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Yup, we're back to this one: Considering Jack has now replied to the Show Cause order, and a hearing could be held today (see [ this page for his reply to the request to the show cause order] Surely the man himself qualifies for WP:RS SirFozzie 15:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
We can sidestep the WP:RS discussion if we confirm that Take Two/Blank Rome had filed a proposed Show Cause order to the judge.. after all, if we just report that Take Two/Blank Rome had filed a Show Cause order (as I put in, with no POV Leanings earlier in the article), and the judge deferred, as he had recused himself from the case due to partiality (due to the Florida Bar complaint), that should satisfy both WP:RS AND WP:NPOV, Correct? SirFozzie 22:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I hate this guy. I don't understand why he can't just leave us gamers alone and go mind his own business. I even bought the toilet paper with his name printed on it on the internet! If he dosen't like the video game industry, that's his own problem, but he shouldn't ruin millions of other gamers time by starting these stupid petitions and a whole bunch of other legal crap just because he dosen't like the game. He is not worthy of gracing Wikipedia with his poisonous presence.
It's rather hard to read through the litigation section, could we break it down into cases with sub-headers: James v. Meow Media (Paducah), Lynch, Tennessee, Devin Moore, Best Buy "sting", Bully lawsuits, and Cody Posey? Or even move the case files to new wiki entries, such as with James v. Meow Media? Jabrwock 20:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
This article is in my opinion too big. I think all the video game stuff should be placed in a seperate article, and a summary included here instead. Andersa 08:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I know I know, not reliable. But it's a heads up. Judge Friedman reclused himself from ruling whether JT was in contempt, apparently due to the fact that he had filed his own Florida Bar complaint against JT. JT grabbed by 4 police officers when he refuses to stop holding up a large posterboard in court. Destructoid will have the videotape of the event posted later. Presumably Take Two will ask the next judge to continue with the contempt ruling. Jabrwock 21:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Letter he sent to retailers I hope some major media prints this. It's rediculous. He tries to argue that a homosexual kissing falls under various statutes in Florida, all of which deal with pornography, and so he can legally ban Bully from being sold to minors. Jabrwock 14:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
For the record, there is no gay sex. Just kissing. There's also kissing of girls. Gasp, shock, awe. Isn't it odd how he only finds the male stuff bad? 66.222.181.28 22:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
And broke it down into four sections,
What do you guys think? SirFozzie 22:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I like it, it's easier to read now. That section was too long before, it wasn't clear how it broke down. Jabrwock 21:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
If so, is there anything that should be added to the article? -- Maxamegalon2000 22:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe it quotes him as being a Zappa fan (I guess he just wants to sue the pants off anyone who would provide Zappa to children...). He also apparently still makes a living off medical malpractice suits. Jabrwock 22:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Just read the article at B&N. Sad news is that there really isn't anything new except what's already been on GP and on Wikipedia. Same old 2 Live Crew story and about his lawsuits, plus a quote from Doug. The one thing that caught my eye were the last 4-5 paragraphs about his son. Someone at GP already sumed it up. But as a whole I'm not sure if there's anything worth adding to WP. KungFu-tse 00:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Currently there's brief mention of his involvement with Howard Stern being taken off air in the 'Other Activities' secition. This might be slightly expanded upon (such as exact involvement, others involved, and details such as specific racist comments aired on the HS show that JT reported to the FCC), as well as mention of previous action taken against other shock jocks many years prior to that. That's some interesting background info. Efrafra 04:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Please don't think I'm trying to root for JT in suggesting this. It just seems that the most interest taken in this article is by those who think he's evil/loony and thus has a lot of emotional investment. As Vercalos rightly implied, the Holocaust could invoke violent feelings in people, but the purpose of Wikipedia is supposed to be informative rather than affected by opinion, emotion, or agenda (even in "Controversy" sections).
Since this is a biographical entry, I wonder why there seem to actually be more [negative] quotes made about JT by others than specific details about the various litigations-- the latter of which would make sense to detail more in the light of how they affected courts and the connection with other cases. Not to say this is not a well-written article. While I did see a few quotes from JT himself, there isn't a lot of representation of 'the other side' of the story. Censorship makes everyone get fired up and while I'm definitely not in favor of censoring everything (and thus, the topic makes me antsy) I think that sometimes we get fired up before actually considering the details of a given litigation or the object of the complaint objectively-- perhaps we care more about blocking censorship than considering/examining the individual cases. I'm always amazed when I realize that I've made a hard judgement on something without actually knowing about it. In the same way that JT wasn't smart to denounce the [albeit WEIRD] Left Behind game without actually checking it out first hand, I wonder why I was so quick to think he should've left 2 Live Crew alone until actually stopping to actually objectively consider the lyrics my 11 year old male classmates were yelling at the girls. Just saying--there's more to the value of having this entry than for the reference of seriously annoyed gamers, although that's the most recent issue. JT may be over the top, but a more balanced entry will be of more use to the public. Efrafra 04:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
agreed too, and i see that somone mentiond the halocaust earlier too, i beleve that hitler is portrayed as a bad guy by what he did and i dont see anybody trying to sugar coat his actions, JT may not be as bad but he should still be shown as the person he makes himself out to be (an asshat). because i see very few redeeming qualitys on either of these men.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.38.36.49 ( talk • contribs).
Why was Jack's photo removed? Even if it was a copyrighted image, given that it was being used to illustrate, y'know, what he looks like, and for no other reason, wouldn't that fair CLEARLY under fair use? Fieari 18:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
T, under pressure from cops, eyes way to kill vile ad Boston Herald, Nov 21, 2006
Jack Thompson, a Florida-based lawyer who battles violent video games across the country, said the MBTA is prohibited from promoting violent and sexually exploitative material. “It is utter nonsense for the MBTA to suggest the First Amendment somehow prohibits it from not participating in a criminal conspiracy,” Thompson wrote to Grabauskas yesterday. “What’s next? Bus ads for crack cocaine?” Jabrwock 17:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure this could be used a source, so I'm not adding it myself. The April 7 entry mentions Jack Thompson stating his opinion on the lawsuit involving five girls who hung mario blocks around town. In my opinion, somebody more knowing should add this particular incident to the article. 69.130.136.214 21:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I was just reading through the archive and noticed that some of JBT's more... colorful remarks regarding the Muslim religion had found a decent source (the Sun Sentinel), but were not included in the main article. Now I'll admit to being already pretty biased against Thompson, so please tell me if you think this shouldn't be included, but I thought it might do well in the "Other public commentary" section. Something like, "In an interview on the XXth of XXX, Thompson said the following-". Thoughts? -- 64.218.89.103 15:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Anyone catch Nightline last night? The text article as well as the video is up.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2722827&page=1
KungFu-tse 15:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Made slashdot and a lot of gaming sites, that Thompson sent a [ Letter to Bill Gates] about Grand Theft Auto 4 (which apparently won't even be out until October 07), trying to get Microsoft to either MAKE Rockstar pull the title, or do.. something (I refuse to try to think like him, it'd make my head explode).. and requests that Microsoft's lawyers get in touch with him to help prevent GTA IV being sold to minors. Trying to find something about it from something that will pass the WP:RS bar that's been set for this article. That's probably why the article has been hit several times the last couple days, as the kids are riled up. SirFozzie 23:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Glancing over, the article looks good, and the things that made it fail last time don't seem to be an issue that we need to worry about now. It needs a more thorough lead and could benefit from a picture, but otherwise it seems to be in good shape. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 08:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I've always been unsure about using industry sources that quote Thompson directly. While I certainly believe that they wouldn't misquote him, I still think that if it's the only source the content may not be as notable. In the case of The Inquirer, I'm worried about the fact that, according to the Wikipedia article, "The INQUIRER's articles are written in a subjective and opinionated tone, with much the same style of reporting common in British tabloid newspapers." -- Maxamegalon2000 17:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Cept for one thing: how often does ol' Jack use real references? I don't think it makes that that much of a difference misquoting something that was wrong in the first place Midgitboy 16:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't say for certain whether or not he uses real references; they may have some basis in reality, but I think there might be a consensus that the information he presents is sensationalized. That having been said, it's important that if we quote him, we do so correctly, regardless of whether or not his quotes have any truth or merit. If they do, good for us; if not, then his quote could still be used, but with further research done on the matter that he is quoting to illustrate that what he said is exaggerated or incorrect. Hopefully, this can be done in a way that demonstrates his character, but does not seek to create bias. -- PeanutCheeseBar 20:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I just agree with EGM (electronic gaming monthly) He's just an angry old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn. He just doesnt like gamers, maybe he got it handed to him playing pong or something. Anyways, In my opinion, it's a load of bull. I've played violent games since I was about five or six. First games I ever remember beating were Mortal Kombat, DOOM and Aladdin :P Anyways, I'm not a violent psychopath, I may hate people, but I won't kill them because I played a virtual "killing simulator" about saving the earth from demons from Hell. Midgitboy 16:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Why nobody added notice about a satyrical joke-game dedicated to mr. Thompson called "I'm ok"?
It should be added.
http://www.imokgame.com/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.23.207.129 ( talk) 14:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
It has been noted on the article A Modest Video Game Proposal which there is a link to in this article. - Ryanbomber 16:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Could someone find a source for this: "Jack Thompson mistakenly said Microsoft was selling crack, when he heard about the Xbox 360 video game Crackdown, because he did not know it was a game. Ironically, Crackdown was designed by David Jones, who also designed the original Grand Theft Auto."—Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiMan78 ( talk • contribs)
sweet Christ, does Jack EVER give up? Jack, if you are reading this, RESEARCH the games that you try to ban before you ban them. Microsoft doesnt need to sell crack, bill gates wipes his butt with $100.00 bills anyways. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.200.98.184 ( talk • contribs).
Could someone please confirm that the following statement:
Nevertheless, a command that could be entered into the in-game console in order to disable the blur effect was removed from the game in an expansion. No official reason was given for the change.
is in fact true. My sister (who owns the first three expansions) claims the command still exists (although was apparently changed to accept a parameter as the size of the blur effect (though by setting the size to zero the effect can be achieved)). 24.18.253.28 22:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't matter, they're still equipped like Ken dolls. Never stopped Jack, though, did it?-- Viridis 04:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I referenced this article in one of my rants: The Truth about Jack Thompson. If this line is changed at any time (other than vandalism), can someone email me (e-mail address removed) to let me know so I can make the necessary adjustments to my rant? Thanks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by VoodooKobra ( talk • contribs)
Alright, looks like I won't get to be lazy :P Kobra 15:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any legitimate reason why GamePolitics is not considered a "valid source"? Dlong 00:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I heartily recommend that participants in this discussion begin by reading the archives of this talk page first. After the intervention by WP:OFFICE, only mainstream and highly reputable sources have been used in this article. This has significantly increased the quality of the article, as well as kept the most minor incidents from being included and making the article too long and unwieldy. As for GamePolitics.com, a site I personally visit every day and generally trust, the site maintains a pro-gaming bias that would threaten the neutrality of this article. After all, the site is owned by the Entertainment Consumers Association, and Dennis McCauley did file a complaint against Thompson with the Florida Bar.
To argue for the inclusion of GamePolitics.com as a source, one would need to argue that it does not contain bias, and that the information used is sufficiently notable to merit inclusion, especially considering the current quality of sourcing. Of course, I am not the final arbitor, nor do I have any special authority. User:Michael Snow was appointed by WikiMedia's legal council to maintain the quality of this article, and I simply try to maintain its quality to his standards. Feel free to invite him to participate in this discussion here if you wish. -- Maxamegalon2000 03:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately Maxamegalon2000, you shoot down anything from ANY gaming-related website due to either "bias" or "lack of notability", and it only serves to degrade the quality of the article. Material critical of Thompson has been posted here and on several other websites (be it by Penny Arcade, VGCats, GamePolitics, etc.) and Thompson has threatened each of those entities if they did not take down the material. The end result is that they did not cave in to Jack's baseless and empty threats, and Wikipedia has, resulting in an article that is inherently biased towards Thompson, and compromises the integrity of Wikipedia as a whole. Furthermore, it only encourages people like Thompson to think that they can continue to "rattle their sabers" and bully entities like Wikipedia just because someone gave in at least once. Continuing to deny sites like GamePolitics will only help to further Thompson's pro-censorship agenda, and harm Wikipedia. -- PeanutCheeseBar 17:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I think you guys are misusing bias as a complaint here. Bias is a valid complaint when you're talking about someone's opinion being good, but does not effect whether a fact a publication reports is true or not. If Gamepolitics.com lies that's another matter and does invalidate them as a factual source, but that's not a bias issue. Derekloffin 00:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Man, Derek, you stole what I was going to say. Gamepolitics is fine as long as we source them for JUST facts. Biased or not, facts can't really be changed. NPOV means nothing when something is just plain bad. - Ryanbomber 16:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The idea that Gamepolitics isn't a reliable source doesn't make sense. JT has become heavily intertwined with the exact subject that Gamepolitics covers. Who could possibly have better qualifications to report news on the Thompson's dealings in the video game industry than a site dedicated to reporting news on the video game industry? - Charagon
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Yup, we're back to this one: Considering Jack has now replied to the Show Cause order, and a hearing could be held today (see [ this page for his reply to the request to the show cause order] Surely the man himself qualifies for WP:RS SirFozzie 15:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
We can sidestep the WP:RS discussion if we confirm that Take Two/Blank Rome had filed a proposed Show Cause order to the judge.. after all, if we just report that Take Two/Blank Rome had filed a Show Cause order (as I put in, with no POV Leanings earlier in the article), and the judge deferred, as he had recused himself from the case due to partiality (due to the Florida Bar complaint), that should satisfy both WP:RS AND WP:NPOV, Correct? SirFozzie 22:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I hate this guy. I don't understand why he can't just leave us gamers alone and go mind his own business. I even bought the toilet paper with his name printed on it on the internet! If he dosen't like the video game industry, that's his own problem, but he shouldn't ruin millions of other gamers time by starting these stupid petitions and a whole bunch of other legal crap just because he dosen't like the game. He is not worthy of gracing Wikipedia with his poisonous presence.
It's rather hard to read through the litigation section, could we break it down into cases with sub-headers: James v. Meow Media (Paducah), Lynch, Tennessee, Devin Moore, Best Buy "sting", Bully lawsuits, and Cody Posey? Or even move the case files to new wiki entries, such as with James v. Meow Media? Jabrwock 20:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
This article is in my opinion too big. I think all the video game stuff should be placed in a seperate article, and a summary included here instead. Andersa 08:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I know I know, not reliable. But it's a heads up. Judge Friedman reclused himself from ruling whether JT was in contempt, apparently due to the fact that he had filed his own Florida Bar complaint against JT. JT grabbed by 4 police officers when he refuses to stop holding up a large posterboard in court. Destructoid will have the videotape of the event posted later. Presumably Take Two will ask the next judge to continue with the contempt ruling. Jabrwock 21:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Letter he sent to retailers I hope some major media prints this. It's rediculous. He tries to argue that a homosexual kissing falls under various statutes in Florida, all of which deal with pornography, and so he can legally ban Bully from being sold to minors. Jabrwock 14:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
For the record, there is no gay sex. Just kissing. There's also kissing of girls. Gasp, shock, awe. Isn't it odd how he only finds the male stuff bad? 66.222.181.28 22:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
And broke it down into four sections,
What do you guys think? SirFozzie 22:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I like it, it's easier to read now. That section was too long before, it wasn't clear how it broke down. Jabrwock 21:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
If so, is there anything that should be added to the article? -- Maxamegalon2000 22:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe it quotes him as being a Zappa fan (I guess he just wants to sue the pants off anyone who would provide Zappa to children...). He also apparently still makes a living off medical malpractice suits. Jabrwock 22:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Just read the article at B&N. Sad news is that there really isn't anything new except what's already been on GP and on Wikipedia. Same old 2 Live Crew story and about his lawsuits, plus a quote from Doug. The one thing that caught my eye were the last 4-5 paragraphs about his son. Someone at GP already sumed it up. But as a whole I'm not sure if there's anything worth adding to WP. KungFu-tse 00:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Currently there's brief mention of his involvement with Howard Stern being taken off air in the 'Other Activities' secition. This might be slightly expanded upon (such as exact involvement, others involved, and details such as specific racist comments aired on the HS show that JT reported to the FCC), as well as mention of previous action taken against other shock jocks many years prior to that. That's some interesting background info. Efrafra 04:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Please don't think I'm trying to root for JT in suggesting this. It just seems that the most interest taken in this article is by those who think he's evil/loony and thus has a lot of emotional investment. As Vercalos rightly implied, the Holocaust could invoke violent feelings in people, but the purpose of Wikipedia is supposed to be informative rather than affected by opinion, emotion, or agenda (even in "Controversy" sections).
Since this is a biographical entry, I wonder why there seem to actually be more [negative] quotes made about JT by others than specific details about the various litigations-- the latter of which would make sense to detail more in the light of how they affected courts and the connection with other cases. Not to say this is not a well-written article. While I did see a few quotes from JT himself, there isn't a lot of representation of 'the other side' of the story. Censorship makes everyone get fired up and while I'm definitely not in favor of censoring everything (and thus, the topic makes me antsy) I think that sometimes we get fired up before actually considering the details of a given litigation or the object of the complaint objectively-- perhaps we care more about blocking censorship than considering/examining the individual cases. I'm always amazed when I realize that I've made a hard judgement on something without actually knowing about it. In the same way that JT wasn't smart to denounce the [albeit WEIRD] Left Behind game without actually checking it out first hand, I wonder why I was so quick to think he should've left 2 Live Crew alone until actually stopping to actually objectively consider the lyrics my 11 year old male classmates were yelling at the girls. Just saying--there's more to the value of having this entry than for the reference of seriously annoyed gamers, although that's the most recent issue. JT may be over the top, but a more balanced entry will be of more use to the public. Efrafra 04:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
agreed too, and i see that somone mentiond the halocaust earlier too, i beleve that hitler is portrayed as a bad guy by what he did and i dont see anybody trying to sugar coat his actions, JT may not be as bad but he should still be shown as the person he makes himself out to be (an asshat). because i see very few redeeming qualitys on either of these men.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.38.36.49 ( talk • contribs).
Why was Jack's photo removed? Even if it was a copyrighted image, given that it was being used to illustrate, y'know, what he looks like, and for no other reason, wouldn't that fair CLEARLY under fair use? Fieari 18:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
T, under pressure from cops, eyes way to kill vile ad Boston Herald, Nov 21, 2006
Jack Thompson, a Florida-based lawyer who battles violent video games across the country, said the MBTA is prohibited from promoting violent and sexually exploitative material. “It is utter nonsense for the MBTA to suggest the First Amendment somehow prohibits it from not participating in a criminal conspiracy,” Thompson wrote to Grabauskas yesterday. “What’s next? Bus ads for crack cocaine?” Jabrwock 17:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure this could be used a source, so I'm not adding it myself. The April 7 entry mentions Jack Thompson stating his opinion on the lawsuit involving five girls who hung mario blocks around town. In my opinion, somebody more knowing should add this particular incident to the article. 69.130.136.214 21:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I was just reading through the archive and noticed that some of JBT's more... colorful remarks regarding the Muslim religion had found a decent source (the Sun Sentinel), but were not included in the main article. Now I'll admit to being already pretty biased against Thompson, so please tell me if you think this shouldn't be included, but I thought it might do well in the "Other public commentary" section. Something like, "In an interview on the XXth of XXX, Thompson said the following-". Thoughts? -- 64.218.89.103 15:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Anyone catch Nightline last night? The text article as well as the video is up.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2722827&page=1
KungFu-tse 15:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Made slashdot and a lot of gaming sites, that Thompson sent a [ Letter to Bill Gates] about Grand Theft Auto 4 (which apparently won't even be out until October 07), trying to get Microsoft to either MAKE Rockstar pull the title, or do.. something (I refuse to try to think like him, it'd make my head explode).. and requests that Microsoft's lawyers get in touch with him to help prevent GTA IV being sold to minors. Trying to find something about it from something that will pass the WP:RS bar that's been set for this article. That's probably why the article has been hit several times the last couple days, as the kids are riled up. SirFozzie 23:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Glancing over, the article looks good, and the things that made it fail last time don't seem to be an issue that we need to worry about now. It needs a more thorough lead and could benefit from a picture, but otherwise it seems to be in good shape. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 08:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I've always been unsure about using industry sources that quote Thompson directly. While I certainly believe that they wouldn't misquote him, I still think that if it's the only source the content may not be as notable. In the case of The Inquirer, I'm worried about the fact that, according to the Wikipedia article, "The INQUIRER's articles are written in a subjective and opinionated tone, with much the same style of reporting common in British tabloid newspapers." -- Maxamegalon2000 17:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Cept for one thing: how often does ol' Jack use real references? I don't think it makes that that much of a difference misquoting something that was wrong in the first place Midgitboy 16:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't say for certain whether or not he uses real references; they may have some basis in reality, but I think there might be a consensus that the information he presents is sensationalized. That having been said, it's important that if we quote him, we do so correctly, regardless of whether or not his quotes have any truth or merit. If they do, good for us; if not, then his quote could still be used, but with further research done on the matter that he is quoting to illustrate that what he said is exaggerated or incorrect. Hopefully, this can be done in a way that demonstrates his character, but does not seek to create bias. -- PeanutCheeseBar 20:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I just agree with EGM (electronic gaming monthly) He's just an angry old man yelling at the kids to get off his lawn. He just doesnt like gamers, maybe he got it handed to him playing pong or something. Anyways, In my opinion, it's a load of bull. I've played violent games since I was about five or six. First games I ever remember beating were Mortal Kombat, DOOM and Aladdin :P Anyways, I'm not a violent psychopath, I may hate people, but I won't kill them because I played a virtual "killing simulator" about saving the earth from demons from Hell. Midgitboy 16:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Why nobody added notice about a satyrical joke-game dedicated to mr. Thompson called "I'm ok"?
It should be added.
http://www.imokgame.com/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.23.207.129 ( talk) 14:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
It has been noted on the article A Modest Video Game Proposal which there is a link to in this article. - Ryanbomber 16:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Could someone find a source for this: "Jack Thompson mistakenly said Microsoft was selling crack, when he heard about the Xbox 360 video game Crackdown, because he did not know it was a game. Ironically, Crackdown was designed by David Jones, who also designed the original Grand Theft Auto."—Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiMan78 ( talk • contribs)
sweet Christ, does Jack EVER give up? Jack, if you are reading this, RESEARCH the games that you try to ban before you ban them. Microsoft doesnt need to sell crack, bill gates wipes his butt with $100.00 bills anyways. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.200.98.184 ( talk • contribs).
Could someone please confirm that the following statement:
Nevertheless, a command that could be entered into the in-game console in order to disable the blur effect was removed from the game in an expansion. No official reason was given for the change.
is in fact true. My sister (who owns the first three expansions) claims the command still exists (although was apparently changed to accept a parameter as the size of the blur effect (though by setting the size to zero the effect can be achieved)). 24.18.253.28 22:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't matter, they're still equipped like Ken dolls. Never stopped Jack, though, did it?-- Viridis 04:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I referenced this article in one of my rants: The Truth about Jack Thompson. If this line is changed at any time (other than vandalism), can someone email me (e-mail address removed) to let me know so I can make the necessary adjustments to my rant? Thanks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by VoodooKobra ( talk • contribs)
Alright, looks like I won't get to be lazy :P Kobra 15:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any legitimate reason why GamePolitics is not considered a "valid source"? Dlong 00:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I heartily recommend that participants in this discussion begin by reading the archives of this talk page first. After the intervention by WP:OFFICE, only mainstream and highly reputable sources have been used in this article. This has significantly increased the quality of the article, as well as kept the most minor incidents from being included and making the article too long and unwieldy. As for GamePolitics.com, a site I personally visit every day and generally trust, the site maintains a pro-gaming bias that would threaten the neutrality of this article. After all, the site is owned by the Entertainment Consumers Association, and Dennis McCauley did file a complaint against Thompson with the Florida Bar.
To argue for the inclusion of GamePolitics.com as a source, one would need to argue that it does not contain bias, and that the information used is sufficiently notable to merit inclusion, especially considering the current quality of sourcing. Of course, I am not the final arbitor, nor do I have any special authority. User:Michael Snow was appointed by WikiMedia's legal council to maintain the quality of this article, and I simply try to maintain its quality to his standards. Feel free to invite him to participate in this discussion here if you wish. -- Maxamegalon2000 03:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately Maxamegalon2000, you shoot down anything from ANY gaming-related website due to either "bias" or "lack of notability", and it only serves to degrade the quality of the article. Material critical of Thompson has been posted here and on several other websites (be it by Penny Arcade, VGCats, GamePolitics, etc.) and Thompson has threatened each of those entities if they did not take down the material. The end result is that they did not cave in to Jack's baseless and empty threats, and Wikipedia has, resulting in an article that is inherently biased towards Thompson, and compromises the integrity of Wikipedia as a whole. Furthermore, it only encourages people like Thompson to think that they can continue to "rattle their sabers" and bully entities like Wikipedia just because someone gave in at least once. Continuing to deny sites like GamePolitics will only help to further Thompson's pro-censorship agenda, and harm Wikipedia. -- PeanutCheeseBar 17:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I think you guys are misusing bias as a complaint here. Bias is a valid complaint when you're talking about someone's opinion being good, but does not effect whether a fact a publication reports is true or not. If Gamepolitics.com lies that's another matter and does invalidate them as a factual source, but that's not a bias issue. Derekloffin 00:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Man, Derek, you stole what I was going to say. Gamepolitics is fine as long as we source them for JUST facts. Biased or not, facts can't really be changed. NPOV means nothing when something is just plain bad. - Ryanbomber 16:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The idea that Gamepolitics isn't a reliable source doesn't make sense. JT has become heavily intertwined with the exact subject that Gamepolitics covers. Who could possibly have better qualifications to report news on the Thompson's dealings in the video game industry than a site dedicated to reporting news on the video game industry? - Charagon