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Purim and the date of the second attack
The article says the following:
The attacks also coincided with the holiday of Purim: The second bus 18 attack took place a day before Purim, and the Dizengoff bombing on the eve of the holiday
The problem is, that in Jerusalem (the place of these attacks),
Purim is the a day later than in Tel Aviv (the place of the Dizengoff bombing). This sentence should be worded to remove any ambiguity about the relative times of these attacks.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 11:27, 4 May 2011 (UTC)reply
Photos of second attack
Is it possible that there are no pictures of the March 1996 attack? I can't find them anywhere. Maybe some Hebrew-speaking user can help? Thanks.
Pialbo (
talk) 02:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTMEMORIAL
Icewhiz,
WP:OSE is not a reason for you to violate
WP:NOTMEMORIAL. We do not maintain memorials to people in an encyclopedia article. Also, please read
WP:HOUNDING. nableezy - 15:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTMEMORIAL does not appear to discuss this. In general, I see it used (and have used it, gently) to explain to people starting pages for recently deceased relatives why we cannot host such articles. But it does not seem to discuss victims of terrorist attacks, school shootings, etc.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 20:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
The recent AfDs (obvious keeps) on this subject matter is good cause. As for the content here - we often keep victim names - as done in
Stoneman Douglas High School shooting#Victims. Including the names can be helpful in finding additional sources for the article at hand.
Icewhiz (
talk) 15:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:OSE is not a reason.
WP:NOT is policy. Good cause for hounding? Youre admitting to it? Ok, thanks, that makes the next steps easier. nableezy - 15:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTMEMORIAL precludes " Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet such requirements", it does not preclude naming victims (or perpetrators) of terror attacks in articles on said notable attacks. The victim names are informative and allow searching for additional material.
Icewhiz (
talk) 16:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
No, maintaining a list of victims is maintaining a memorial. It is not encyclopedic. nableezy - 16:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
I see not reason to delete these names. Some of or articles on bombings, shootings, and similar name the victims, some have descriptions of them (stuff like "a 34 year old teacher and mother of 2,") without naming them.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 20:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
I gave the reason, WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Or would you support including a list of children killed by Israeli forces in
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict? Oh, of course not, that would be a memorial. Silly me. nableezy - 22:16, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
This is evaluated on a case by case basis - and if the list is indeed long - then often one does not include. In this case it is rather short. I will note that if one were to add lists to
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, one would do so for both sides - including children killed by Palestinian militants as well.
Icewhiz (
talk) 06:45, 18 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Of course because the list of Palestinian children would be much longer then that would mean often one does not include, but because the other list is short you probably should go compile that one to include. There is literally no reason to include a list of names, I dont even get why this is an argument except for giving you a reason to argue with me. Articles shouldnt contain lists of casualties. They shouldnt contain lists of non-notable people. They can describe who died like 14 people, among them 8 children or whatever. Beyond that you are, and obviously so, making a memorial. There are plenty of places to memorialize victims of this or any other terror attack. I think the MFA already maintains
such a list. The encyclopedia article on the event itself however is not one of those places. Legit dont understand how this is a thing we have to argue over. nableezy - 08:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)reply
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Can this page receive a similar table relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, similar to the one used in articles such as [Operation Rainbow]?
Purim and the date of the second attack
The article says the following:
The attacks also coincided with the holiday of Purim: The second bus 18 attack took place a day before Purim, and the Dizengoff bombing on the eve of the holiday
The problem is, that in Jerusalem (the place of these attacks),
Purim is the a day later than in Tel Aviv (the place of the Dizengoff bombing). This sentence should be worded to remove any ambiguity about the relative times of these attacks.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 11:27, 4 May 2011 (UTC)reply
Photos of second attack
Is it possible that there are no pictures of the March 1996 attack? I can't find them anywhere. Maybe some Hebrew-speaking user can help? Thanks.
Pialbo (
talk) 02:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTMEMORIAL
Icewhiz,
WP:OSE is not a reason for you to violate
WP:NOTMEMORIAL. We do not maintain memorials to people in an encyclopedia article. Also, please read
WP:HOUNDING. nableezy - 15:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTMEMORIAL does not appear to discuss this. In general, I see it used (and have used it, gently) to explain to people starting pages for recently deceased relatives why we cannot host such articles. But it does not seem to discuss victims of terrorist attacks, school shootings, etc.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 20:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
The recent AfDs (obvious keeps) on this subject matter is good cause. As for the content here - we often keep victim names - as done in
Stoneman Douglas High School shooting#Victims. Including the names can be helpful in finding additional sources for the article at hand.
Icewhiz (
talk) 15:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:OSE is not a reason.
WP:NOT is policy. Good cause for hounding? Youre admitting to it? Ok, thanks, that makes the next steps easier. nableezy - 15:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTMEMORIAL precludes " Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet such requirements", it does not preclude naming victims (or perpetrators) of terror attacks in articles on said notable attacks. The victim names are informative and allow searching for additional material.
Icewhiz (
talk) 16:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
No, maintaining a list of victims is maintaining a memorial. It is not encyclopedic. nableezy - 16:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
I see not reason to delete these names. Some of or articles on bombings, shootings, and similar name the victims, some have descriptions of them (stuff like "a 34 year old teacher and mother of 2,") without naming them.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 20:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
I gave the reason, WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Or would you support including a list of children killed by Israeli forces in
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict? Oh, of course not, that would be a memorial. Silly me. nableezy - 22:16, 17 December 2018 (UTC)reply
This is evaluated on a case by case basis - and if the list is indeed long - then often one does not include. In this case it is rather short. I will note that if one were to add lists to
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, one would do so for both sides - including children killed by Palestinian militants as well.
Icewhiz (
talk) 06:45, 18 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Of course because the list of Palestinian children would be much longer then that would mean often one does not include, but because the other list is short you probably should go compile that one to include. There is literally no reason to include a list of names, I dont even get why this is an argument except for giving you a reason to argue with me. Articles shouldnt contain lists of casualties. They shouldnt contain lists of non-notable people. They can describe who died like 14 people, among them 8 children or whatever. Beyond that you are, and obviously so, making a memorial. There are plenty of places to memorialize victims of this or any other terror attack. I think the MFA already maintains
such a list. The encyclopedia article on the event itself however is not one of those places. Legit dont understand how this is a thing we have to argue over. nableezy - 08:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)reply