at least I've learned something! It does seem to me that there has been an attempt at reconciliation between BPSA and TSA which has not been particulalry successful - that's what I've been trying to get to the bottom of, the article itself has raised this question in my mind. mspice2215 77.96.231.238 ( talk) 10:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me for asking, but who actually organised this event? - if it wasn't BPSA or TSA then who? Were the organisers connected with Scouting in any way at all? It seems very strange to me that an organisation not connected with Scouting has organised an event to mark an important milestone in Scouting's history, none of this is clear in the article and the responses to my earlier queries have been cagey to say the least mspice2215 77.96.231.238 ( talk) 22:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Apologies is the answers appear to have been evasive - they were not intended to be. As people have said, J08 was an event organised by an independent organisation - independent of the BPSA, the SA, etc. This event was intentionally set up to be independent of any youth organisation, so that as many youth organisations as possible could be invited - keeping in mind the child protection (insurance, etc,...) requirements of all had to be satisfied. It's true to say that the individuals organising the event had a variety of backgrounds - some were BPSA, some were SA, some were from the Duke of Edinburgh's award, some were teachers on their summer holidays and some were complete newcomers. Wherever their origins, the group organising it were the Jamboree 2008 Team - independent of any other organisation, but there to serve as many as possible. Hope this helps - if you have any further questions then I'll do my best to answer or to find the answer for you. porlhews 14:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.248.193.228 ( talk)
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Non-notable, regional event. -- jergen ( talk) 18:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Please discuss concerns before simply marking articles for deletion. DiverScout ( talk) 13:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Jergen, either discuss your concerns here, or leave this article alone. Edit wars serve no purpose and non-WOSM international events (of which this is one) have as much right to be on here as WOSM ones. DiverScout ( talk) 10:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
This is all very interesting, but Jamboree 2008 marked several interesting points in Scouting History. The SA did not have a 100 year celebration near to the site that BP held the first proper Scout camp (Look Wide @ Carr Edge); and although invited, blocked groups from attending - dispite the event being set up as an inter organisational event. It therefore marked a 'C' change in Scouting, as members of the B-PSA extended the 4th Scout Law to the SA in order to facilitate 'coming together' and 'growth', but the SA did not take the opportunity. Despite that fact, there were still those from the SA who attended, including a contingent from the Portuguese SA. If all of the above is not interesting and worth merit, or is conveniently erased by those of the SA wiki-fraternity, then so be it... but it doesn't make all of the above less true! I know all of the above and can evidence it (not that i wish to drag it all out into the light) as i was the instigator of the Jamboree and had several email conversations with DS @ SA HQ. Julian the Scout ( talk) 22:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Never suggested that any of the three of you were ;) but i am aware that things written about the BPSA often have a habbit of ending up edited by people with a hidden agenda. If you feel that i was targeting you i apologise unreservedly, but it was not the intent! Julian the Scout ( talk) 23:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
All very technical for me i'm afraid, i occasionally used to check on the wiki entry for BPSA, but am not anything more than an interested bystander unlike DiverScout :) Keep up the good work!!! Julian the Scout ( talk) 23:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Not having been in this situation before, where essentially someone who has no knowledge of the event, or its importance can mark an item for deletion... can i ask a rather stupid question??? At what point does this discussion end and a decision get made? Afterall Jergen appears not to find a 100 year event important, does that mean i can justify looking at a whole series of entries and cast a view as to their importance??? I don't hold with acts of war... byebye 1st & 2nd World wars... moon landing - suspect... many books... Anything written by Jergen... the list is endless!!! I don't actually mean that i will (just in case someone doesn't get irony!!!) but i am trying to understand the process :) 90.194.235.254 ( talk) 20:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Let me make one point clear. This discussion, i.e the discussion here, does NOT mean a thing. The article has been proposed for discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamboree 2008 (Northumberland). That is the only discussion that matters. That process has clear guidelines. Discussions are closed by an administrator any time after 5 days and that time is approaching. If you want to save the article, add you comments there but read the guideline about what are good and bad arguments for keeping an article. A second point is that, while I support keeping this article, if it is deleted, there are several alternatives about where some, but not all of the material, in this article can be placed. I say not all because it already goes into too much detail in places and will require cleaning up if if it is kept. -- Bduke (Discussion) 22:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
The County News article from Northumberland Scout Association appears to have been deleted from their server, is it possible to recover a copy of this article for completeness? guest ( talk) 13:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.167.123 ( talk)
Sorry if this is obvious, but I'm new to contributing to Wikipedia, I accept that this article needs working on, but can anyone provide some thoughts on what to include? I'm going to have a look at similar pages, but I'm always interested in other people's thoughts..... Porlhews ( talk) 12:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.212.232 ( talk)
It might be nice to have more info. More detail on the organisers - was it purely BPSA or TSA or both together? Was it an attempt at re-unification of the two associations? Was it a success or failure? Reaction from the BPSA, TSA? The article is not altogether clear enoungh on these issues. Answering these may help decide how notable an event it was. mspice2215 212.137.45.109 ( talk) 14:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
In which case this is just an article about a Scouting event, just one of many that have taken place. Someone somewhere must have felt that it had a degree of relevance and was important enough to include on this web-site, I feel that further info should be included as to the significance of this, it was obviously a joint BPSA and TSA event but there is simply not enough info as to which association organised it and with what agenda. As to the question of success or failure, surely this is straight forward issue, if it was intended as a way of helping to open dialogue and co-operation between the two associations di it work or not - I don't think it's POV to include this. Otherwise I might just as well write an article on a Cub Scout jamboree I went on a couple of years ago as a leader which wouldn't really have much point to it mspice 2215 77.96.231.238 ( talk) 18:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
The Jamboree 'was set up to be independant of associations' but you claim that neither the BPSA or TSA were involved in the organisation of this event. This would be a milestone in its own right as a Scouting event which was not organised by a Scouting organisation of any kind! - I'm confused now... I accept, now, the notability aspect i.e. marking B.-P's first ever offical Scout camp, after my years of involvement in Scouting on and off I never knew of this event so at least I've learned something! It does seem to me that there has been an attempt at reconciliation between BPSA and TSA which has not been particulalry successful - that's what I've been trying to get to the bottom of, the article itself has raised this question in my mind. mspice2215 77.96.231.238 ( talk) 10:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me for asking, but who actually organised this event? - if it wasn't BPSA or TSA then who? Were the organisers connected with Scouting in any way at all? It seems very strange to me that an organisation not connected with Scouting has organised an event to mark an important milestone in Scouting's history, none of this is clear in the article and the responses to my earlier queries have been cagey to say the least mspice2215 77.96.231.238 ( talk) 22:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Apologies is the answers appear to have been evasive - they were not intended to be. As people have said, J08 was an event organised by an independent organisation - independent of the BPSA, the SA, etc. This event was intentionally set up to be independent of any youth organisation, so that as many youth organisations as possible could be invited - keeping in mind the child protection (insurance, etc,...) requirements of all had to be satisfied. It's true to say that the individuals organising the event had a variety of backgrounds - some were BPSA, some were SA, some were from the Duke of Edinburgh's award, some were teachers on their summer holidays and some were complete newcomers. Wherever their origins, the group organising it were the Jamboree 2008 Team - independent of any other organisation, but there to serve as many as possible. Hope this helps - if you have any further questions then I'll do my best to answer or to find the answer for you. porlhews 14:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.248.193.228 ( talk)
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