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Former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn's ally Jack Lang, has been accused of an orgy with little boys in Morocco. He is a friend of Jeffery Epstein publicly supported the 1977 movement against an age of consent in French and the decriminalization of rape in France. [1] [2]
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Why is he called Jack Lang? (and not 'Jacques'?) Does he have anglo saxon origins?
Let us hope that Jack Lang is appointed leader of the French Socialist party and replaces Sarkozy as President. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.99.62.114 ( talk) 10:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
The paragraphy on 'Controversies concerning sexuality' needs better sources than an article from 'The Irish Catholic' (whose point of view is not what you would call neutral) and the website of an obscure association (with alleged links to French extreme-right). References from established newspapers would be better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.126.123.135 ( talk) 06:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I don't understand this article about Jack Lang. In France, he's not known for the "controversies concerning sexuality", but for being a Minister of culture. One of the two greatet Ministers of Culture in France (the other is André Malraux).
Here, you (=people in a general way) characterize him as s.o. working for President Nicolas Sarkozy, and for the 'Controversies concerning sexuality'. And... How do you know he's jew? -- Sorcierbob ( talk) 12:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I deleted your 'raised as a Jew' because it's not in the source you cite and neither is that source a reliable source. In general WP:BLP has two tests for citing ethnicity and religious affiliation 1 the subject must have publicly identified with the ethnicity or affiliation 2 it's notable for the subject. Neither appears to be true for Jack Lang on internet RS at any rate. I ask you to respect community policy and not to include content about his alleged Jewishness unless you have multiple RS you can cite. I am copying this to his talk page with your source and addressing your IP. Thank you. FightingMac ( talk) 13:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I find it disturbing that there are interests that want personal information concerning religion and sexual orientation suppressed. This may not be the work of the subjects of the articles or their supporters – there are many in France who believe that everyone has a strong right to “privacy”. I noted that on the Dominique Strauss Kahn Wiki page in French, at the time of the outbreak of the scandal in May 2011, the article about him in English and other languages contained more information about his religious and sexual ways than that in French. Now I see that even the article in English for Jack Lang is getting hit.
As regards whether mention should or should not be made of his family origins, there is a more complete and erudite discussion on the same topic on the Dominique Strauss Kahn Wikipedia pages.
It’ll be just a question of time before more information is made available here on Jack Lang.
cckkab (
talk) 12:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Malick78
I see you've restored the section 'Contoversies concerning sexuality' I had translated from French section and which I subsequently blanked.
I shan't revert you but I want to make it clear that I don't support you in restoring it. It was not just that the corresponding section had been blanked in the French article but also because Luc Ferry's recent remarks had been, unwarrantedly it seems, interpreted as referring to Lang. In those circumstances it seemed right to me to delete the section and indeed I don't support its restoration.
Thank you. FightingMac ( talk) 22:30, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I changed to "died". "Killed" would be acceptable if there is evidence, but although there were claims in the post-war period that Ravensbruck had a gas chamber, nowhere is that claimed today. Certainly not in the relevant Wikipedia article. For all camps where gassing is claimed, it did not happen as late as 1945. She probably died in the catastrophic conditions of epidemic and starvation that swept the camps in 1945. Channelwatcher ( talk) 18:11, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
The article says his paternal side was Jewish. I don't know whether this is enough to put him in the category:French Jews or not, since usually only maternal side counts for being a Jew.-- Carnby ( talk) 14:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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Former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn's ally Jack Lang, has been accused of an orgy with little boys in Morocco. He is a friend of Jeffery Epstein publicly supported the 1977 movement against an age of consent in French and the decriminalization of rape in France. [1] [2]
References
Why is he called Jack Lang? (and not 'Jacques'?) Does he have anglo saxon origins?
Let us hope that Jack Lang is appointed leader of the French Socialist party and replaces Sarkozy as President. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.99.62.114 ( talk) 10:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
The paragraphy on 'Controversies concerning sexuality' needs better sources than an article from 'The Irish Catholic' (whose point of view is not what you would call neutral) and the website of an obscure association (with alleged links to French extreme-right). References from established newspapers would be better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.126.123.135 ( talk) 06:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I don't understand this article about Jack Lang. In France, he's not known for the "controversies concerning sexuality", but for being a Minister of culture. One of the two greatet Ministers of Culture in France (the other is André Malraux).
Here, you (=people in a general way) characterize him as s.o. working for President Nicolas Sarkozy, and for the 'Controversies concerning sexuality'. And... How do you know he's jew? -- Sorcierbob ( talk) 12:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I deleted your 'raised as a Jew' because it's not in the source you cite and neither is that source a reliable source. In general WP:BLP has two tests for citing ethnicity and religious affiliation 1 the subject must have publicly identified with the ethnicity or affiliation 2 it's notable for the subject. Neither appears to be true for Jack Lang on internet RS at any rate. I ask you to respect community policy and not to include content about his alleged Jewishness unless you have multiple RS you can cite. I am copying this to his talk page with your source and addressing your IP. Thank you. FightingMac ( talk) 13:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I find it disturbing that there are interests that want personal information concerning religion and sexual orientation suppressed. This may not be the work of the subjects of the articles or their supporters – there are many in France who believe that everyone has a strong right to “privacy”. I noted that on the Dominique Strauss Kahn Wiki page in French, at the time of the outbreak of the scandal in May 2011, the article about him in English and other languages contained more information about his religious and sexual ways than that in French. Now I see that even the article in English for Jack Lang is getting hit.
As regards whether mention should or should not be made of his family origins, there is a more complete and erudite discussion on the same topic on the Dominique Strauss Kahn Wikipedia pages.
It’ll be just a question of time before more information is made available here on Jack Lang.
cckkab (
talk) 12:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Malick78
I see you've restored the section 'Contoversies concerning sexuality' I had translated from French section and which I subsequently blanked.
I shan't revert you but I want to make it clear that I don't support you in restoring it. It was not just that the corresponding section had been blanked in the French article but also because Luc Ferry's recent remarks had been, unwarrantedly it seems, interpreted as referring to Lang. In those circumstances it seemed right to me to delete the section and indeed I don't support its restoration.
Thank you. FightingMac ( talk) 22:30, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I changed to "died". "Killed" would be acceptable if there is evidence, but although there were claims in the post-war period that Ravensbruck had a gas chamber, nowhere is that claimed today. Certainly not in the relevant Wikipedia article. For all camps where gassing is claimed, it did not happen as late as 1945. She probably died in the catastrophic conditions of epidemic and starvation that swept the camps in 1945. Channelwatcher ( talk) 18:11, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
The article says his paternal side was Jewish. I don't know whether this is enough to put him in the category:French Jews or not, since usually only maternal side counts for being a Jew.-- Carnby ( talk) 14:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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comment: User:Frank6292010 is engaged in a edit war with me,
1)he has now deleted comments on his talk page twice without responding when I left him messages regarding the matter
2) he has not made any talk here at the talk page where I have posted about the matter several days ago (at the top of this talk page), and gone straight to undoing my edits
3) I even gave him the sources and shown both sources were greenlighted at
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources and he has not made a single effort to even look at the content at hand