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This article's current name,
Jagúar (band), conforms to WP naming conventions and is not ambiguous. It is unlikely that anyone looking for the British band
Jaguar would end up here, and there are
hatnotes to assist anyone who may get lost. In cases such as this one, a hatnote is usually considered sufficient.
Wilhelm_meis (
talk)
13:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Very puzzled as to how this could possibly be considered to be unambiguous.
Jaguar (band) and
Jagúar (band) differ by only one diacritic mark, which I can't even type on my keyboard. Names should not disambiguate solely by capitalisation or diacritics. No, perhaps no-one will find this article when looking for the British band, but what about the reverse? If I'm looking for the Icelandic band, am I also expected to be able to spell and type in Icelandic? Anyway, what on earth is wrong with
Jagúar (Icelandic band) – or come to that,
Jaguar (British band)?
Richard New Forest (
talk)
14:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Again, hatnotes are often considered sufficient disambiguation for such cases. It is considered appropriate to name an article with the least disambiguation necessary. Per
WP:NCDAB:
"If there are several possible choices for disambiguating with a class or context, use the same disambiguating phrase already commonly used for other topics within the same class and context, if any. Otherwise, choose whichever is simpler. For example, use (mythology) rather than (mythological figure)."
Also, per
WP:NAMB, a hatnote directing readers to
Tree (disambiguation) should not be placed at
Tree (set theory) because "the reader would not have ended up at
tree (set theory) if they were interested in other types of trees, as
tree does not redirect there. However, a hatnote may still be appropriate when even a more specific name is still ambiguous. For example,
Matt Smith (comics) might still be confused for the comics illustrator
Matt Smith (illustrator)."
The meaning here is clear: when a disambiguated name (such as Jaguar (band) in this case) is still ambiguous, a hatnote is used. If anything, the ambiguously named article in this case is
Jaguar (band), not this article, so I am rather puzzled why this article was moved to
Jagúar (Icelandic band) and not that one to
Jaguar (British band). If you wish to resolve any ambiguity between the two articles,
Jaguar (band), being the more ambiguously named article, should be the article moved to a further disambiguated title.
Wilhelm_meis (
talk)
04:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes, you are right, both articles should be properly disambiguated. It was me who renamed the Icelandic one, and to be honest I can't remember why I didn't do the same to the other – probably I just forgot. Either way, the current names are far too similar.
Richard New Forest (
talk)
16:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)reply
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This article's current name,
Jagúar (band), conforms to WP naming conventions and is not ambiguous. It is unlikely that anyone looking for the British band
Jaguar would end up here, and there are
hatnotes to assist anyone who may get lost. In cases such as this one, a hatnote is usually considered sufficient.
Wilhelm_meis (
talk)
13:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Very puzzled as to how this could possibly be considered to be unambiguous.
Jaguar (band) and
Jagúar (band) differ by only one diacritic mark, which I can't even type on my keyboard. Names should not disambiguate solely by capitalisation or diacritics. No, perhaps no-one will find this article when looking for the British band, but what about the reverse? If I'm looking for the Icelandic band, am I also expected to be able to spell and type in Icelandic? Anyway, what on earth is wrong with
Jagúar (Icelandic band) – or come to that,
Jaguar (British band)?
Richard New Forest (
talk)
14:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Again, hatnotes are often considered sufficient disambiguation for such cases. It is considered appropriate to name an article with the least disambiguation necessary. Per
WP:NCDAB:
"If there are several possible choices for disambiguating with a class or context, use the same disambiguating phrase already commonly used for other topics within the same class and context, if any. Otherwise, choose whichever is simpler. For example, use (mythology) rather than (mythological figure)."
Also, per
WP:NAMB, a hatnote directing readers to
Tree (disambiguation) should not be placed at
Tree (set theory) because "the reader would not have ended up at
tree (set theory) if they were interested in other types of trees, as
tree does not redirect there. However, a hatnote may still be appropriate when even a more specific name is still ambiguous. For example,
Matt Smith (comics) might still be confused for the comics illustrator
Matt Smith (illustrator)."
The meaning here is clear: when a disambiguated name (such as Jaguar (band) in this case) is still ambiguous, a hatnote is used. If anything, the ambiguously named article in this case is
Jaguar (band), not this article, so I am rather puzzled why this article was moved to
Jagúar (Icelandic band) and not that one to
Jaguar (British band). If you wish to resolve any ambiguity between the two articles,
Jaguar (band), being the more ambiguously named article, should be the article moved to a further disambiguated title.
Wilhelm_meis (
talk)
04:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes, you are right, both articles should be properly disambiguated. It was me who renamed the Icelandic one, and to be honest I can't remember why I didn't do the same to the other – probably I just forgot. Either way, the current names are far too similar.
Richard New Forest (
talk)
16:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)reply